Lol. Alfa delays Giulia and SUV

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What is Ferrari using?

Getrag

[Galaxy]

For the first time since the Alfa 156, the Italien federal police have some stylish sets of wheels again. Looks like the fiscal crisis in Italy is over, since the seem to have gotten the 510hp version. Avanti! Avanti! 

[MX793]

Getrag

Where do you think VW, Porsche, Mitsubishi, Ford, and Nissan get their DCT's from? 

Hint:  none of them developed those gearboxes in-house.  The were all developed/sourced from companies like Getrag, BorgWarner, and ZF

[Xer0]

For the first time since the Alfa 156, the Italien federal police have some stylish sets of wheels again. Looks like the fiscal crisis in Italy is over, since the seem to have gotten the 510hp version. Avanti! Avanti! 

I've always been curious on if these departments that buy high powered sports cars spend any amount of time training the officers to use them.  A 510hp anything is a lot to handle.


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[2o6]

I read somewhere that the RHD cars will be Auto only.

[Galaxy]

Where do you think VW, Porsche, Mitsubishi, Ford, and Nissan get their DCT's from? 

Hint:  none of them developed those gearboxes in-house.  The were all developed/sourced from companies like Getrag, BorgWarner, and ZF

The VW DSGs were mostly developed in house by the same team. Everything to do with gears, and shafts, are designed and produced internally. The bearings are bought from external suppliers. The hydraulics are from BorgWarner. For the 6 speed the clutch itself is from BorgWarner, for the 7 speed it is LuK. The controllers and sensors are from Temic.

[MX793]

The VW DSGs were mostly developed in house by the same team. Everything to do with gears, and shafts, are designed and produced internally. The bearings are bought from external suppliers. The hydraulics are from BorgWarner. For the 6 speed the clutch itself is from BorgWarner, for the 7 speed it is LuK. The controllers and sensors are from Temic.

DSG was designed/developed by BorgWarner and licensed to VW (allowing VW to actually make the parts in house).

[Galaxy]

DSG was designed/developed by BorgWarner and licensed to VW (allowing VW to actually make the parts in house).

It was not. VW did had to license certain BorgWarner patents, but they had an entire developments team working on the thing. Which is also why VW is footing the bill for the DSG failures instead of passing it onto BorgWarner. What BorgWarner created, and VW bought/ is buying is the following:

https://www.borgwarner.com/en/Drivetrain/products/Pages/DualTronic%20Clutch%20System.aspx

[Raza]

For the first time since the Alfa 156, the Italien federal police have some stylish sets of wheels again. Looks like the fiscal crisis in Italy is over, since the seem to have gotten the 510hp version. Avanti! Avanti! 

Damn. I'm putting pennies in a jar now. Want, want, want.

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EVO is digging it.... says the 8AT is a better companion than the vague/rubbery/mediocre manual

*IB4EVOdoesn'tmatter*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RFBx8lMLIE

[MX793]

It was not. VW did had to license certain BorgWarner patents, but they had an entire developments team working on the thing. Which is also why VW is footing the bill for the DSG failures instead of passing it onto BorgWarner. What BorgWarner created, and VW bought/ is buying is the following:

https://www.borgwarner.com/en/Drivetrain/products/Pages/DualTronic%20Clutch%20System.aspx

The gearbox was developed by BorgWarner and built by the VW Group's Kassel factory located in the heart of Germany.

Read more: http://www.autoevolution.com/news/volkswagen-group-s-dsg-gearbox-explained-88928.html#ixzz493OJ6gV5

[Raza]

EVO is digging it.... says the 8AT is a better companion than the vague/rubbery/mediocre manual

*IB4EVOdoesn'tmatter*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RFBx8lMLIE

Manual is always better.

[Galaxy]

Note that BorgWarner on their history page makes no mention of that. They talk about DualTronic.

https://www.borgwarner.com/en/Company/History/default.aspx

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Manual is always better.

Except when it isn't (see: Nissan)

[cawimmer430]

Shmee150 tries the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r2krO2mREU

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If I never have to see a Shthmee150 video again, my life will be better for it.

[cawimmer430]

If I never have to see a Shthmee150 video again, my life will be better for it.

I don't follow him. I came across this video by chance.

What don't you like about him?

[cawimmer430]

I read somewhere that the RHD cars will be Auto only.

Yep. RHD cars will be A/T only.

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I don't follow him. I came across this video by chance.

What don't you like about him?

He takes cars that are supposed to be exciting and makes them boring.

[cawimmer430]

He takes cars that are supposed to be exciting and makes them boring.

How does he do that?

[Raza]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-first-drive-review

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Turbo lag, crappy manual (according to EVO), Italian build quality. These things better be priced with a hell of a discount, with hella loaners on hand.

[cawimmer430]

How Autobild imagines the upcoming Alfa Romeo GT.

[Submariner]

Turbo lag, crappy manual (according to EVO), Italian build quality. These things better be priced with a hell of a discount, with hella loaners on hand.

First line in the closing paragraph:

"This car is impressive."

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First line in the closing paragraph:

"This car is impressive."

Yep, on a first drive around an Italian test track. The quality issues don't bode well for it from a real world ownership experience. The production Ghibli had many of the same issues.