Un-frigging-believable..... New car purchase woes

[GoCougs]

3500??? Seriously??? and you "think" you'd get it?

lol - easily. Don't you guys ever negotiate? Jesus. It's pretty simple - walk in your adversary's shoes and envision his situation if you walk.

No matter what happens the dealer will have to pay to replace the trunk lid ($1,000 - $1,500) and declare the damage which will result in diminished value ($500 - $1,500). If MX793 passes on it, the car will sit on the lot (i.e., the dealer will have to float the capital they weren't originally planning on till the car sells) say three months ($500).

[MX793]

lol - easily. Don't you guys ever negotiate? Jesus. It's pretty simple - walk in your adversary's shoes and envision his situation if you walk.

No matter what happens the dealer will have to pay to replace the trunk lid ($1,000 - $1,500) and declare the damage which will result in diminished value ($500 - $1,500). If MX793 passes on it, the car will sit on the lot (i.e., the dealer will have to float the capital they weren't originally planning on till the car sells) say three months ($500).

Actually, given the length of the winters here, that car is unlikely to move before April.  They still have a 2015 that's been there since last October.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

lol - easily.

Lol, easily.

Like that court case that you are just cleaning up with.

I think i hear your mom calling, your cheerios are getting soggy.

[Payman]

I completely get the "waited for 3 months and I want my car" thing. No doubt the decision is killing you, but you really need to walk. Maybe take the time to contact Ford, explain the situation and that you'd like to order a new Mustang for spring delivery. Maybe they'll throw in some freebies to make you happy. 

[FlatBlackCaddy]

He saw the damage, if it isn't that bad, and the dealership is willing to compensate then I don't think all is lost here.

For me, seeing the total extent of the damage before it's repaired would help a great deal. It takes a lot of doubt out of the true extent and severity of the situation.

[giant_mtb]

I have no doubts the body shop's paint job will look good, but I just can't help but be concerned about the longevity.  A factory paint job is just...cleaner.  It's done in the automotive equivalent of a clean room with materials that have just been bathed by 12 different chemical baths to ensure super duper bonding.

If it's just a summer vehicle, though...it'll probably last twice as long as it would if it were a year-round vehicle.

[280Z Turbo]

I have no doubts the body shop's paint job will look good, but I just can't help but be concerned about the longevity.  A factory paint job is just...cleaner.  It's done in the automotive equivalent of a clean room with materials that have just been bathed by 12 different chemical baths to ensure super duper bonding.

If it's just a summer vehicle, though...it'll probably last twice as long as it would if it were a year-round vehicle.

Well, it's not part of the unibody, so I think the risk is low.

This is mostly a mental thing. Worst case scenario, all of the paint peels off and the trunk lid gets a rust hole in 2 years. The rest of the car is still good. Just replace the trunk lid. The dealer should warranty their own work.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Congrats on moving up to a V8! I'd take the car. I'd ask for $1500 off (I'd only expect $1000) and get a written warranty on ANY work the Body Shop performed on the car. Just my.02

[giant_mtb]

Well, it's not part of the unibody, so I think the risk is low.

This is mostly a mental thing. Worst case scenario, all of the paint peels off and the trunk lid gets a rust hole in 2 years. The rest of the car is still good. Just replace the trunk lid. The dealer should warranty their own work.

That's true.  I mean, if it starts bubbling, the dealership (presumably) would just go ahead and fix it considering it was "on them" in the first place.

[giant_mtb]

Congrats on moving up to a V8! I'd take the car. I'd ask for $1500 off (I'd only expect $1000) and get a written warranty on ANY work the Body Shop performed on the car. Just my.02

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[Cookie Monster]

I have no doubts the body shop's paint job will look good, but I just can't help but be concerned about the longevity.  A factory paint job is just...cleaner.  It's done in the automotive equivalent of a clean room with materials that have just been bathed by 12 different chemical baths to ensure super duper bonding.

If it's just a summer vehicle, though...it'll probably last twice as long as it would if it were a year-round vehicle.

Good point on the summer vehicle - any repairs and the car in general will last a lot longer.

FWIW I've had a lot of paint work done on my car (it's been hit twice and has had 7 panels repainted) and I can't really tell the difference in paint color and longevity. If you can confirm there's no damage to anything underneath and it's just the trunk lid, and can get some money off and a warranty on the work done (like G8 mentioned), it might be worth considering. Sure, you won't be using it for a couple months but it'll be good to go the moment the salt leaves the roads in the spring, and you can at least get a full autocross season in. Timing this all again in the spring given what you've gone through this time would be extremely hard. You'll either have it stuck at the dealership with salt on the roads or miss out on good weather and autox.

[giant_mtb]

Yeah but you live in California where road salt isn't a thing.  Of course your paint is still fine.

[ifcar]

I assume that work performed by the dealer before you take delivery of a car is still under the factory warranty, right? If he declines this car, it will be put on the lot and someone will buy it. If it prematurely rusts, the customer will take it in for service and isn't going to be told "oh, see, *we* put this part on, so it's not under warranty."

[CALL_911]

I'd probably just take the car, try and get a discount out of them, and a written guarantee of the body shops work

[MX793]

I'm thinking I may at least entertain accepting it and wait until I've seen it before turning it down.  Although if I accept it, all of the following must be met:
-It must match the factory paint exactly.  The lay of the metal flake, the level of orange peel, color, etc
-They discount the price below X plan.  Right now I'm thinking they would have to come down to what a low mileage used 2015 lists for, retail, on KBB.
-The full factory paint warranty is intact.
-I am guaranteed, in writing, that this will not show up on Carfax.

[2o6]

Pretty sure those last two things are probably 95% going to happen.


Having worked for three car dealerships, this happens all the time. If the dealer has a bodyshop, it'll likely just get rolled into something and stay under the table.



And shit gets broken at, and comes broken from the factory all the time. A dealer replacement part is still covered under original warranty; I'm sure this is the case with your trunk.

[AutobahnSHO]

Lol, easily.

Like that court case that you are just cleaning up with.

I think i hear your mom calling, your cheerios are getting soggy.

[Morris Minor]

Watching the James May show that Madman posted, MINI building cars to order from millions of permutations, makes you wonder about the whole dealer system, & the effort they put into strong-arming purchasers into whatever's in inventory.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I like soggy Cheeri-Os.

[AutobahnSHO]

I like soggy Cheeri-Os.

+1 but not overly soggy. The sweet spot is about halfway through the bowl- gotta pour the milk and immediately endure a few crunchy ones.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I'm thinking I may at least entertain accepting it and wait until I've seen it before turning it down.  Although if I accept it, all of the following must be met:
-It must match the factory paint exactly.  The lay of the metal flake, the level of orange peel, color, etc
-They discount the price below X plan.  Right now I'm thinking they would have to come down to what a low mileage used 2015 lists for, retail, on KBB.
-The full factory paint warranty is intact.
-I am guaranteed, in writing, that this will not show up on Carfax.

Even with a written guarantee, if it shows up on Carfax that guarantee won't do anything to combat the affect of resale.

It will probably show up on carfax if the shipping company pays out a claim for it. If ford kicks some money back to the dealer directly than it probably won't.

[Eye of the Tiger]

+1 but not overly soggy. The sweet spot is about halfway through the bowl- gotta pour the milk and immediately endure a few crunchy ones.

You must be more patient.

[Soup DeVille]

Watching the James May show that Madman posted, MINI building cars to order from millions of permutations, makes you wonder about the whole dealer system, & the effort they put into strong-arming purchasers into whatever's in inventory.

In many states, the dealerships are legally protected by laws that keep manufacturers from selling direct. Tesla has bucked this, which is one thing I like about them.

And yes, Mini is the industry standard for line sequencing.

[Cookie Monster]

Yeah but you live in California where road salt isn't a thing.  Of course your paint is still fine.

But, as you said, this thing won't be seeing any salt anyways.

[AutobahnSHO]

You must be more patient.

nah cuz then I get TOO soggy by 3/4 of the bowl.   (I eat more slowly than anyone I know, not on purpose)

[BimmerM3]

This may be a silly question, but is it not possible to get a factory-painted replacement trunk lid?

[Eye of the Tiger]

But, as you said, this thing won't be seeing any salt anyways.

Why would you add salt to Cheeri-Os? If anything, one should more honey on top.

[ifcar]

Even with a written guarantee, if it shows up on Carfax that guarantee won't do anything to combat the affect of resale.

It will probably show up on carfax if the shipping company pays out a claim for it. If ford kicks some money back to the dealer directly than it probably won't.

I don't think Carfax shows very minor accidents like that, when it's just one part being replaced. At least I've never seen that.

[Speed_Racer]

I don't think Carfax shows very minor accidents like that, when it's just one part being replaced. At least I've never seen that.

I thought that Carfax only shows repairs that have been reported to an insurance company? I learned that my car had the bumper and hood repainted despite having a clean Carfax - I assmued it was done by somebody out-of-pocket.

[MX793]

I thought that Carfax only shows repairs that have been reported to an insurance company? I learned that my car had the bumper and hood repainted despite having a clean Carfax - I assmued it was done by somebody out-of-pocket.

That's my understanding as well.  I'm sure the dealer doesn't foot the bill for something like this, but who and how is also unknown to me.  If the shipper's insurance covers it, does that result in a claim that gets attached to the car and may show up on a Carfax?  Trunk plus paint has got to be at least a grand between parts and labor.  Seems like the sort of thing that, if reported, would show up.