Lexus LC500

[Raza]

Interesting concept. Truthfully I prefer the concept of a performance hybrid to turbocharging.

[12,000 RPM]

NA > turbo

[2o6]

I was under the impression they coupled a 4AT to their standard Synergy Drive (which is a CVT by necessity to tie the two electric motors and gas motor together).  I would guess that the CVT is programmed to hold a fixed ratio when gear changes are commanded of the secondary gearbox to provide similar feel to a finite ratio box.

There's no traditional auto or traditional CVT in the PSD, last I checked. It's a direct drive that used electric assist in lieu of gearing. There's only one speed.

[MX793]

There's no traditional auto or traditional CVT in the PSD, last I checked. It's a direct drive that used electric assist in lieu of gearing. There's only one speed.

Synergy drive, as implemented in the Prius and every other Toyota hybrid to date, has a type of CVT that connects two motor/generators, the combustion engine, and drive wheels together.  The way the gearbox works, the second motor generator controls the effective gear ratio based on its output speed and direction.  The wiki article on how it works has a decent description with figures.

[Cookie Monster]

NA > turbo

Turbo > hybrid

[12,000 RPM]

Turbo > hybrid

Really? La Ferrari < P1? No.

A good NA + hybrid system > a good turbo. Hybrid tech just hasn't been developed well enough for performance yet. But with the LF/P1/918 it's clear things have changed for the better in the performance hybrid realm. Won't be long.

[Cookie Monster]

Really? La Ferrari < P1? No.

A good NA + hybrid system > a good turbo. Hybrid tech just hasn't been developed well enough for performance yet. But with the LF/P1/918 it's clear things have changed for the better in the performance hybrid realm. Won't be long.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't even like turbos but there's no way I'd want anything with a hybrid system.

[12,000 RPM]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't even like turbos but there's no way I'd want anything with a hybrid system.

Why? Not even a KERS type system?

I am not talking about a big heavy system. I am thinking something like a motor between the clutch and diff and a lightish battery. For 100lb or w/e that would help with emissions, low end torque etc as well as weight distribution. Prius battery is ~100lb and that's down from 167lbs in the original. There's potential there.

[MX793]

As power adders go, I'd put hybrid systems, including KERS, about equal with NOS.  Both can be depleted while driving if used heavily.  Hybrid has the benefit of self-replenishing, but adds considerable weight when compared to Nitrous.

[68_427]

I was under the impression they coupled a 4AT to their standard Synergy Drive (which is a CVT by necessity to tie the two electric motors and gas motor together).  I would guess that the CVT is programmed to hold a fixed ratio when gear changes are commanded of the secondary gearbox to provide similar feel to a finite ratio box.

The way I understand it is the 4spd is added to expand the range/spread of the cvt

[CJ]

I love this thing. It's ridiculously good looking in person. Who gives a shit how much it weighs? That's not the point of this car.

[Raza]

NA > turbo

Turbo is better than hybrid, you unthusiast. 911 Turbo vs. Prius C.

Electric power sucks and is stupid.

[12,000 RPM]

Turbo is better than hybrid, you unthusiast. 911 Turbo vs. Prius C.

Electric power sucks and is stupid.

LaFerrari vs anything turbo. No. Not that simple.

[CaminoRacer]

LaFerrari vs anything turbo. No. Not that simple.

F40.

[Raza]

LaFerrari vs anything turbo. No. Not that simple.

Trying to convince me with the LaFerrari won't work. Ferrari LaFastPrius.

[Raza]

F40.

[MX793]

I was under the impression they coupled a 4AT to their standard Synergy Drive (which is a CVT by necessity to tie the two electric motors and gas motor together).  I would guess that the CVT is programmed to hold a fixed ratio when gear changes are commanded of the secondary gearbox to provide similar feel to a finite ratio box.

C&D's preview writeup confirmed my suspicion.  They adapted their Synergy Drive hybrid setup (with 2 electric motors and CVT) to a RWD platform and then slapped a 4AT to the output of the CVT.  In "sport" mode, the 4AT and CVT combine to create/simulate a 10 speed gearbox.  In regular mode, it drives like a CVT.  Based on reported output, the V6 and electric motors appear to be lifted straight from the RX400h (~350 total peak power).  I find their claim of sub-5 seconds to 60 in a car that will weigh well over two tons to be a bit optimistic unless that transmission is magic.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2018-lexus-lc500h-hybrid-coupe-photos-and-info-news

[Submariner]

F40.

I saw one in LA last week.  One of the best sounding cars I've ever heard. 

[68_427]

http://youtu.be/GJCJsAeHJnc

[68_427]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci_ESngxFEY

Love this thing

[r0tor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci_ESngxFEY

Love this thing

He is a fucktard

[Eye of the Tiger]

He is a fucktard

a bit
I can't believe people let him drive their cars.
OTOH, he's better than many of his kind.

[68_427]

He is a fucktard

I'll wait for your review then 

[r0tor]

a bit
I can't believe people let him drive their cars.
OTOH, he's better than many of his kind.

His whole shtick is people get give him their car for fame and then there is a 10 min video of some canyon road driving going "wow this is great"

[MrH]

Why is he a fucktard for that....?

[12,000 RPM]

His whole shtick is people get give him their car for fame and then there is a 10 min video of some canyon road driving going "wow this is great"

Aside from the fame thing, this is how car reviews generally work

Your jealousy is palpable man, JFC

[Tave]

He is a fucktard

His whole shtick is people get give him their car for fame and then there is a 10 min video of some canyon road driving going "wow this is great"

Who does he think he is, producing all that free content for you? And he has the nerve to enjoy it too! What a lunatic.

[Raza]

NA V8?  Hmm, give it a real transmission and I'd be all over it!  It's got a bicycle gearbox now, hand-actuated 10 speed?

Also, I can't tell for sure 100%, and I don't know what you guys think of him, and I didn't watch the whole video (though is this the same guy from the Boxster vid?  They're a bit blah, if that's the one), but I have to give him some props.  I'm pretty sure that is a vintage steel Rolex GMT Master II Pepsi bezel.  Can't tell for sure because I can't get a good look at the crown, but it seems to have the more delicate lugs of the older model as opposed to the more squared off lugs of the newer white gold version.  Pretty desirable version.  I was expecting some huge look-at-me monstrosity akin to what Guy Fieri wears on D, D, and D, but that shows some taste. 

[68_427]

NA V8?  Hmm, give it a real transmission and I'd be all over it!  It's got a bicycle gearbox now, hand-actuated 10 speed?

Also, I can't tell for sure 100%, and I don't know what you guys think of him, and I didn't watch the whole video (though is this the same guy from the Boxster vid?  They're a bit blah, if that's the one), but I have to give him some props.  I'm pretty sure that is a vintage steel Rolex GMT Master II Pepsi bezel.  Can't tell for sure because I can't get a good look at the crown, but it seems to have the more delicate lugs of the older model as opposed to the more squared off lugs of the newer white gold version.  Pretty desirable version.  I was expecting some huge look-at-me monstrosity akin to what Guy Fieri wears on D, D, and D, but that shows some taste. 

Matt's a watch guy like yourself.  He's posted some things on his Instagram periodically.  And it's a regular auto but with paddle shifters.

[Tave]

NA V8?  Hmm, give it a real transmission and I'd be all over it!  It's got a bicycle gearbox now, hand-actuated 10 speed?

Also, I can't tell for sure 100%, and I don't know what you guys think of him, and I didn't watch the whole video (though is this the same guy from the Boxster vid?  They're a bit blah, if that's the one), but I have to give him some props.  I'm pretty sure that is a vintage steel Rolex GMT Master II Pepsi bezel.  Can't tell for sure because I can't get a good look at the crown, but it seems to have the more delicate lugs of the older model as opposed to the more squared off lugs of the newer white gold version.  Pretty desirable version.  I was expecting some huge look-at-me monstrosity akin to what Guy Fieri wears on D, D, and D, but that shows some taste.

If you like youtube car reviews he's one of the better ones. His signature format is his "one takes," where he ad-libs a review on the spot while driving canyons. He's not the harshest reviewer but that just seems to be his personality. He also reviews a lot of older cars, built cars, and customs, which is nice change of pace from the cookie-cutter format of a lot of these guys.

About ~1/2 of his reviews are done with owners. Some are a little awkward, but even the socially inept owners tend to open up and give neat insights into their rides.