Motor Trend vid: GT-R NISMO vs Z06

[Eye of the Tiger]

EcoBoost has been a failure and I remain unconvinced putting a V6 into a $400k is gonna fix that.

Such FAIL. More F1 wins than any other manufacturer, but totally a fail engine idea.

[GoCougs]

No reason that it can't be.  If they want to market it as something that can be competitive with supercars, they need to make it one.

An $80k that competes with super cars? GM wholly enjoys your premise .

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

There will be no GM supercar...ever.

It's already in the works. And the word is there will continue to be a FR Corvette along side the MR (ZR1?) version.

[SVT666]

It's already in the works. And the word is there will continue to be a FR Corvette along side the MR (ZR1?) version.

That's been the rumour for 40 years.  I'll believe it when I see it.

[r0tor]

An $80k that competes with super cars? GM wholly enjoys your premise .

Until they sneak in the fact that its cooling system won't handle track days, launch control blows, it gets man handled by cars with 20% less power, and a pro driver took off their aero package to try and go quicker...

[r0tor]

Yes

But how much compared tot he Z07?



Z07 makes more downforce than any car GM has made before and the Z28 makes 440 (dont know at what speed). GT2RS makes 350 at 200 and significantly narrower in profile (~5"). GT2 grips to 1.07g while Z07 grips to 1.19-1.2. So I dont think it's unreasonable to say Z07 is making a shit ton more downforce (and by extension drag) than the GT2RS and pretty much any other car up against it. Again Z07 is the aero track package, regular one will be faster in a straight line.

The head GM project engineered said it is not possible to measure and quote down force figures.  Obviously he must be right and that graph can't exist.

[12,000 RPM]

Z07's performance is in line with or better than other 600HP ~3400lb RWD stickshift cars

Keep winding yourself up though and blow a gasket over a car u will never buy/drive tho

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Z07's performance is in line with or better than other 600HP ~3400lb RWD stickshift cars

Keep winding yourself up though and blow a gasket over a car u will never buy/drive tho

His GM hate has no chill.....

[SVT666]

Z07's performance is in line with or better than other 600HP ~3400lb RWD stickshift cars

Keep winding yourself up though and blow a gasket over a car u will never buy/drive tho

2013 Shelby GT500 (you know, the car Cougs says underperforms)
662 hp
631 lbs-ft
3871 lbs
6 MT
285 rear tires

1/4 mile = 11.6 @ 126 mph


2015 Corvette Z06
650 hp
650 lbs-ft
3533 lbs
7 MT
335 rear tires

1/4 mile = 11.3 @ 126 mph

[12,000 RPM]

2013 Corvette ZR1
638 hp
604 lb-ft
3353 lbs
6MT
335 rears
1/4 mile = 11.6 @ 128

2013 Viper
640 HP
600 lb ft
3356 lb ft
6 MT
335 meats
1/4 mile = 11.5 @ 126

2009 Civic EX
140 HP
127 lb ft
2800 lbs
5 MT
1/4 mile = 16.1 @ 87

[hotrodalex]

2013 Corvette ZR1
638 hp
604 lb-ft
3353 lbs
6MT
335 rears
1/4 mile = 11.6 @ 128

2013 Viper
640 HP
600 lb ft
3356 lb ft
6 MT
335 meats
1/4 mile = 11.5 @ 126

2009 Civic EX
140 HP
127 lb ft
2800 lbs
5 MT
1/4 mile = 16.1 @ 87

LOL

[GoCougs]

Such FAIL. More F1 wins than any other manufacturer, but totally a fail engine idea.

Ferrari does not make a production V6 and you cray if you think without the rules forcing it that the teams would choose that motor over the previous N/A V10.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Ferrari does not make a production V6 and you cray if you think without the rules forcing it that the teams would choose that motor over the previous N/A V10.

Looks like Ford is writing the rules now.

[FoMoJo]

Looks like Ford is writing the rules now.

They always do...when they feel like it.

[GoCougs]

2013 Shelby GT500 (you know, the car Cougs says underperforms)
662 hp
631 lbs-ft
3871 lbs
6 MT
285 rear tires

1/4 mile = 11.6 @ 126 mph

Under performs? Relative to the ZL1, sure;). The GT500 just wasn't a great car as Ford was extremely limited with the S197 chassis - making it quick was all they could do.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I thought the GT500 was faster than the ZL1 camaro.

[SVT666]

I thought the GT500 was faster than the ZL1 camaro.

In a straight line it is. Around a few tracks it is (eg: Laguna Seca), it's neck and neck on most tracks, and gets its ass spanked on the rest.   The one and only real weakness the GT500 had was it's brakes. After a couple laps they started to fade badly and the lap times just got longer and longer.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Ohh yea, I remember reading a review were they stated that the brakes just gave up after so many laps.

[hotrodalex]

That was before huge ceramic brakes were the norm.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

You dont need ceramic brakes for a car to be qble to make it around a track for 20 laps without reaching a danger point.

[Eye of the Tiger]

You dont need ceramic brakes for a car to be qble to make it around a track for 20 laps without reaching a danger point.

You do if they are drums. Ceramic drums.

[GoCougs]

I thought the GT500 was faster than the ZL1 camaro.

Yes, it was quicker but everything else lagged; handling, brakes, ride quality, NVH, etc. Many Ford fanboys assert the two really aren't competitors (same with the Challenger Hellcat), which I'd tend to agree with.

[SVT666]

I have never heard anyone say the GT500 and ZL1 weren't competitors. They were competitors, but the ZL1 is more track focused and the GT500 was more GT focused.

It used to be that Camaro and Mustang were true direct competitors with each model, but today the Camaro and Mustang product lines don't completely match up.

Mustang V6 rental = Camaro V6 rental
Mustang EcoBoost = Camaro RS
Mustang GT = Camaro SS
Shelby GT350R = Camaro Z28

The models with no direct competitors are:
Shelby GT350
Camaro 1LE
Camaro ZL1

[MX793]

I have never heard anyone say the GT500 and ZL1 weren't competitors. They were competitors, but the ZL1 is more track focused and the GT500 was more GT focused.

It used to be that Camaro and Mustang were true direct competitors with each model, but today the Camaro and Mustang product lines don't completely match up.

Mustang V6 rental = Camaro V6 rental
Mustang EcoBoost = Camaro RS
Mustang GT = Camaro SS
Shelby GT350R = Camaro Z28

The models with no direct competitors are:
Shelby GT350
Camaro 1LE
Camaro ZL1

1LE is the equivalent of the Mustang's Performance Pack.  Slightly pricier and more track oriented, but it's ultimately just a wheel/tire/suspension/brake upgrade option package applied to the SS.  It's not really its own trim level or model.

[SVT666]

1LE is the equivalent of the Mustang's Performance Pack.  Slightly pricier and more track oriented, but it's ultimately just a wheel/tire/suspension/brake upgrade option package applied to the SS.  It's not really its own trim level or model.

The 1LE is more of a track pack, whereas the Mustang's Performance Pack is more street oriented and nowhere near as aggressive as the 1LE.

[MX793]

The 1LE is more of a track pack, whereas the Mustang's Performance Pack is more street oriented and nowhere near as aggressive as the 1LE.

They are both $3000-ish optional handling packs boasting a similar set of upgrades.  That Chevy's suspension is a bit stiffer doesn't make them nonequivalent.  It's not like Chevy upgrades more stuff with the 1LE package than Ford does with the performance pack.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

They are both $3000-ish optional handling packs boasting a similar set of upgrades.  That Chevy's suspension is a bit stiffer doesn't make them nonequivalent.  It's not like Chevy upgrades more stuff with the 1LE package than Ford does with the performance pack.

[r0tor]

One package is made for aggressive street driving, the other the track.  So do you compare their performance on the track or street?

[MX793]

One package is made for aggressive street driving, the other the track.  So do you compare their performance on the track or street?

If the standard suspension in the Camaro SS is much stiffer and more track oriented than that of the Mustang GT, does that make the standard models non-comparable?

As a "track package", the 1LE does a better job on the track.  The Mustang is more well-rounded, giving up some on-track performance for comfort on the street.  How you judge them comes down to how you plan to use the car.

[12,000 RPM]

r0tor plans to use them however best shits on GM, which I guess would be on the track, even though he said driving a car on the track in a non competitive way is a waste of time.