Motor Trend vid: GT-R NISMO vs Z06

[FlatBlackCaddy]

[MX793]

You want to see HP?

Look at the 30-50 and 50-70 times. /jawdrop

C6 Z06



C6 ZR1



See Cougs' post for C7 Z06.

You can also look at the 5-60 times, where traction shouldn't be an issue. C7 Z06 stomps both older cars.

Automatics are allowed to downshift during a top gear 30-50 and 50-70 test.  You can't compare autos and manuals in that test.

[hotrodalex]

Automatics are allowed to downshift during a top gear 30-50 and 50-70 test.  You can't compare autos and manuals in that test.

Well that's a silly thing to do.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

You can't stop it, you mash the gas at 30 and what happens happens.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

5-60 is still a good measure though

[FlatBlackCaddy]

As for the recent C&D comparo, I was intrigued(as others on the Corvette forum were) about the total lack of track times.

Personally, I think that speaks volumes about what one could assume was the outcome. I think it's cowardly and they should have just posted the numbers.

It reminds me of that guy that talks shit and then when you drag race(and he's losing) he turns off on a side street before the next light.

[CALL_911]

Well that's a silly thing to do.

Not really

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Entire C&D comparo is on page 4 here if anyone wants to read it.

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/3613769-just-got-the-april-car-and-driver-in-the-mail-4.html

[12,000 RPM]

r0tor lol. It's definitely the aero. I couldnt see photos in here but I looked up the C6 vs C7 Z06 C&D test results. C7 Z06 has a lower top speed and is slower from 150, but is faster through the quarter and at speeds under ~130. Its also pulling 1.2gs. Im guessing the aero is very effective... TOO effective.

[GoCougs]

Compare these latest times to the C&D ZR-1 and 2012 Z06 tests, and the C7 is slower everywhere.  Take off the fanboy glasses, that car makes no where near 650 HP. All it has is more grip off the line from the pilot sport cup 2 tires.

C7 Z06 ... 11.5@125 , 17.9 sec 0-150
C6 Z06 ... 11.6 @126,  17.0 sec 0-150
C6 ZR-1 ... 11.6 @128, 16.8 sec 0-150

Let's see where the HP is at...
C7 z06 100-150... 10.4 sec
C6 z06 100-150... 9.4 sec
C6 ZR1 100-150... 9.1 sec

Tires? Nah, the cars are geared so high (~60 mph in 1st, ~90 mph in 2nd) and tires so huge (335) traction isn't a huge problem. Also look at the 5-60 times.

The C7 Z06 is as fast as it should be.

[r0tor]

r0tor lol. It's definitely the aero. I couldnt see photos in here but I looked up the C6 vs C7 Z06 C&D test results. C7 Z06 has a lower top speed and is slower from 150, but is faster through the quarter and at speeds under ~130. Its also pulling 1.2gs. Im guessing the aero is very effective... TOO effective.

Right... aero even makes it slower 5-60...

...and you realize what speeds the skidpad numbers are pulled from?

And you also realize the C7 should be not marginally faster, but significantly faster with >100hp more?

[r0tor]

The C7 Z06 is as fast as it should be.

Then why does it continually get its ass kicked by heavier, less powerful cars?

[Eye of the Tiger]

Then why does it continually get its ass kicked by heavier, less powerful cars?

Leaf springs.

[r0tor]

Leaf springs.

Its towing Nissan leafs on springs?

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Then why does it continually get its ass kicked by heavier, less powerful cars?

You act like it lost to a V6 Camry! It's losing (to the GTR on the track. No word on if the 911 is faster) because of the reasons we stated earlier. The Quick shifting, AWD cars are a tad bit quicker than the rear drive manually shifted Z06. And both of those cars (that LOST to the Z06 in this comparo) cost 50-100K more!

[r0tor]

Hp is Hp.  Cost is irrelevant to power.  On the Motor Trend compare the Vette got stomped by the GT-R in all forms of acceleration despite being heavier and less powerful.  In the C&D comparo it again gets its ass handed by 2 cars with much less power and more weight.  Compared with older less powerful better, it again loses.

Its not making 650hp.  Simple story.

[hotrodalex]

You don't have a damn clue what you're talking about.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1095816_another-c7-z06-hits-the-dyno-and-posts-strong-power-numbers-video

[FlatBlackCaddy]

You act like it lost to a V6 Camry! It's losing (to the GTR on the track. No word on if the 911 is faster) because of the reasons we stated earlier. The Quick shifting, AWD cars are a tad bit quicker than the rear drive manually shifted Z06. And both of those cars (that LOST to the Z06 in this comparo) cost 50-100K more!

You saw the c&d article and the numbers the 911 turbo put down. You really have to wonder if the porsche would be faster than the vette on a track?

[hotrodalex]

You saw the c&d article and the numbers the 911 turbo put down. You really have to wonder if the porsche would be faster than the vette on a track?

Corvette has it beat in the slalom, skidpad, and braking. I think it would depend on the track. The OP track would favor the 911.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

You saw the c&d article and the numbers the 911 turbo put down. You really have to wonder if the porsche would be faster than the vette on a track?

I'm sure it would be stellar but did you see the numbers the Vette put up handling wise? C&D said "The painted lines aren't this glued to the road!"

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I guess its simple math to me.

In a recent timed track comparison the corvette lost to the nismo gtr, the porsche 911 tt is faster than a nismo gtr.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Video of an A8 Z06 with Stage 1 Aero Package. OP compares his numbers to 911 TT numbers also.
http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/3614830-z06-a8-0-150-mph.html

[GoCougs]

Hp is Hp.  Cost is irrelevant to power.  On the Motor Trend compare the Vette got stomped by the GT-R in all forms of acceleration despite being heavier and less powerful.  In the C&D comparo it again gets its ass handed by 2 cars with much less power and more weight.  Compared with older less powerful better, it again loses.

Its not making 650hp.  Simple story.

I'm not sure what the issue is with you when it comes to torque and horsepower. Seems to be a common theme. I already gave you shades of what was going on by reminding you the C7 Z06 is geared extremely high. Using the GTR as an example, literally 1st gear is almost twice as steep - 15.02:1 vs. 7.8:1.

True the GTR has more losses through the AWD and it weighs ~10% more but those aren't big factors in the face of significantly steeper gearing. Also remember both the GTR and 911T have violent and extremely effective launch control and AWD - worth ~0.5 sec in the 1/4. Z06 has no such aids.

[12,000 RPM]

Yah Vette has 2 ~0.5 sec shifts. Streets need that non Z07 auto test to happen. Chassis dynos indicate power is not at all the problem.

Im pretty sure they do multiple runs too.

[Tave]

I'm not sure what the issue is with you when it comes to torque and horsepower. Seems to be a common theme. I already gave you shades of what was going on by reminding you the C7 Z06 is geared extremely high. Using the GTR as an example, literally 1st gear is almost twice as steep - 15.02:1 vs. 7.8:1.

True the GTR has more losses through the AWD and it weighs ~10% more but those aren't big factors in the face of significantly steeper gearing. Also remember both the GTR and 911T have violent and extremely effective launch control and AWD - worth ~0.5 sec in the 1/4. Z06 has no such aids.

Why did they gear it so high? It's not like they were hurting for ratios.

[FoMoJo]

Why did they gear it so high? It's not like they were hurting for ratios.

So that the fat old guys who drive them wouldn't lose their belly contents if they accidently had a foot spasm?

[r0tor]

You don't have a damn clue what you're talking about.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1095816_another-c7-z06-hits-the-dyno-and-posts-strong-power-numbers-video

Yippee.... Chassis dyno numbers... because those are never wrong or calibrated wrong or have people messing with correction factors

[r0tor]

I'm not sure what the issue is with you when it comes to torque and horsepower. Seems to be a common theme. I already gave you shades of what was going on by reminding you the C7 Z06 is geared extremely high. Using the GTR as an example, literally 1st gear is almost twice as steep - 15.02:1 vs. 7.8:1.

True the GTR has more losses through the AWD and it weighs ~10% more but those aren't big factors in the face of significantly steeper gearing. Also remember both the GTR and 911T have violent and extremely effective launch control and AWD - worth ~0.5 sec in the 1/4. Z06 has no such aids.

So what your saying is they geared their sports car wayyyyy too long and then saddled it with a terribly high drag aero package, and then threw in an undersized cooling system

Was this car engineered by infants?

And anyway, I haven't been focusing on ET because AWD does have an advantage.  I'm focused on trap speeds which are the best indicator of how much power is being made - and the Vette is trapping like a 550hp car.

[12,000 RPM]

Viper makes 650HP, weighs less, goes about the same as the Z06

Last ZR1 trapped a hair higher

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2013-srt-viper-gts-vs-2013-corvette-zr12013-srt-viper-gts-and-2013-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-comparo.pdf

Pretty obvious what's happening.... AWD/DSG cars trap higher because they have 0ms shifts and quicker hole shots, and the Z07 has a lot more drag

Chevy focused their efforts on max grip for the Z07. When they test an auto non-aero Z06 I bet it will be a lot "faster".

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Viper makes 650HP, weighs less, goes about the same as the Z06

Last ZR1 trapped a hair higher

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2013-srt-viper-gts-vs-2013-corvette-zr12013-srt-viper-gts-and-2013-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-comparo.pdf

Pretty obvious what's happening.... AWD/DSG cars trap higher because they have 0ms shifts and quicker hole shots, and the Z07 has a lot more drag

Chevy focused their efforts on max grip for the Z07. When they test an auto non-aero Z06 I bet it will be a lot "faster".

i put a video up of a A8 Stage 1 doing a 0-150 run and it was faster than the manual Z07 car. We will see what happens when the magazines get one!