FJ Cruiser Test

[93JC]

Must have been a pretty damn unpopular option.

[Raza]

Like vocal cords on women.

[Rupert]

Grow up.

[Raza]

Grow up.

It was almost 2AM and the board was dead.  I had to say something.  I obviously had nothing left to contribute to the thread, so that's what you got.

[mazda6er]

Grow up.

It was almost 2AM and the board was dead.  I had to say something.  I obviously had nothing left to contribute to the thread, so that's what you got.

Psilos has clearly never dealt with women, or he'd be spiteful too.      

[Rupert]

Maybe the women I deal with are of a higher caliber than the ones you deal with.

[mazda6er]

Maybe the women I deal with are of a higher caliber than the ones you deal with.

I'd be almost certain that you're correct. Were do you find them?   :D  

[SVT666]

Maybe the women I deal with are of a higher caliber than the ones you deal with.

I'd be almost certain that you're correct. Were do you find them?   :D

NOT in the bar    

[SVT666]

I think the FJ is kinda wierd looking.  I hope it looks tougher in person then it does in pictures, because in pictures it looks a little...soft.

[Tom]

I think the FJ is kinda wierd looking.  I hope it looks tougher in person then it does in pictures, because in pictures it looks a little...soft.

I would be overjoyed if it just looked plain.

[Rupert]

Maybe the women I deal with are of a higher caliber than the ones you deal with.

I'd be almost certain that you're correct. Were do you find them?   :D

NOT in the bar  

Depends on the bar...

[TBR]

Just trying to cover all the bases for the non-US people.  Besides, you couldn't get a diesel in the US "Pickup" after the mid 80s or so, while it remained common overseas in the Hilux.

What do you think about the Xterra?

You couldn't get a diesel in the US whatsoever, if I remember correctly.
In any case, up here Toyota doesn't even sell the Land Cruiser anymore.


I think the Xterra is essentially the same formula of cheesy looks and marketing in order to appeal to douchebags who think it's cool, just not quite as vulgar as the FJ Cruiser. Catman's right in noting the FJ Cruiser has absolutely no advantage over the Xterra.

I am surprised to see you talk so poorly of the Xterra considering it is the closest thing to the Cherokee that is currently available.  

[ifcar]

93JC will be happy to tell you that he only respects one current SUV, and the rest are worthless pretenders.  

[Catman]

There's nothing wrong with the XTerra.  It's got more capability than 99% of the SUV's out there.

[ifcar]

I would personally agree.  

[SVT666]

There's nothing wrong with the XTerra.  It's got more capability than 99% of the SUV's out there.

I really like the X-Terra (especially since I'm an off-roader), but I am also a family man and the X-Terra is only good for one of those people...not both.  The back doors are so small that it makes getting in and out difficult for anyone older then 12.  If I had teenagers right now, there is no way I would even give the X-Terra a second look.  Unfortunately the only SUV's on the market that are great off-road AND can haul 4 adults comfortably and all their luggage (and doesn't look like a cartoon [H3]) cost $80,000.  That's why I'll be buying crew cab pickups for a long time...even if I didn't require a pickup (which I do).

[93JC]

93JC will be happy to tell you that he only respects one current SUV, and the rest are worthless pretenders.

Two, wienerdink. TJ and Defender.  


There isn't anything "wrong" with the Xterra per se, but I find the whole premise of it: a Pathfinder designed to appeal to "outdoorsy" people (read: yuppie scum), utterly revolting.

The fact that it has "more capability than 99% of the SUV's out there" (which is true) is a sad reflection of the ineptitude of the today's competition: the Xterra, in the grand scheme of things, is not particularly good offroad.

[ifcar]

I meant on sale in the US. That leaves one that you give a passing grade.

It would be like saying that the Lexus LS430 is the only quiet car, that the Lotus Elise is the only car that handles well, or that the only cars that are fast enough cost $200,000 or more.  

[93JC]

The difference in offroad ability between a TJ and anything else is enormous. The difference in quietness between an LS430 and its competition is not nearly as large, nor is the difference in handling prowess between an Elise and other sports cars.

[Catman]

I think when you're talking SUV's going off road most tend to think of other SUV's.  Jeeps (Wranglers) are in a complete class by themselves.  

For the most part I think the off-road talk (from buyers and manufacturers) is stressed way too much.  We all know that most never go off road and those that do see very little.  It's talked about too much.

Hey, even Sequoia owners (Stargazer from TundraSolutions.com) venture off road occasionally. :D



Looks like some fun!  Beautiful Vancouver.  I need to get some of those BFG's on my ride.

[93JC]

I think when you're talking SUV's going off road most tend to think of other SUV's.  Jeeps (Wranglers) are in a complete class by themselves.

Exactly, because everything else sucks!

For the most part I think the off-road talk (from buyers and manufacturers) is stressed way too much.? We all know that most never go off road and those that do see very little.? It's talked about too much.

Most likely. But then I end up asking myself a question: "If you [a hypothetical SUV buyer with no care for offroad ability] want an SUV with the capability of a car, why not just buy a car?"

Cars are much better at being cars than SUvs are at pretending to be cars.

Hey, even Sequoia owners (Stargazer from TundraSolutions.com) venture off road occasionally. :D

Amusingly there are four other vehicles besides the Sequoia in the two pictures, and three are Jeeps.

(None of the three are Wranglers either.)

Looks like some fun!?

It is fun.

Beautiful Vancouver.

That must be on Vancouver Island, or well to the north of Vancouver, 'cause while I haven't been to BC I'm pretty sure Vancouver looks nothing like that.    

[Catman]

Beautiful area.  Ever been there Jeep?

[93JC]

...I haven't been to BC ....

 

[93JC]

Well, okay, technically I was a passenger in a car driving through BC from Montana to Alberta, so I have been on British Columbian land, so to say I've never been to BC is a lie.

But I've never been to the coast.

[Catman]

...I haven't been to BC ....

I was trying to find out the exact area but he didn't specify.

If I was going on a trip like that I think I'd nix the running boards.  They actually come off pretty easily.

[93JC]

If I was going on a trip like that I think I'd nix the running boards.  They actually come off pretty easily.

I was going to make a disparaging remark earlier about Sequoia owners not knowing to nix the running boards, but decided against it.  :P

In any case, pushing the Sequoia far enough (difficulty-wise) would probably result in them... "being removed for you".    

[Catman]

If I was going on a trip like that I think I'd nix the running boards.  They actually come off pretty easily.

I was going to make a disparaging remark earlier about Sequoia owners not knowing to nix the running boards, but decided against it.  :P

In any case, pushing the Sequoia far enough (difficulty-wise) would probably result in them... "being removed for you".  

Exactly. :P   I think they're like $600 a piece to replace so the 30 minutes taken to remove them doesn't seem too taxing.  Not that the Sequoia is an ideal off roader but at least it has a solid axle.  It's too big for a lot of trails.  Every year I go way up in the mountains in ME, nothing too crazy.  Mostly crappy logging roads, etc.  The kids enjoy it though.  

[Raza]

Most likely. But then I end up asking myself a question: "If you [a hypothetical SUV buyer with no care for offroad ability] want an SUV with the capability of a car, why not just buy a car?"

Cars are much better at being cars than SUvs are at pretending to be cars.

I said something like that once.  Then half the forum wanted me killed.

:ph34r:  

[thewizard16]

Most likely. But then I end up asking myself a question: "If you [a hypothetical SUV buyer with no care for offroad ability] want an SUV with the capability of a car, why not just buy a car?"

Cars are much better at being cars than SUvs are at pretending to be cars.

I said something like that once.  Then half the forum wanted me killed.

:ph34r:

Well, they obviously didn't want you dead very badly, or they have very poor hitmen.  :P  :D  

[ifcar]

Most likely. But then I end up asking myself a question: "If you [a hypothetical SUV buyer with no care for offroad ability] want an SUV with the capability of a car, why not just buy a car?"

Cars are much better at being cars than SUvs are at pretending to be cars.

I said something like that once.  Then half the forum wanted me killed.

:ph34r:

What we said (at least what I said) was that some people only want an SUV, and for those who don't need actual SUV abilities find what they want in car-based SUVs and crossovers.