Motor Trend vid: GT-R NISMO vs Z06

[r0tor]

So how did GM miss this???

Time and/or money would be the logical GM answer to everything that is wrong with the car...

[r0tor]

This is just your high n mighty way of acknowledging you have nothing to add, but still wanting to put your two cents in anyway. Well hear hear, you have been acknowledged as you wish.

Dude works for Bilstein... Expert at everything and needs to not speak

[hotrodalex]

still so salty 'bout the 6.2L whuppin ^^

[r0tor]

Nope pretty sure this is the second thread in a week with the infamous small block Chevy getting killed by a TTV6

[GoCougs]

still so salty 'bout the 6.2L whuppin ^^

Silverado vs. F150? That went very poorly for r0tor (esp. torque vs. hp).

[r0tor]

Everyone knows I obliterated you in that thread... Keep on drinking that delusional juice

[Raza]

Said supercars aren't as fast as the GT-R while still costing more. Are those a failure as well?

Yes.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

In the April edition of Car And Driver the Z06 takes first place over the Nismo AND 911 Turbo (the GT3 they were suppose to test was wrecked). All testing was done on canyon roads though.

[hotrodalex]

(the GT3 they were suppose to test was wrecked)

Nice

[FlatBlackCaddy]

In the April edition of Car And Driver the Z06 takes first place over the Nismo AND 911 Turbo (the GT3 they were suppose to test was wrecked). All testing was done on canyon roads though.

Sounds like someone throwing GM a bone. 

[r0tor]

Sounds like someone throwing GM a bone. 

Corvette won because the 911 was given an 18 point deficit from price.

Seriously though, its time GM comes clean with its HP rating.  The 911 weighs 60lbs more, has 90 less HP, and 136 less lbft.... Yet...

- 911 demolishes the Vette in the 1/4 mile by .9 sec and more importantly by 5 MPH
- 911 destroys the Vette to 150 MPH by 3 sec!!!

Hell, even the 360 lb heavier GT-R spanked the Vette in every performance measurement.

The Vette is making 550hp tops.  End of story.  Begin the class action lawsuit.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Corvette won because the 911 was given an 18 point deficit from price.

Seriously though, its time GM comes clean with its HP rating.  The 911 weighs 60lbs more, has 90 less HP, and 136 less lbft.... Yet...

- 911 demolishes the Vette in the 1/4 mile by .9 sec and more importantly by 5 MPH
- 911 destroys the Vette to 150 MPH by 3 sec!!!

Hell, even the 360 lb heavier GT-R spanked the Vette in every performance measurement.

The Vette is making 550hp tops.  End of story.  Begin the class action lawsuit.

Have you forgotten both of those cars have AWD putting the power to the ground. And in the article C&D says the 911 is the better car but at 190K it's not TWICE as good as the Z06. They even said to top the performance of the Z06 GM is gonna have to go mid engine!

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I can only imagine the amount of problems gm would have releasing an all new ground up mid engined supercar. Something i believe they have zero experience with.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Still would love to see them make one though. Got to dive in sometime, and I'm sure after a gen or two it will be a legitimate supercar contender.

[r0tor]

Have you forgotten both of those cars have AWD putting the power to the ground. And in the article C&D says the 911 is the better car but at 190K it's not TWICE as good as the Z06. They even said to top the performance of the Z06 GM is gonna have to go mid engine!

Trap speeds don't lie.... They also don't care about fwd, AWD, or rwd.

  Hell the C6 posts the same trap speeds with 100hp less.  It is what it is.

[12,000 RPM]

Corvette won because the 911 was given an 18 point deficit from price.

Seriously though, its time GM comes clean with its HP rating.  The 911 weighs 60lbs more, has 90 less HP, and 136 less lbft.... Yet...

- 911 demolishes the Vette in the 1/4 mile by .9 sec and more importantly by 5 MPH
- 911 destroys the Vette to 150 MPH by 3 sec!!!

Hell, even the 360 lb heavier GT-R spanked the Vette in every performance measurement.

The Vette is making 550hp tops.  End of story.  Begin the class action lawsuit.

Trap speed is a legit point but lets not act like AWD + DSG isn't faster from a dig than RWD + stickshift

Is this article online yet?

And lets also not forget the GT-R and 911 are like 1.5-2x the price

If it were a problem with power Joe HELOC would have turned it up with dyno testing. Its the aero

[r0tor]

Trap speed is a legit point but lets not act like AWD + DSG isn't faster from a dig than RWD + stickshift

Is this article online yet?

And lets also not forget the GT-R and 911 are like 1.5-2x the price

If it were a problem with power Joe HELOC would have turned it up with dyno testing. Its the aero

For gods sake - its slower then the 2012 Z06... A couple tenths in the .25mile, a mph slower trap, almost a full sec slower to 150.

[hotrodalex]

Sporty, make that AWD + DSG + rear engined. Turbo S has always been a quarter mile master.

[GoCougs]

Trap speed is a legit point but lets not act like AWD + DSG isn't faster from a dig than RWD + stickshift

Is this article online yet?

And lets also not forget the GT-R and 911 are like 1.5-2x the price

If it were a problem with power Joe HELOC would have turned it up with dyno testing. Its the aero

r0tor is whack. The C7 Z06 is ~400 lbs heavier than the C6 Z06 and puts up better acceleration numbers than the C6 ZR1 (albeit not by tons).

My hunch is their internal testing showed with today's tech this is about as far as they can take a front engine/RWD street car at any price. No other such car comes close in overall performance. The $400k Ferrari F12 is a bit quicker but gets eaten in the curves (can't even beat a lowly Z51).

[r0tor]

No, its slower than the C6 Z06 and ZR1 by a large margin.

[GoCougs]

Nah, the C7 Z06 is well out in front 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile (albeit this is the 8AT but the only car I could find that C&D tested). 0-150 and top speed suffer which is due to aero.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Partial article here on page 3

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/3613769-just-got-the-april-car-and-driver-in-the-mail-3.html

[GoCougs]

Woah, just saw that - 93 mph in 2nd gear? Jesus. And lol at those braking and handling numbers...

I'm not sure the hate. With the M/T the C7 Z06 is right on par with the C6 ZR1 for lower speed acceleration despite significantly more aero (that cuts top speed by ~20 mph).

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Looking at the charts from c and d, it looks like one contributing factor seems to be the higher torque peak and lower hp peak, assuming a narrower peak power range, compared to the porsche and nissan tt v6s.

[r0tor]

Nah, the C7 Z06 is well out in front 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile (albeit this is the 8AT but the only car I could find that C&D tested). 0-150 and top speed suffer which is due to aero.

Compare these latest times to the C&D ZR-1 and 2012 Z06 tests, and the C7 is slower everywhere.  Take off the fanboy glasses, that car makes no where near 650 HP. All it has is more grip off the line from the pilot sport cup 2 tires.

C7 Z06 ... 11.5@125 , 17.9 sec 0-150
C6 Z06 ... 11.6 @126,  17.0 sec 0-150
C6 ZR-1 ... 11.6 @128, 16.8 sec 0-150

Let's see where the HP is at...
C7 z06 100-150... 10.4 sec
C6 z06 100-150... 9.4 sec
C6 ZR1 100-150... 9.1 sec

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Trap speed is a legit point but lets not act like AWD + DSG isn't faster from a dig than RWD + stickshift

Is this article online yet?

And lets also not forget the GT-R and 911 are like 1.5-2x the price

If it were a problem with power Joe HELOC would have turned it up with dyno testing. Its the aero

I'll be glad when someone test a NON Z07 A8 Z06! I'm sure the straight line numbers will improve!

[r0tor]

If the NASCAR disaster rear spoiler is causing 100hp worth of drag, then its time for GM to go back to the drawing board and not use a similar design of spoiler that NASCAR uses to actually slow down the field and create better drafting effects.

[hotrodalex]

You want to see HP?

Look at the 30-50 and 50-70 times. /jawdrop

C6 Z06



C6 ZR1



See Cougs' post for C7 Z06.

You can also look at the 5-60 times, where traction shouldn't be an issue. C7 Z06 stomps both older cars.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

13.9 and 10.8 per the recent C&D article

[FlatBlackCaddy]

5-60 is 4.0 seconds, per the recent C&D article.