Fiat closer to fulfilling its destiny once again

Started by 12,000 RPM, November 21, 2016, 11:36:51 AM

12,000 RPM

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MrH

Or wait 9 months and get one used for 50% off.

Fiat has big quality/reliability issues, and an even bigger problem with depreciation.

I'd be up for the Fiata coming down $5k or depreciating like a 500, but I doubt it will be nearly as bad.
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Raza

That's absolutely the most fun car you can get for $20K on the primary market. 
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

MrH

Why buy a new one though?  They depreciate so bad.
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MrH

Yeah.  2,000 miles and it's selling for over 30% off MSRP.  Pretty atrocious, and you're going to get hosed with even more depreciation if you buy one.

I don't even like the way they look, but a used Fiesta ST is a much, much better deal.
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Raza

Quote from: MrH on November 21, 2016, 12:34:38 PM
Yeah.  2,000 miles and it's selling for over 30% off MSRP.  Pretty atrocious, and you're going to get hosed with even more depreciation if you buy one.

I don't even like the way they look, but a used Fiesta ST is a much, much better deal.

Ugh, I couldn't look at it day-in, day-out, and feel good about myself. 


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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

2o6

But the Fiat is ok?


C'mon, they're both A-B segment hatchbacks.




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Submariner

Quote from: 2o6 on November 21, 2016, 01:08:24 PM
But the Fiat is ok?


C'mon, they're both A-B segment hatchbacks.





There is something so cool about the 500 though.

It's a pity they're having such trouble.  I actually see them all over the city.  Hopefully Fiat gets their act together, though interactions with my lineage tells me that isn't a likely outcome. 
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2o6

My ex had a 500 Cabrio, gucci edition. Automatic.



I have never felt more gay whilst being in a car.

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Quote from: 2o6 on November 21, 2016, 01:24:48 PM
My ex had a 500 Cabrio, gucci edition. Automatic.



I have never felt more gay whilst being in a car.


:lol:
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Raza

Quote from: 2o6 on November 21, 2016, 01:08:24 PM
But the Fiat is ok?


C'mon, they're both A-B segment hatchbacks.

The Fiat looks great.  Even the new Supersized Mini looks better than the Fiesta. 

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MX793

Yes, but the Fiesta won't spend an appreciable amount of time at the dealership with problems that the service guys insist are "normal" or "they all do that".

Listening to some Abarth owners I know exchange "did this break on yours?" stories reminds me of a time when I took my Mazda in for its annual state inspection and listened to a pair of MKIV Jetta owners (Mazda dealer also sold VW) exchange stories of stuff on their cars that had required replacement or repairs, much of it things I've never heard of failing on a late model vehicle.
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12,000 RPM

Raza not even your brand snobbery can overcome the 500's mediocrity :lol:

We can't talk about looks without addressing the 500's microcephaly. It combines the practicality of an FR-S with the looks of a SWB PT Cruiser and seating position of an Applebee's bar stool.

Fiesta isn't Italian but it's better by every objective and subjective metric for about the same money (in terms of cost of ownership). When Fiat folds I don't want to revise history like Madman with all the other defunct third rate southern European brands.
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Quote from: MX793 on November 21, 2016, 02:20:55 PM
Yes, but the Fiesta won't spend an appreciable amount of time at the dealership with problems that the service guys insist are "normal" or "they all do that".

Listening to some Abarth owners I know exchange "did this break on yours?" stories reminds me of a time when I took my Mazda in for its annual state inspection and listened to a pair of MKIV Jetta owners (Mazda dealer also sold VW) exchange stories of stuff on their cars that had required replacement or repairs, much of it things I've never heard of failing on a late model vehicle.

Fiesta doesn't seem like an awesome car for reliability either:
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Ford_Fiesta/Reliability/

For full disclosure, US News doesn't have a reliability rating for the 500.  But 2/5 isn't exactly inspiring for the Fiesta. 
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 21, 2016, 02:22:25 PM
Raza not even your brand snobbery can overcome the 500's mediocrity :lol:

We can't talk about looks without addressing the 500's microcephaly. It combines the practicality of an FR-S with the looks of a SWB PT Cruiser and seating position of an Applebee's bar stool.

Fiesta isn't Italian but it's better by every objective and subjective metric for about the same money (in terms of cost of ownership). When Fiat folds I don't want to revise history like Madman with all the other defunct third rate southern European brands.

This time it's not brand snobbery; I don't mind Ford as a brand.  But the Fiesta is pretty damn ugly and cheap looking.  I've driven a 500 Abarth, that's all I need to know about why I'd buy one.  It's a damn fun car, looks and feels premium, and sounds great. 
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2o6

Quote from: Raza  on November 21, 2016, 03:38:02 PM
Fiesta doesn't seem like an awesome car for reliability either:
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Ford_Fiesta/Reliability/

For full disclosure, US News doesn't have a reliability rating for the 500.  But 2/5 isn't exactly inspiring for the Fiesta.


Most of the Fiesta's woes are for the automatic transmission.



I don't understand why you keep saying the Fiat 500 is some paragon of reliability. It's a dumpy car.

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Quote from: 2o6 on November 21, 2016, 03:57:31 PM

Most of the Fiesta's woes are for the automatic transmission.



I don't understand why you keep saying the Fiat 500 is some paragon of reliability. It's a dumpy car.

Paragon of reliability... like a Sonic?  ;)

12,000 RPM

Quote from: Raza  on November 21, 2016, 03:39:47 PM
This time it's not brand snobbery; I don't mind Ford as a brand.  But the Fiesta is pretty damn ugly and cheap looking.
:confused:

Does this look attractive or expensive?



[img]http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/fiat-500-abarth-12.jpg?itok=8heRwTLn/img]

This looks like the top trim of 3rd world poverty.
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Raza

Quote from: 2o6 on November 21, 2016, 03:57:31 PM

Most of the Fiesta's woes are for the automatic transmission.



I don't understand why you keep saying the Fiat 500 is some paragon of reliability. It's a dumpy car.

Where did I once say the 500 was reliable?  :confused:
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Raza

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2o6

Quote from: Rockraven on November 21, 2016, 04:07:38 PM
Paragon of reliability... like a Sonic?  ;)

Eh. I knew what I was getting into.


Quote from: Raza  on November 21, 2016, 04:39:58 PM
Yes. It is attractive; perhaps not expensive, but certainly premium compared to the class.

No it's not. It's got some body colored trim, but the plastics and sound deadening are just like everyone else's. Even worse than some cars.

Raza

Quote from: 2o6 on November 21, 2016, 04:49:18 PM
Eh. I knew what I was getting into.


No it's not. It's got some body colored trim, but the plastics and sound deadening are just like everyone else's. Even worse than some cars.

I'm sorry, but if you don't think that this:


looks like a better and more premium place to be than this:


undoubtedly PlaySkool looking robot vagina interior, then I can't help you. (Actually, in that picture, it looks better than I remembered it, but the 500 still looks better; some style, some flash, some panache, not just another black plastic expanse that's trying to look futuristic)
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

2o6

I've driven both. They feel about the same to be in.

MrH

Lol! Playskool looking robot vagina describes all ford interiors lately.

First time I sat in the current Escape, I said it looked like Darth Vader's snatch. Glad we're on the same page
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veeman

Gotta agree with Raza here.  I don't know about expensive or premium, but the Abarth certainly looks cool compared with the Fiesta both interior and exterior wise. 

I don't understand how the interior of Ford's look like vaginas though.  Plasticky play school robot yes; vagina no.  They don't appear to have a pink hue or a center long vertically oriented crevice. 

Soup DeVille

Quote from: MrH on November 21, 2016, 05:07:38 PM
Lol! Playskool looking robot vagina describes all ford interiors lately.


It actually makes them sound more intriguing.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Payman

Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 21, 2016, 05:58:36 PM
It actually makes them sound more intriguing.

Shaved and sleek is much better than big hairy growler.