I know I'm crazy but am I off with this?

[ifcar]

It's the exact same size as the Accord.  They took the TL, which was slightly larger than the Accord, and the TSX, which was slightly smaller, and merged them into a single model that is the exact same size as the Accord.

Thus making room for the Civic-sized ILX, which will be a great TSX replacement once they base it on the current Civic.

[12,000 RPM]

Thus making room for the Civic-sized ILX, which will be a great TSX replacement once they base it on the current Civic.

Yea this is what I'm waiting to see too. It will be too $$$ for my  timeline though

MX793 the Accord is growing on me. Chassis is really good, fits in my garage, relaxing to drive, looks good lowered. And yea, rear facing infant seat is key.

[Xer0]

Thus making room for the Civic-sized ILX, which will be a great TSX replacement once they base it on the current Civic.

As an owner of the current Civic and having extensive seat time in the new Civic, this statement is so true it hurts.  The current Civic is a better "luxury" car than the current ILX. 

[Tave]

Acura used to make sense back when they offered premium interiors and styling over Honda. Now that they're uglier and don't really make the inside a nicer place to be...why bother?

[12,000 RPM]

The Accord looks as good as the TLX in top trim but in cheapo base trim? Nah.

And the new Civic ranges from mildly offensive to "why did you buy that" hideous. ILX won't light the world on fire but it's not ugly. Next one should be really nice though.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Acura used to make sense back when they offered premium interiors and styling over Honda. Now that they're uglier and don't really make the inside a nicer place to be...why bother?

[MX793]

Babies?

- Whoooaaaaa Nelly..... she's a big girl noowwwwww, no more daddy's little girrrrrllllll.... too fucking big man. I mainly got it to see if I could live with/get over this size of a car... I can't, no fucking way. Def getting a C-segment warm/hot hatch. I'd get a B-segment hot hatch if they sold any here with a decent back sea

[Tave]

The Accord looks as good as the TLX in top trim but in cheapo base trim? Nah.

It looks better in all trims, but point being you can get an EX-L V6 for less than the base MSRP on a TLX, and you can get the 4 cylinder with loaded interiors for waaaaay less than the TLX. I think the sweet spot is the Sport SE: manual, 10-way adjustable heated leather seats, 19" alloys, dual climate, etc..., and all for 25K.

And the new Civic ranges from mildly offensive to "why did you buy that" hideous. ILX won't light the world on fire but it's not ugly. Next one should be really nice though.

No offense man but your Civic isn't anything remotely special in the looks department. I'd go as far as calling it just as ugly if not more so than the new one. It is, however, better looking than the ILX with its terrible schnoz, and I wouldn't hold out much hope for Acura's styling treatment on the new one either.

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It looks better in all trims, but point being you can get an EX-L V6 for less than the base MSRP on a TLX, and you can get the 4 cylinder with loaded interiors for waaaaay less than the TLX. I think the sweet spot is the Sport SE: manual, 10-way adjustable heated leather seats, 19" alloys, dual climate, etc..., and all for 25K.

Looks wise.... everyone has their right to an opinion I guess. And a 4 banger Accord equipped like a TLX is only gonna be like $2-3K less. For me, the better looks, slicker automatic transmission, 4 wheel steering and LED headlights are definitely worth that premium. I get that shit like that doesn't matter to most people and for a wide range of people the Accord is the better buy, but that shit does matter to some people.

No offense man but your Civic isn't anything remotely special in the looks department. I'd go as far as calling it just as ugly if not more so than the new one. It is, however, better looking than the ILX with its terrible schnoz, and I wouldn't hold out much hope for Acura's styling treatment on the new one either.

Again, everyone has their right to an opinion. But I think an objective case for the current Civic hatchback being the ugliest Civic ever made could be convincingly argued. There are a lot of weird details and off proportions on it.

[r0tor]

Man TLXs are growing on me

I think I need to make sure my wheels/tires are still on my car 

[r0tor]

I think I need to make sure my wheels/tires are still on my car 

Meh nevermind... They overpaid for advans

[68_427]

Friends dont let friends run fake wheels

[r0tor]

Friends dont let friends run fake wheels

Nah, not that... I thought they were SSR's

[Lebowski]

Acura used to make sense back when they offered premium interiors and styling over Honda. Now that they're uglier and don't really make the inside a nicer place to be...why bother?

Yeah, I really don't understand what happened to Acura.

[MX793]

Yeah, I really don't understand what happened to Acura.

The same thing that happened to Honda in general (both cars an motorcycles) in the mid '00s.  They've stagnated.

[12,000 RPM]

Ehhhh........ Acura and 9th gen Civic aside, Honda still makes drivers' cars in mainstream segments with little to no sacrifice. Current Fit/Civic/Accord have great chassis tuning and segment competitive performance. Odyssey is a minivan that's fun to drive. We're well past the days of the likes of the S2000 and Integra Type R, but most of the regular offerings are as good as ever IMO.

[giant_mtb]

Ehhhh........ Acura and 9th gen Civic aside, Honda still makes drivers' cars in mainstream segments with little to no sacrifice. Current Fit/Civic/Accord have great chassis tuning and segment competitive performance. Odyssey is a minivan that's fun to drive. We're well past the days of the likes of the S2000 and Integra Type R, but most of the regular offerings are as good as ever IMO.

Fanboy statement of the year goes to..."a minivan that's fun to drive."

[AutobahnSHO]

Fanboy statement of the year goes to..."a minivan that's fun to drive."

Even I laugh at that one.

[12,000 RPM]

Fanboy statement of the year goes to..."a minivan that's fun to drive."

Rejoice, parents afraid of giving up any semblance of driving pleasure by switching to a minivan: The Odyssey remains among the very best minivans to drive.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-honda-odyssey-test-review

That left us with the Odyssey, which does not drive like a van. On the road, it's like a bulked-up Accord, and with the way I send it juking and jiving through parking lots, you'd think I was piloting a CRX. It's an impeccably balanced machine, not just given its broad range of capabilities but, yes, especially given its capabilities.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/06/gcbc-long-term-test-2015-honda-odyssey-ex.html

On the road and highway, you would think you were driving a car. The drive is very smooth and acceleration and handling are excellent.

http://www.wheels.ca/car-reviews/odyssey-fun-honda-van/

Guys I have no reason to lie. I descended into the abyss of absurdity long ago. But I know I'm not alone

[Soup DeVille]

Fanboy statement of the year goes to..."a minivan that's fun to drive."

It's all relative man.

The Odyssey shines when compared to a Sienna or a Caravan. I doubt he Pacifica has changed that.

[Eye of the Tiger]

It's all relative man.

The Odyssey shines when compared to a Sienna or a Caravan. I doubt he Pacifica has changed that.

Holy crap I fell asleep partway through reading the word Sien ... 

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Ehhhh........ Acura and 9th gen Civic aside, Honda still makes drivers' cars in mainstream segments with little to no sacrifice. Current Fit/Civic/Accord have great chassis tuning and segment competitive performance. Odyssey is a minivan that's fun to drive. We're well past the days of the likes of the S2000 and Integra Type R, but most of the regular offerings are as good as ever IMO.

I think Mazda has taken the Drivers Car Crown from Honda.....

[giant_mtb]

It's all relative man.

The Odyssey shines when compared to a Sienna or a Caravan. I doubt he Pacifica has changed that.

I know, I was just giving him a hard time.

[Raza]

Fanboy statement of the year goes to..."a minivan that's fun to drive."

[Submariner]

Celebrating a minivan that's "the best to drive" is like happily proclaiming your contraction of Syphilis; "the best STD to have".

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Celebrating a minivan that's "the best to drive" is like happily proclaiming your contraction of Syphilis; "the best STD to have".

It's like going to a hooker for a hug!

[CALL_911]

Won't lie, I had to drive a 2004 Odyssey around for a lil bit last year and it really wasn't bad. Thing was also quicker than I expected it to be (and I like the sound the Honda J series makes).

[AutobahnSHO]

Won't lie, I had to drive a 2004 Odyssey around for a lil bit last year and it really wasn't bad. Thing was also quicker than I expected it to be (and I like the sound the Honda J series makes).

Mine gets Italian tuneups every now and again. Really sounds good above 4k RPMs.

[Vinsanity]

You know, I thought long and hard about a V6 TLX with SH-AWD for a short time, until I saw this:

http://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability/the-most-and-least-reliable-cars-by-class/

and then this:

http://www.truedelta.com/Acura-TLX/reliability-1286

Finishing last place in reliability against the likes of the C-class, 3-series, A4, and ATS is quite a dubious "accomplishment". Apparently the main culprit here is the pointlessly complicated transmission.

[GoCougs]

Yikes, Chrysler and Ford mopping up...