Motor Trend vid: GT-R NISMO vs Z06

[SVT666]

If the standard suspension in the Camaro SS is much stiffer and more track oriented than that of the Mustang GT, does that make the standard models non-comparable?

As a "track package", the 1LE does a better job on the track.  The Mustang is more well-rounded, giving up some on-track performance for comfort on the street.  How you judge them comes down to how you plan to use the car.

I would say the Mustang GT with Performance Pack is more inline with the standard Camaro SS.  The standard Mustang GT suspension is really setup for comfort, and the 1LE is a step beyond the Mustang's Performance Pack.  I agree that they essentially compete with one another on price, but their focus is different. 

[r0tor]

r0tor plans to use them however best shits on GM, which I guess would be on the track, even though he said driving a car on the track in a non competitive way is a waste of time.

This hurts 

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

r0tor plans to use them however best shits on GM, which I guess would be on the track, even though he said driving a car on the track in a non competitive way is a waste of time.

I would say the Mustang GT with Performance Pack is more inline with the standard Camaro SS.  The standard Mustang GT suspension is really setup for comfort, and the 1LE is a step beyond the Mustang's Performance Pack.  I agree that they essentially compete with one another on price, but their focus is different. 

In so many word the 1LE out tracks the Track Pack! 

[SVT666]

:golfclap:In so many word the 1LE out tracks the Track Pack! 

It's not a track pack.  It's a "Performance Pack".  The old Stang had a track pack.

[MX793]

I would say the Mustang GT with Performance Pack is more inline with the standard Camaro SS.  The standard Mustang GT suspension is really setup for comfort, and the 1LE is a step beyond the Mustang's Performance Pack.  I agree that they essentially compete with one another on price, but their focus is different. 

Brembo brakes, shorter rearend ratio, additional bracing, up-rated cooling...  That's above and beyond the standard SS's hardware and pretty much matches what GM includes with the 1LE package.

[SVT666]

Brembo brakes, shorter rearend ratio, additional bracing, up-rated cooling...  That's above and beyond the standard SS's hardware and pretty much matches what GM includes with the 1LE package.

And?  The 1LE suspension tuning is far more aggressive and track oriented.  It's got a different focus than the Performance Pack.

[hotrodalex]

My neighbor back home has a 1LE.

[hotrodalex]

I think I'd rather have an F-type R coupe over a Z06.

[Cookie Monster]

I think I'd rather have an F-type R coupe over a Z06.

I'd take whichever F-Type that comes with a stick.

[68_427]

I'd take whichever F-Type that comes with a stick.

V6, which is the best one anyways

[hotrodalex]

V6, which is the best one anyways

Other than price, V8 plz

[12,000 RPM]

V8 sound is the only good thing about the V8. It's too fast and too nose heavy for, for example, a 2 lane backroad. Also they are going to put AWD in the V8s which will put them over 4,000lbs (!!!!!). V6s are better by far for driving enjoyment/engagement. They cut about 400lbs off of comparable XKs but many of those were well over 4,000lbs. ITs too fucking heavy, a 911 has 4 seats and weighs literally 500lbs less than the V6

[68_427]

Actually the base XK coupe weighed 3500lbs.

I actually like the V6 F-Type sound better anyways.

[Rich]

Something I found interesting is the XK Convertible is 10 grand LESS than the Coupe

The F Type 'vert costs more than the coupe

[12,000 RPM]

Actually the base XK coupe weighed 3500lbs.

No wai bro

http://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/xk/specifications/dimensions-weight.html

http://www.edmunds.com/jaguar/xk-series/2002/features-specs.html

[MX793]

Motortrend did a retest with the Z06 on Willow after complaining that they thought there was something wrong with the test car.  Turns out there was.  The rear alignment was off.  GM also did a firmware update on the suspension tuning to add a "rough track" mode which addressed Pobst's complaints that the track mode setting was too harsh on Willow's relatively rough surface.  Lap times increased significantly (though the GT-R was still clocking faster speeds down the straights).  They also got an automatic-equipped car to see if the 8AT might be faster than the 7MT (especially since Pobst had some difficulty engaging 5th gear).  Ambient temperatures were <80F and the auto-equipped car started pulling power after the first hard lap (and continued pulling power and losing some time each successive lap).  That said, both were over a second faster than the original test car.  The 7MT wound up .7s faster than the GT-R and the 8AT was a few hundredths slower.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1503_2015_chevrolet_corvette_z06_track_retest/

[hotrodalex]

So my original diagnosis was correct. Not surprised.

Now GM just needs to fix the damn ECU.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Ahh yes, a "firmware" update for the "suspension" system.

AKA

A hot tune for the ECU to lay down the best track times, engine longevity be damned.

I'll take that information and place it with the other 20lb bags of salt I have in the basement.

[r0tor]

Ahh yes, a "firmware" update for the "suspension" system.

AKA

A hot tune for the ECU to lay down the best track times, engine longevity be damned.

I'll take that information and place it with the other 20lb bags of salt I have in the basement.

This... Absolutely pathetic

[hotrodalex]

lol

[FlatBlackCaddy]

lol

I'd say the same thing if it was nissan "updating" the "suspension".

It's bs, pretty clear bs in fact. Anyone with a rational mind should question it.

[12,000 RPM]

lol

U can cut the hate w/a knife and serve it on toast, so thick, so rich.

I'd say the same thing if it was nissan "updating" the "suspension".

It's bs, pretty clear bs in fact. Anyone with a rational mind should question it.

Are you a 9/11 truther too?

[FlatBlackCaddy]

U can cut the hate w/a knife and serve it on toast, so thick, so rich.
Are you a 9/11 truther too?

I don't confine myself to limited passages of thought by "being" anything.

[r0tor]

I'd say the same thing if it was nissan "updating" the "suspension".

It's bs, pretty clear bs in fact. Anyone with a rational mind should question it.

Exactly

[r0tor]

So my original diagnosis was correct. Not surprised.

Now GM just needs to fix the damn ECU.

How is "fixing the ECU" going to solve the massive cooling issue causing the ecu to pull timing?

[AutobahnSHO]

How is "fixing the ECU" going to solve the massive cooling issue causing the ecu to pull timing?

you turn off the safety switch.  Get a good lap.  then make everyone else keep their safety switch on.

[hotrodalex]

I'd say the same thing if it was nissan "updating" the "suspension".

It's bs, pretty clear bs in fact. Anyone with a rational mind should question it.

You're out of your mind if you think Motor Trend is stupid enough to not notice that the suspension is exactly the same yet it has more power.

How is "fixing the ECU" going to solve the massive cooling issue causing the ecu to pull timing?

A couple of days ago I asked Ridetech's boss about his new Z06. They went out and tested it along with their new C3 'Vette build. Said they did 23 minutes of hot laps and the engine ran at 226 degrees F, oil at 262 F.

Multiple tuners have come out with less conservative ECU tunes, since they don't have to worry about emissions or 100,000 mile warranties. Problem solved. Although chances of GM doing the same tune from the factory are super slim, unfortunately. Not a good sign for future performance cars - emissions and MPG requirements from the government are only going to make it more difficult to provide showroom-floor race cars. The rise of hybrid supercars is further evidence.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

You're out of your mind if you think Motor Trend is stupid enough to not notice that the suspension is exactly the same yet it has more power.

A couple of days ago I asked Ridetech's boss about his new Z06. They went out and tested it along with their new C3 'Vette build. Said they did 23 minutes of hot laps and the engine ran at 226 degrees F, oil at 262 F.

Multiple tuners have come out with less conservative ECU tunes, since they don't have to worry about emissions or 100,000 mile warranties. Problem solved. Although chances of GM doing the same tune from the factory are super slim, unfortunately. Not a good sign for future performance cars - emissions and MPG requirements from the government are only going to make it more difficult to provide showroom-floor race cars. The rise of hybrid supercars is further evidence.

I guess I really wasn't claiming they didn't do stuff to the suspension. But if you think an ecu tune didn't "slip" in there when they were messing around with the other computers then I guess you have more faith in companies than I do.

Keep in mind the extent to which GM lied and covered up the ignition issue. An issue that actually resulted in death. If they'll lie about that, then they will sure as hell alter a test car to beat the competition for bragging rights and most likely sales.

[hotrodalex]

I guess I really wasn't claiming they didn't do stuff to the suspension. But if you think an ecu tune didn't "slip" in there when they were messing around with the other computers then I guess you have more faith in companies than I do.

Keep in mind the extent to which GM lied and covered up the ignition issue. An issue that actually resulted in death. If they'll lie about that, then they will sure as hell alter a test car to beat the competition for bragging rights and most likely sales.

But the automatic car still pulled power.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I didn't see them specify that the automatic car was retuned. It reads as if the automatic was just another test car brought in for comparison.