BMW M2 reveal is today

[MexicoCityM3]

This is an early magazine leak. Official reveal is later today. Looks good and it's sumoured to come in for you guys at somewhere between $51K and $54K base price. We´ll know soon enough.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I don't like the looks of BMW coupes, the 1 series(now 2 over here) would have been more appealing(to me) as a 2 or 4 door hatchback or a 4 door sedan.

[MexicoCityM3]

I don't like the looks of BMW coupes, the 1 series(now 2 over here) would have been more appealing(to me) as a 2 or 4 door hatchback or a 4 door sedan.

A rwd 4 door aka "2 series gran coupe" is supposedly coming soon. Maybe not in M flavor though.

[MrH]

$50k+

Holy shit are cars expensive.  I'd rather have two cars I think.

[Payman]

I don't like the looks of BMW coupes, the 1 series(now 2 over here) would have been more appealing(to me) as a 2 or 4 door hatchback or a 4 door sedan.

Nah, the 2 series is my favourite BMW. I still have a thing for 2 door coupes.

[MexicoCityM3]

$50k+

Holy shit are cars expensive.  I'd rather have two cars I think.

Inflation old man. This is mostly inline with the 1M.

[Payman]

$50k+

Holy shit are cars expensive.  I'd rather have two cars I think.

Yeah. I recently configured a MINI John Cooper Works Paceman at $53,000. Insane. The M2 is cool though because it's essentially an M3 from its greatest generation, at an M3 MSRP from 10-12 years ago.

[MexicoCityM3]

This M2 is nice. But I see nothing that makes it a worthwhile upgrade over the 1M. 30 more hp (which are a very conservative tune away for the 1M anyway).

Suspension geometry, weight, brakes, diff, all basically the same that I've got. And the 1M is limited production so it doesn't make any sense to get this for me.

[Payman]

This M2 is nice. But I see nothing that makes it a worthwhile upgrade over the 1M. 30 more hp (which are a very conservative tune away for the 1M anyway).

Suspension geometry, weight, brakes, diff, all basically the same that I've got. And the 1M is limited production so it doesn't make any sense to get this for me.

What did your 1M cost in US$ (if you don't mind me asking)?

[MexicoCityM3]

What did your 1M cost in US$ (if you don't mind me asking)?

65K. This M2 will probably cost similarly here.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Nah, the 2 series is my favourite BMW. I still have a thing for 2 door coupes.

ohh I like 2 doors, but with 2 seats.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

A rwd 4 door aka "2 series gran coupe" is supposedly coming soon. Maybe not in M flavor though.

I'd prefer just a regular old sedan, I'm sure some of the older guys remember them.

None of this gran coupe active tourer BS they seem to want to push.

[Cookie Monster]

Yeah. I recently configured a MINI John Cooper Works Paceman at $53,000. Insane. The M2 is cool though because it's essentially an M3 from its greatest generation, at an M3 MSRP from 10-12 years ago.

But the E90 M3 sedan started at like $53k...

[MexicoCityM3]

But the E90 M3 sedan started at like $53k...

55K IIRC

This will easily outperform a stock E90 M3. And pricing should be compared to the current M3, not to one that came out in '07. Again, inflation man.

[Lebowski]

$50k+

Holy shit are cars expensive.  I'd rather have two cars I think.

They're cheaper when you don't trade them in every 3 mos.




But yeah, it's a BMW M which has never been cheap. A 335i can easily be configured to ~$60k+, the base price listed here seems about what should be expected IMO.

[Cookie Monster]

55K IIRC

This will easily outperform a stock E90 M3. And pricing should be compared to the current M3, not to one that came out in '07. Again, inflation man.

He said price is in line with M3's from 10-12 years ago. My point was that the E90 was fairly recent and not that expensive.

[MX793]

Will this really outperform the E9x M3?  It's lighter, but it's also down quite a bit on power.

[12,000 RPM]

Will this really outperform the E9x M3?  It's lighter, but it's also down quite a bit on power.

Torque my friend. And it's not just a little lighter.... it's over 400lb lighter.

Still in all.... I feel like an M235i with the LSD is a better value. It's just damn good. And you know me. I wouldn't even need 1/2 of the extra $10K to build a bruiser. Funny that they dialed the power back so much though. I am guessing they are using a single turbo rather than the M3's twins. Would make a ton of sense.

Valiant effort though. <3300lb turbo 6 banger 4 seater. We haven't seen that combo.... since the 80s?

[SJ_GTI]

Isn't it past 8:00 PM now in Germany??? I wanna see real pics of the car. 

[MexicoCityM3]

Isn't it past 8:00 PM now in Germany??? I wanna see real pics of the car. 

Per BMW:

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[That's 6PM ET by the way]

Periscope link: https://www.periscope.tv/w/aOxClTQxM...jH9gpjzI8L1gFU

[MexicoCityM3]

Still in all.... I feel like an M235i with the LSD is a better value.

Only if you think depreciation is free.

[MX793]

Torque my friend. And it's not just a little lighter.... it's over 400lb lighter.

Still in all.... I feel like an M235i with the LSD is a better value. It's just damn good. And you know me. I wouldn't even need 1/2 of the extra $10K to build a bruiser. Funny that they dialed the power back so much though. I am guessing they are using a single turbo rather than the M3's twins. Would make a ton of sense.

Valiant effort though. <3300lb turbo 6 banger 4 seater. We haven't seen that combo.... since the 80s?

400 lbs is like 12%.  It's got 20% less power, at least at peak.  We'll have to see what the overall power curve looks like.

[MexicoCityM3]

400 lbs is like 12%.  It's got 20% less power, at least at peak.  We'll have to see what the overall power curve looks like.

The N/A engines were not underrated. All BMW turbos are, they tend to make at the wheels their rated crank power. My 1M keeps up with the E90 M3 - at sea level. And it has 30 less hp than this M2. At altitude, the 1M walks the M3.

[MX793]

The N/A engines were not underrated. All BMW turbos are, they tend to make at the wheels their rated crank power. My 1M keeps up with the E90 M3 - at sea level. And it has 30 less hp than this M2. At altitude, the 1M walks the M3.

At altitude, I have no doubt the turbocharged car will walk the E90.  Not so sure at sea level.  Looking at C&D's Lightning Lap, the 1M was a full second slower than the E9x M3.  Straight line testing likewise showed the M3 as having an edge over the 1M.  If it exceeds the M3, and it may, I don't think it will be by that much.

[MexicoCityM3]

At altitude, I have no doubt the turbocharged car will walk the E90.  Not so sure at sea level.  Looking at C&D's Lightning Lap, the 1M was a full second slower than the E9x M3.  Straight line testing likewise showed the M3 as having an edge over the 1M.  If it exceeds the M3, and it may, I don't think it will be by that much.

I agree. I have taken the 1M to COTA in Austin (sea level basically) and kept up with M3s there. A 1 sec difference on a 3 minute track is very very small. Any driver difference is much greater than that. Even the level of tire wear can compensate for such a small difference. Point is, they´re basically equivalent. With the M2 add some power and better tires (the 1M and E90 had PS2s, the M2 PSSs) and it will surely be faster than the E90.

[MexicoCityM3]

Engine
3.0L TwinPower Turbo inline 6 cylinder (N55 engine - N55B30T0)
365 hp @ 6500 RPM
343 lb-ft @ 1400-5560 RPM
Overboost function boosts torque by +26 lb-ft to 369 lb-ft between 1450 - 4750 RPM
7000 RPM rev limiter
0-60 mph: 4.2 sec (w/ DCT and Launch Control)
0-60 mph: 4.4 sec (6 speed manual)
Top speed: 155 mph electronically limited
Closed-deck engine (water jacket surrounding the cylinders is sealed at the top, allowing for high cylinder pressures)
High Precision Injection system
Double VANOS
VALVETRONIC
Pistons from M3/M4 S55 engine, with top ring optimized for the use of grey-cast iron liners
Crankshaft main bearing shells from M3/M4 S55 engine
Turbocharger integrated into the exhaust manifold
Aerodynamically tuned air intake manifold
High performance spark plugs
Extra water radiator
Additional oil cooler for transmission oil (DCT only)
Modified oil sump
Additional oil sump cover limits movement of oil under acceleration
Extra oil suction pump send oil back to rear pop oil sump when braking heavily
Special suction system for oil supply to turbocharger under high acceleration

Transmission:
6 speed manual transmission (standard)
New carbon fiber friction lining enhances shift precision
Dry-sump lubrication prevents sloshing of transmission oil and ensures proper lubrication
Automatic rev-matching (can be disabled in DSC OFF mode)
7 speed M DCT (option)
Launch Control
Active M Differential with 0-100% lock. Full locking power of 1843 lb-ft available within 150ms

Suspension / Chassis:
Lightweight aluminum front and rear axles of the BMW M3 and M4
Aluminum suspension struts and tubular anti-roll bar
Play-free ball joints ensure precise wheel location
Stiffening plate in underbody provides additional bolted connection between the axle subframe and the body sills
Forces passing through suspension are transmitted directly via special elastomer bearings
Control arms and wheel carriers made from forged aluminum
Rear axle subframe bolted directly to body

Wheels / Tires / Brakes:
Wheels: 19x9" front / 19x10" rear
Tires: exclusive 19 inch Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires - 245/35 ZR front and 265/35 ZR rear
Four-piston fixed calipers front / two-piston fixed calipers rear
15" rotors front / 14.5" rotors rear - perforated and inner-vented brake disc ring made from grey-cast iron
Brake disc hub constructed from aluminum

Other Highlights:
M developed electric power steering
Brake Energy Regeneration
Auto Start Stop function

Styling Highlights / Interior:
Large front apron w/ trapezoidal blades and Air Curtains in outer air intakes mimic the BMW 3.0 CSL touring car racer
Trapezoidal blades divert part of the airflow through the wheel arches, while the Air Curtains guide the air effectively past the wheels
Side gills reference a feature first seen on the BMW 3.0 CSL
Widened wheel flares / fenders - 2.1 inch front and 3.1 inch rear
M rear spoiler
Vertical reflectors on rear apron form a stylistic connection w/ the trapezoidal blades at the front end
Drag reduced by 5% compared w/ 2 Series Coupe
Lift reduced by 35%

Interior:
Sports seats in black Dakota leather with blue contrast stitching and an M logo in the backrests
Adjust side seat bolsters
M footrest and knee pad on the center console for the driver
Instruments with M2-specific dials and needles
M logos on the tachometer, gearshift lever, door sill plates
M leather steering wheel with M color stitching and shift paddles
BMW M2 trim strip with surfacing in open pore carbon fiber
Alcantara door panel inserts, parking brake boot and shift lever boot (manual transmission only)

[MexicoCityM3]

[BimmerM3]

That is a nice looking car, I must say.

[Cookie Monster]

Pfft $20k more and barely any more hp than a Ficus RS.

JK, this thing looks badass. Plus Ford dealers will probably gouge the fuck out of the RS and you'll end up spending $55k to get one.

[MexicoCityM3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=16&v=ww37JDbFO20