Lexus LC500

[12,000 RPM]

This one turned the cringe up to 11.... I literally could not sit through this video, this owner was too annoying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue4GwMsMkAw

That is definitely one of the most interesting aspects of the channel. I feel like mine would be really interesting

[Eye of the Tiger]

I hate the damn shift paddles that turn with the wheel. Why the fuck.

[r0tor]

Aside from the fame thing, this is how car reviews generally work

Your jealousy is palpable man, JFC

Not jealous... Just the fact that he brings absolutely no ideas, info, or insight in practically any review.  All he literally does for 10 min on every review is go "oh wow that's great.  Wow"

[r0tor]

Who does he think he is, producing all that free content for you? And he has the nerve to enjoy it too! What a lunatic.

He is making some nice $$$ for making those videos in exchange for YouTube tracking me and subjecting me to advertisement - far from free content

[MrH]

...  It's free for you.  Money is not leaving your pocket every time you watch a video.

You're also free to just not watch?  I'm so confused by all this pent up anger at a free youtube channel

[GoCougs]

If you like youtube car reviews he's one of the better ones. His signature format is his "one takes," where he ad-libs a review on the spot while driving canyons. He's not the harshest reviewer but that just seems to be his personality. He also reviews a lot of older cars, built cars, and customs, which is nice change of pace from the cookie-cutter format of a lot of these guys.

About ~1/2 of his reviews are done with owners. Some are a little awkward, but even the socially inept owners tend to open up and give neat insights into their rides.

Love the One Take vids. Matt's a pretty cool cat.

Unfortunately I think he has a big wreck coming. Some of those cars are way over powered.

[ChrisV]

I hate the damn shift paddles that turn with the wheel. Why the fuck.

Because, like the race cars they are patterned after, it allows you to shift while turning without moving your hand position on the wheel.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Because, like the race cars they are patterned after, it allows you to shift while turning without moving your hand position on the wheel.

I doubt this car's steering ratio is such that it can be driven without ever removing your hands from the wheel, but I could be wrong.

[ChrisV]

I doubt this car's steering ratio is such that it can be driven without ever removing your hands from the wheel, but I could be wrong.

You won't go around parking lots with both hands firmly on the wheel, but you WILL go down twisty roads that way. IN fact, most twisty roads and race tracks don't require full lock cornering when taken properly. Try it. Go to your favorite twisty backroad and, other than shifting, see how much steering angle you really ever have to feed in. You'll be surprised how little steering angle you actually have to use. Which makes paddle shifters moving with the wheel perfectly acceptable.

[CALL_911]

Matt Farah is probably my favorite reviewer this side of Chris Harris (who is also practically my idol). I love the LC and would totally own one.

[CALL_911]

Love the One Take vids. Matt's a pretty cool cat.

Unfortunately I think he has a big wreck coming. Some of those cars are way over powered.

Agreed on all accounts

[Cookie Monster]

You won't go around parking lots with both hands firmly on the wheel, but you WILL go down twisty roads that way. IN fact, most twisty roads and race tracks don't require full lock cornering when taken properly. Try it. Go to your favorite twisty backroad and, other than shifting, see how much steering angle you really ever have to feed in. You'll be surprised how little steering angle you actually have to use. Which makes paddle shifters moving with the wheel perfectly acceptable.

I prefer always knowing where the shift paddle is instead of having it move with the wheel. Just my preference.

I drove an E46 M3 with the paddles on the wheel and didn't like it.

[ChrisV]

I prefer always knowing where the shift paddle is instead of having it move with the wheel. Just my preference.

When you're halfway through a corner, and your hands are at 90 degrees to straight, and you need to shift, having it at your fingertips is nice. It's a learning curve, but it's much faster shifting when you don't have to remove your hands from the wheel mid corner.

[r0tor]

...  It's free for you.  Money is not leaving your pocket every time you watch a video.

You're also free to just not watch?  I'm so confused by all this pent up anger at a free youtube channel

I haven't watched his channel in a long time... Utter click bait crap

[r0tor]

When you're halfway through a corner, and your hands are at 90 degrees to straight, and you need to shift, having it at your fingertips is nice. It's a learning curve, but it's much faster shifting when you don't have to remove your hands from the wheel mid corner.

Shifting mid corner is generally frowned upon

[GoCougs]

When you're halfway through a corner, and your hands are at 90 degrees to straight, and you need to shift, having it at your fingertips is nice. It's a learning curve, but it's much faster shifting when you don't have to remove your hands from the wheel mid corner.

So what are you doing shifting mid corner?

Most cars' wheel-mounted paddles are smaller such that hands have to be at or fairly near 9 and 3 in order to shift. Column mounted paddles tend to be much larger which gives more flexibility on hand position. However, what with the explosion of dash graphics and the like, proper (large) column-mounted shifters are a PITA to package.

I much prefer column-mounted paddles - my experience comes from, amazingly, given how much the rest of the car is ho-hum, the Infiniti Q50.

[Eye of the Tiger]

You won't go around parking lots with both hands firmly on the wheel, but you WILL go down twisty roads that way. IN fact, most twisty roads and race tracks don't require full lock cornering when taken properly. Try it. Go to your favorite twisty backroad and, other than shifting, see how much steering angle you really ever have to feed in. You'll be surprised how little steering angle you actually have to use. Which makes paddle shifters moving with the wheel perfectly acceptable.

I guess autox or reverse 180s are out of the question. What a bunch of bullshit.

And I drive a Versa. You'd be surprised how much sturring angle it requires.

[Cookie Monster]

When you're halfway through a corner, and your hands are at 90 degrees to straight, and you need to shift, having it at your fingertips is nice. It's a learning curve, but it's much faster shifting when you don't have to remove your hands from the wheel mid corner.

I've never shifted halfway through a tight corner that required the wheel to be 90 degrees from straight. A sweeper, sure, but then the wheel is only tilted a few degrees off center, making large column mounted paddles still easy to reach.

Ferrari and Lamborghini mount their paddles to the column.

[SJ_GTI]

I've driven BMW's and Audi's with shift paddles. IIRC both had the paddles on the wheel? Ergonmics of having the paddle of the wheel seemed fine at the time. I guess I'd have to try a car with paddles on the column to get a feel for the difference.

[ChrisV]

Increasing or decreasing radius sweepers get shifting in the corner, so can cloverleaf on or offramps, especially as you feed in throttle after the apex. Autocross is lower speed and usually done primarily in one gear (second) once you actually get started. So it's not an issue there, either. Ergonomically it just works to have the shifter match your hand position. Ferrari street cars have column mounted paddles that are extremely long so you can catch them at nearly any point, but if you're crossed up in an autocross in one of them you'll still have issues getting to the paddle, so your argument is specious.

And the race cars?

[MrH]

Lol, yes, the LC500 is just like an F1 car, so the paddles should be on the wheel.  Strong argument.

[12,000 RPM]

Wheel mounted is clearly superior. For starters F1 + LMP1 + GT3 = wheel mounted. Naturally the day I come home to some BS worthy of a debunking video Forza needs a 1.5 GB update.... but we will debunk this shortly.

Most cars' wheel-mounted paddles are smaller such that hands have to be at or fairly near 9 and 3 in order to shift.

Where else would your hands be while driving at the track

[12,000 RPM]

Lol, yes, the LC500 is just like an F1 car, so the paddles should be on the wheel.  Strong argument.

What functional advantage do column mounted paddles have? And why have paddles at all if you are going to hamper their function, regardless of the car they are in

[Cookie Monster]

Increasing or decreasing radius sweepers get shifting in the corner, so can cloverleaf on or offramps, especially as you feed in throttle after the apex. Autocross is lower speed and usually done primarily in one gear (second) once you actually get started. So it's not an issue there, either. Ergonomically it just works to have the shifter match your hand position. Ferrari street cars have column mounted paddles that are extremely long so you can catch them at nearly any point, but if you're crossed up in an autocross in one of them you'll still have issues getting to the paddle, so your argument is specious.

And the race cars?

I thought you just said you wouldn't need to change gears in an autocross course, so what's with this whole "getting crossed up and not being able to find the paddles" thing? And what kind of sweepers are you driving on that require 90 degrees or more of wheel input?

Steering mounted paddles your hands in a specific spot. Long column mounted paddles allow you a lot more freedom with hand placement while still being able to hit the paddles.

In the end, neither one is a deal breaker. As I said, I just prefer the column mounted ones.

[Eye of the Tiger]

In the end, it's just a Lexus that old men will buy and leave in auto mode, so the paddles don't even fucking matter.

[MrH]

What functional advantage do column mounted paddles have? And why have paddles at all if you are going to hamper their function, regardless of the car they are in

Most street cars don't have steering racks quick enough to be able to keep your hands at a single position on the wheel for day to day driving.  For that reason, I prefer large column mounted paddles.

[12,000 RPM]

Most street cars don't have steering racks quick enough to be able to keep your hands at a single position on the wheel for day to day driving.  For that reason, I prefer large column mounted paddles.

I'm still not quite buying it.... when are you shifting gears with the wheel turned >120 or so degrees?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE5UJa2q2js

[Eye of the Tiger]

I'm still not quite buying it.... when are you shifting gears with the wheel turned >120 or so degrees?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE5UJa2q2js

When you're not playing video games.

[GoCougs]

Increasing or decreasing radius sweepers get shifting in the corner, so can cloverleaf on or offramps, especially as you feed in throttle after the apex. Autocross is lower speed and usually done primarily in one gear (second) once you actually get started. So it's not an issue there, either. Ergonomically it just works to have the shifter match your hand position. Ferrari street cars have column mounted paddles that are extremely long so you can catch them at nearly any point, but if you're crossed up in an autocross in one of them you'll still have issues getting to the paddle, so your argument is specious.

And the race cars?

That's not a steering wheel, that's a steering yoke for a race car - hands have only one position to exist and the steering rack is super high ratio.

Sweepers have a large turn radius, so even on a street car, this means steering wheel input is small.

[CaminoRacer]

Column mounted FTW. Anytime you're gonna get confused where they are, you will also get confused with wheel-mounted ones. But you shouldn't be confused where the column ones are mounted, since they're always in the same spot.