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[Soup DeVille]

They replaced that.

Well, there goes my usefulness.

[Payman]

I hope you get it fixed, but from this point on I shall be dismissing all negative comments about Fiat and 1.4T MultiAir unreliability.

[veeman]

Interesting Edmunds forum long thread on this issue posted a few years ago:

http://www.sonicownersforum.com/forum/1-8l-sonic-engine-discussion/1234-intermittent-starting-no-crank.html

[2o6]

I hope you get it fixed, but from this point on I shall be dismissing all negative comments about Fiat and 1.4T MultiAir unreliability.

The engine is fine.


It's the rest of the car, plus what may have been a shitty tune.



Besides, a stuck open waste gate is a lot different of a failure than...burnt rings or hemmoraging oil.



The Fiats are less than mediocre in regards to build quality and reliability - my friends 1.4NA Gucci Fiat has the same miles, and also doesn't start every time. And it has a tendency to belch and bellow smoke occasionally.

Interesting Edmunds forum long thread on this issue posted a few years ago:

http://www.sonicownersforum.com/forum/1-8l-sonic-engine-discussion/1234-intermittent-starting-no-crank.html

Mine is a Turbo. They're not really similar at all, either.

[ifcar]

Mine is a Turbo. They're not really similar at all, either.

That thread didn't seem to be about an engine issue, though.

[Payman]

The engine is fine.


It's the rest of the car, plus what may have been a shitty tune.



Besides, a stuck open waste gate is a lot different of a failure than...burnt rings or hemmoraging oil.



The Fiats are less than mediocre in regards to build quality and reliability - my friends 1.4NA Gucci Fiat has the same miles, and also doesn't start every time. And it has a tendency to belch and bellow smoke occasionally.



Mine is a Turbo. They're not really similar at all, either.

Dismissed.

[2o6]

That thread didn't seem to be about an engine issue, though.

That's not what my car is doing. It's cranking and until the auto start times out, but something isn't getting fuel. That car didn't crank or acknowledge the key.


My car turns right over on the 2nd try with no hesitation - if it was a fuel or spark issue it would likely have some hesitation upon starting. If it was an air issue, it would likely stall immediately, or run like trash until warmed up, if it would run at all.

For some reason, the ECU isn't sending the engine fuel. I don't think it's a fuel pump because I have zero drivability issues. I think it's the ECU itself.

[2o6]

The biggest problem I have is with the dealer I bought it from. I still only have maybe 1 invoice for all of the times I've been there. I can't say that all of these things are replaced, but have zero paperwork.


And to top it off, they told me this was NORMAL OPERATION after citing some service bulletin that they won't tell me or can seem to find the number to.

[Soup DeVille]

That's not what my car is doing. It's cranking and until the auto start times out, but something isn't getting fuel. That car didn't crank or acknowledge the key.


My car turns right over on the 2nd try with no hesitation - if it was a fuel or spark issue it would likely have some hesitation upon starting. If it was an air issue, it would likely stall immediately, or run like trash until warmed up, if it would run at all.

For some reason, the ECU isn't sending the engine fuel. I don't think it's a fuel pump because I have zero drivability issues. I think it's the ECU itself.

If you turn the key to run, let it wait for five to ten seconds, and then crank does it still do it?

[2o6]

If you turn the key to run, let it wait for five to ten seconds, and then crank does it still do it?

Yes.

[2o6]

Believe me, I thought of most everything. I initially suspected fuel pump - and I'd cycle the key to see if it was priming as it should.


The car is priming - most of the sonic forum guys think it's the ECU, because it starts up right away as normal.

[2o6]

With that said, I called the Dealer where I bought the car and they seem more amicable to working with me and the other dealer.


I was nice...but I know that I can get GM customer care to step on them if need be.

[AutobahnSHO]

With that said, I called the Dealer where I bought the car and they seem more amicable to working with me and the other dealer.

Hope it's resolved relatively painless.  These problems can get stressful, even without the financial stress.

[CaminoRacer]

And people say carbs are complicated.

[2o6]

They replaced ECM under warranty.


They said it wasn't getting enough ground, and thus wouldn't always kick on the injectors.


They're keeping it another day to make sure it doesn't do it again, but right now everything is ok.

[Char]

Something similar happened to me in my last E90. If I coasted with the clutch in, the car would sometimes stall, so even at 50mph, the RPM would drop to 1000, bounce, and then zero out. Scary stuff.

[CaminoRacer]

Something similar happened to me in my last E90. If I coasted with the clutch in, the car would sometimes stall, so even at 50mph, the RPM would drop to 1000, bounce, and then zero out. Scary stuff.

Yeah that's happened to me many times. The first 2-3 times were because the ignition coil died, then last time was because the engine destroyed itself. Either way I've become very good at pulling over the side of the road.

[AutobahnSHO]

Sweet!

[AutobahnSHO]

Something similar happened to me in my last E90. If I coasted with the clutch in, the car would sometimes stall, so even at 50mph, the RPM would drop to 1000, bounce, and then zero out. Scary stuff.

Unreliable junk.

[2o6]

The saga continues - I woke up this rainy Saturday morning, started the car, only to be greeted with a flashing CEL, and illuminated Traction Control light.


I'm pretty sure it's electrical.

[AutobahnSHO]

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

The saga continues - I woke up this rainy Saturday morning, started the car, only to be greeted with a flashing CEL, and illuminated Traction Control light.


I'm pretty sure it's electrical.

Sounds like a bad sensor on one the hubs to me.

[2o6]

Sounds like a bad sensor on one the hubs to me.

Hm, nah. The car was defnintely misfiring - so I don't then it was a hub or wheel speed sensor.

[Raza]

Time to sell and buy another Yaris.  You've had more problems with this car than I've had with 5 German cars in 15 years of car ownership. 

[Madman]

Is it too late to return it and void the deal?

[Payman]

Hm, nah. The car was defnintely misfiring - so I don't then it was a hub or wheel speed sensor.

Your patience is laudable, and you're a real trooper with the crap you've put up with, but you should've walked when the issues popped up on day one. In any case what's done is done and I hope this thing gets properly fixed. Maybe the dealer will let you trade for something else on the lot?

[2o6]

Time to sell and buy another Yaris.  You've had more problems with this car than I've had with 5 German cars in 15 years of car ownership.

Its the same problem. Also, I haven't paid a cent. This is a dealer issue, not a car issue, mostly. The initial dealer threw parts at it before they made up a reason to basically get me to not come back (thus prompting a call to GM). The car has never left me stranded, stopped running, or anything etc. I also still like the car.

Your patience is laudable, and you're a real trooper with the crap you've put up with, but you should've walked when the issues popped up on day one. In any case what's done is done and I hope this thing gets properly fixed. Maybe the dealer will let you trade for something else on the lot?

It's a dealer issue. Maybe I should have, but the dealer assured me they'd handle all of the issues before I took delivery, and the car had low miles etc. Maybe I should have gone for the other Sonic that popped up the same day I went to pick up the one I have.





It's clearly an electrical issue - there's no real point to "trading it in" when it's all been related to one issue and a dealer.





On most GM cars, the Stabilitrak is the first to illuminate when the ECM isn't getting enough power/ground. Remember, the car had an issue with the injectors not coming on (I could have sworn I said this in this thread but maybe not), intermittently. They replaced the ECM, but they could have just as easily half-assed this as well. The car isn't misfiring because of a spark issue, it was misfiring because all of the injectors didn't kick on - which seems odd and related to a power/ground issue rather than a new issue - this is the same issue. These aren't new issues that keep popping up because of the car, this is a dealer(s) who don't know how to diagnose things. And to be fair, new cars are complicated and sometimes shit happens.

[2o6]

This has destroyed my faith in any GM dealer far more than the car.

[Soup DeVille]

Seems like the dealer(s) have so far made every attempt to make things right.

[2o6]

Seems like the dealer(s) have so far made every attempt to make things right.

Like


- Not Giving me invoices

- Quoting a made-up service bulletin telling me this is normal operation, prompting me to call GM to get a 2nd opinion?


The second dealer has actually taken steps to diagnose and solve my problem - I'm not upset with them.



The First dealer is the one who told me that not starting was normal operation, didn't give me any invoices after several requests (only gave me some after I called GM), and I still don't have a TSB number for this mysterous "normal operation" for the car not always starting on the first try. They threw parts at it, but didn't really attempt to diagnose anything, tbh. Maybe they did. I don't know. The fact they just told me BS to get me out of the service department is BS.