2017 Fiat 124 Spider

[Cookie Monster]

I couldn't find the weight specs of either engine after a brief search, so why assume the 1.4 is heavier just because it makes more power?

Why assume the 2.0 is heavier because it's a bigger displacement?

[MrH]

I just don't understand how Mazda would let happen:

1. Fiat (Chrysler) stealing their platform
2. Fiat (Chrysler) ruining the balance with all that extra power

Italian sports cars are supposed to be Italian...

Excess capacity and a desire to spread what's likely a large developmental cost across more volume.

[Payman]

Why assume the 2.0 is heavier because it's a bigger displacement?

I said the 1.4 is most likely lighter, because of the smaller displacement. Look, there's a lot of unknowns still, and we don't have a clear picture of the final styling. There's a new choice in the lightweight efficient sportscar market instead of just the Miata (which I still love BTW), and I for one am excited about that.

[12,000 RPM]

Displacement is not a good indicator of engine weight, especially when you factor in turbocharging. 2.0L is all aluminum and optimized for its size; 1.4L is turbocharged with an iron block. Obviously within limits... i.e. a 1L won't weigh more than a 7L anything but in this case I can't see how the 1.4L will be lighter, with its heavy block and turbo components. Not really a big deal but worth putting to bed.

[Payman]

Displacement is not a good indicator of engine weight, especially when you factor in turbocharging. 2.0L is all aluminum and optimized for its size; 1.4L is turbocharged with an iron block. Obviously within limits... i.e. a 1L won't weigh more than a 7L anything but in this case I can't see how the 1.4L will be lighter, with its heavy block and turbo components. Not really a big deal but worth putting to bed.

Agreed. I assumed the MultiAir was an aluminum engine. My bad.

[TBR]

I have a hard time believing that there's a big weight difference in either direction. And, if there is one, I would think it would be in Mazda's favor, given their emphasis on light design and especially that the 2.0l is not turbocharged (and not intercooled, but not sure if the Fiat engine is either).

[MX793]

I have a hard time believing that there's a big weight difference in either direction. And, if there is one, I would think it would be in Mazda's favor, given their emphasis on light design and especially that the 2.0l is not turbocharged (and not intercooled, but not sure if the Fiat engine is either).

The Fiat motor is intercooled.

[2o6]

The Fiat motor has to be tiny, it's got to fit in most of Fiat's city cars

[MX793]

The Fiat motor has to be tiny, it's got to fit in most of Fiat's city cars

With an iron block, even if it's small it can still be heavy.

[Eye of the Tiger]

The 1.4 is a Jeep motor, therefore it is heavy.

[Payman]

The 1.4 is a Jeep motor, therefore it is heavy.

1.4T @ 180 hp = 128 hp/litre

2.0 @ 155 hp = 77.5 hp/litre

[FoMoJo]

Looks nice. A little bit Miataish...but then, Miata was always a little Fiatish and Alphaish and...

[Eye of the Tiger]

1.4T @ 180 hp = 128 hp/litre

2.0 @ 155 hp = 77.5 hp/litre

Mighty Max 2.0 @ 92 hp = 46 hp/litre
Mighty Max 46 hp/litre @ 5500 rpm = 120 rpm/hp/litre

120!

[Rupert]

That's quite the front overhang...

[Raza]

I'll wait for official pics.  Hard to tell anything from these photos. 

[ifcar]

Officially revealed. Specs look good. Style looks like a bad Photochop.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-fiat-124-spider-photos-and-info-news

[68_427]

It looks even worse in actual colors.  I hope I never see one on the road.

[2o6]

This looks like ass.

[2o6]

It looks like a bad TVR prototype from 2002.

[SVT666]

Those headlights are horrendous.

[BimmerM3]

I don't think it's that bad. I kind of like it.

I figured it'd be more powerful, though the torque numbers are promising.

[Xer0]

I'm getting S2K vibes from it, which isn't bad, but something just isn't meshing well.


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[68_427]

I'm waiting to see the Abarth version, which will get different sheetmetal.

[CALL_911]

Yea I'll just stick with the Miata

[Cookie Monster]

I guess it's not terrible in blue? Although I'd much rather see that blue on the ND.

[BimmerM3]

I guess it's not terrible in blue? Although I'd much rather see that blue on the ND.

I actually really like that. It looks more Miata-y than the Miata.

[68_427]

I actually really like that. It looks more Miata-y than the Miata.

[Rupert]

Maybe it would look better slammed to the ground like the original.

[12,000 RPM]

Still roly poly and the wheels look like something off a mid 2000s Sebring Touring. Not crazy about the front or rear end either. I thought Italians were supposed to make cars look good?

[MX793]

Reminds me of an NB with some retro Fiat touches.  I'm undecided on how I feel about the styling.  Front end details seem a little awkward, but may look better in a lighter or brighter color.  They should have made some effort to differentiate the interior from the Mazda.