My New Car

Started by SJ_GTI, August 19, 2016, 02:33:31 PM

MrH

Quote from: GoCougs on August 23, 2016, 02:43:40 PM
ATTESA E-TS (higher-po version in the G, Q, etc.) is a not a full-time AWD system - it sends 100% to the rear until needed elsewhere.

The Nissan system uses a traditional transfer case (bolted to the rear of the transmission) with a separate drive shaft running to a separate front diff. AFAIK it is unique for a modern car.

Not totally unique.  There's a few doing similar things.  The Panamera comes to mind (the drive shaft going forward is actually at a funky angle and goes through the transmission housing.  It's bizarre).

I love the GT-R layout.  Engine, to drive shaft, to transaxle in the rear, then another drive shaft going back to the front diff.  There are two drive shafts running the length of the car pretty much.
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Put a JApanese flag, a bidet and an 80s style control panel loaded with buttons on it and it's accurate. Even looks like the GT-R
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: MrH on August 23, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
I love the GT-R layout.  Engine, to drive shaft, to transaxle in the rear, then another drive shaft going back to the front diff.  There are two drive shafts running the length of the car pretty much.

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Cookie Monster

Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 23, 2016, 09:53:46 PM
Oh great, two things to break and impale myself with.

Does your driveshaft like to routinely pop through the floorboards and impale you from time to time? :confused: :lol:

Better stick to FWD then. :nono:
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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BimmerM3

Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 23, 2016, 10:10:33 PM
Does your driveshaft like to routinely pop through the floorboards and impale you from time to time? :confused: :lol:

Better stick to FWD then. :nono:

:lol:

68_427

Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 23, 2016, 10:10:33 PM
Does your driveshaft like to routinely pop through the floorboards and impale you from time to time? :confused: :lol:

Better stick to FWD then. :nono:

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CaminoRacer

Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 23, 2016, 10:10:33 PM
Does your driveshaft like to routinely pop through the floorboards and impale you from time to time? :confused: :lol:

Better stick to FWD then. :nono:

Friend of mine busted his back in July while doing a dyno run. New LS motor of some silly HP rating. (Idk how much considering the dyno run was never completed :lol: ) Didn't actually go through the floor, but made a good dent.
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GoCougs

Quote from: MrH on August 23, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
Not totally unique.  There's a few doing similar things.  The Panamera comes to mind (the drive shaft going forward is actually at a funky angle and goes through the transmission housing.  It's bizarre).

I love the GT-R layout.  Engine, to drive shaft, to transaxle in the rear, then another drive shaft going back to the front diff.  There are two drive shafts running the length of the car pretty much.

Panamera though looks to use a clutch pack to engage the rear - ATTESA-ETS uses a traditional transfer case (i.e., rear is permanently engaged (i.e., no clutches or the like) and the front is intermittently engaged):




CaminoRacer

What part of that disengages the front?
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 24, 2016, 10:23:39 PM
What part of that disengages the front?

I don't think it does... does that mean the Panamera has a FWD biased system? :mask: :nono: :pullover:
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

CaminoRacer

Oh, that's the Panamera. Now it makes sense. :lol:
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: CaminoRacer on August 25, 2016, 06:31:12 AM
Oh, that's the Panamera. Now it makes sense. :lol:

I had to right click and view image to make sure it was the Panamera too. :lol:
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

FoMoJo

Quote from: GoCougs on August 24, 2016, 07:24:05 PM
Panamera though looks to use a clutch pack to engage the rear - ATTESA-ETS uses a traditional transfer case (i.e., rear is permanently engaged (i.e., no clutches or the like) and the front is intermittently engaged):




Looks similar to the setup in my '78 Ford Bronco; except there was a differential instead of a clutch pack and no direct drive to the front axle.  Interesting result was that any wheel on a slick surface would spin unless the differential was locked; which was done by a switch activating a locking mechanism. 
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Congrats on the new ride!

(But 40k USD for a fancy Golf? I didn't know people would pay for such a thing)
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Quote from: SVT_Power on August 25, 2016, 09:08:23 PM
Congrats on the new ride!

(But 40k USD for a fancy Golf? I didn't know people would pay for such a thing)

Think of it as an Audi TT with cargo space, and now it's a bargain.

GoCougs

My hunch is they've left something off the diagram. Note that the front drive gear in the t-case is just hanging in space. Maybe they have something on the other side of the front ring gear.

MX793

Quote from: GoCougs on August 25, 2016, 10:24:01 PM
My hunch is they've left something off the diagram. Note that the front drive gear in the t-case is just hanging in space. Maybe they have something on the other side of the front ring gear.

I think that the stack of plates in the transfer case is a clutch pack to engage the front axle.  ATTESA's transfer case with clutch instead of a traditional center diff is basically what Porsche used on the 959 and 964 and now uses on the Cayenne and Panamera.
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SJ_GTI

Quote from: ifcar on August 25, 2016, 10:16:01 PM
Think of it as an Audi TT with cargo space, and now it's a bargain.

:lol:

Or, you know, an Audi S3 hatchback with a 6-speed manual.  :devil:

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Quote from: SVT_Power on August 25, 2016, 09:08:23 PM
Congrats on the new ride!

(But 40k USD for a fancy Golf? I didn't know people would pay for such a thing)
Put it like this.... for 40K nobody else makes a car this fast, this refined, and this spacious/practical. Everything else at this price point is compromised in ways that make them worse daily drivers.
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AutobahnSHO

yeah, the only only complaint I would have is the non-sunroof.   :cry:
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MX793

Quote from: SJ_GTI on August 26, 2016, 05:44:05 AM
:lol:

Or, you know, an Audi S3 hatchback with a 6-speed manual.  :devil:

I like to think of it as being like an elephant, only with wheels, an engine, and no trunk.  Also, made of metal.
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CaminoRacer

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Quote from: MX793 on August 26, 2016, 04:57:47 AM
I think that the stack of plates in the transfer case is a clutch pack to engage the front axle.

Could be, if the gear is attached to the clutch plates and the output shaft just runs through it. Not the most obvious answer, but possible.

Edit: nah but then the output shaft would have to run through the clutches too, which is weird and probably not possible.
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YT blocked here but I'm guessing it's TST's 340i M-Sport One Take? :lol:
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MrH

:lol:  Yes.  I thought the exact same thing when I saw that pop up in my youtube feed this morning.
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Farah's One Takes are fantastic.

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I've been meaning to check out his podcast. Apparently it has a good following. Anyone heard it yet?
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