¡Bought a MX5 RF!

Started by Laconian, January 19, 2017, 02:35:40 PM

Laconian

87/89/91. Mazda recommends 91.
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CaminoRacer

Shell isn't 87/89/93? That's what I see in most parts of the country nowadays. (High altitudes are 85/87/91)
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giant_mtb

Most of our local premium is 91.  Only a couple spots have 93.

68_427

For being the worst state in existence we seems to have 93 readily available.  At least in the western portion
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BimmerM3

Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 08, 2017, 01:58:06 PM
Shell isn't 87/89/93? That's what I see in most parts of the country nowadays. (High altitudes are 85/87/91)

I don't think I ever saw anything other than 87/89/93 in the Southeast, at least from a major gas brand. I never noticed a difference until I moved to CO, so I just assumed it was related to altitude.

Laconian

Hotter ambient air temps cause knock more readily, no?
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68_427

Quote from: Laconian on March 08, 2017, 10:29:18 PM
Hotter ambient air temps cause knock more readily, no?

This can have an effect, which can be increased by a leaner AF mixture that I'm sure most new cars, like SkyActive equipped ones are running these days.  Add this to the already super high CR and your best gas being 91 I can understand being nervous about doing any sort of tuning on your car.
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MrH

For power mods, it sounds like most of the gains people are seeing are from long headers and a tune. Yeah, I wouldn't be so hot on the idea of just flashing a new tune. Quiet a few issues people are having on the Miata forums. Luckily you've got the updated transmission, so you don't have to power about that.

Honestly, if you're looking for more power, I would just wait on the Edelbrock supercharger. A low boost, high efficiency super charger will probably give the best results with the least head ache. Higher up front cost, but worth it IMO.
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Laconian

Quote from: 68_427 on March 08, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
This can have an effect, which can be increased by a leaner AF mixture that I'm sure most new cars, like SkyActive equipped ones are running these days.  Add this to the already super high CR and your best gas being 91 I can understand being nervous about doing any sort of tuning on your car.

Lean AF? Lean As Fuck? Is that how you kids describe yourselves after you get "crunked" on "sizzurup"?
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: Laconian on March 09, 2017, 10:28:50 AM
Lean AF? Lean As Fuck? Is that how you kids describe yourselves after you get "crunked" on "sizzurup"?

Cale is hip but not that hip.

AF = air fuel ratio.

Intake/header/exhaust and tune gives you like 185 whp supposedly. I haven't looked into seeing how far they've pushed that number and that was a while ago, but there are some mad gains to be made with that motor I think. If the ND header is anything like the NC's, it's probably choking the motor half to death.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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SJ_GTI

I may be crazy but I think Laconian was making a joke about the AF reference.  :lol:

MrH

Quote from: Cookie Monster on March 09, 2017, 10:52:09 AM
Cale is hip but not that hip.

AF = air fuel ratio.

Intake/header/exhaust and tune gives you like 185 whp supposedly. I haven't looked into seeing how far they've pushed that number and that was a while ago, but there are some mad gains to be made with that motor I think. If the ND header is anything like the NC's, it's probably choking the motor half to death.

That was like one car with tons of time tuning it on a dyno over and over.  It doesn't seem like people are able to consistently get that number.

I think the NC motor actually had quite a bit more room for improvements than this SkyActive design.
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giant_mtb

Speaking of abbreviations, whenever I see RF, my brain thinks of radios.

Laconian

Quote from: MrH on March 09, 2017, 11:07:31 AM
That was like one car with tons of time tuning it on a dyno over and over.  It doesn't seem like people are able to consistently get that number.

I think the NC motor actually had quite a bit more room for improvements than this SkyActive design.

My bar for credibility is Flyin' Miata. If they claim they can do something, it can be done reliably. Right now their m0d page for the ND is this: :huh:
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MrH

Quote from: Laconian on March 09, 2017, 11:22:43 AM
My bar for credibility is Flyin' Miata. If they claim they can do something, it can be done reliably. Right now their m0d page for the ND is this: :huh:

Yeah, Kevin from FM is posting on the miata forum.  Sounds like they're working with Edelbrock to offer it on FM. 

This is what he said the other day in the Edelbrock thread: "I will point out that we have three NDs for a reason, though. Development is proceeding across several fronts. And that's all you're going to get until I have some significant information to provide."  So they've got a few things they're working on, but, you know, SKYACTIVE.
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Laconian

If SA-G is a tough nut to crack, then secrecy is totally expected. They want a good ROI on their investment.
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: MrH on March 09, 2017, 11:07:31 AM
That was like one car with tons of time tuning it on a dyno over and over.  It doesn't seem like people are able to consistently get that number.

I think the NC motor actually had quite a bit more room for improvements than this SkyActive design.

My motor with an intake/exhaust and tune = 144 whp.

:cry: :lol:
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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2 4 R

MrH

So the latest repeatable result it looks like people are getting with the ND: headers + tune goes from a stock 161 whp to 171 whp.

Yeah. Either the stock engine is way underrated (which might be true), or they picked a funk that shows everything high :lol: either way, 10 whp isn't that big of a deal. Might as well save up for a supercharger
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68_427

Maybe the 161whp is the bolt -ons without a tune?  Or at least an OTS tune.
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That's just stock supposedly. These chassis dyno numbers are crap.
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Quote from: Laconian on March 13, 2017, 09:57:43 PM
https://goo.gl/photos/pmSz5wvHpi1hhFaD8

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LOL uhoh

Good job of getting the camera in the right spot at the end as the start- you could almost endlessly loop it....   
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MrH

Kevin, how tall are you?

Sounds like the RF trims precious head room from an already tight soft top.
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: MrH on March 14, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
Kevin, how tall are you?

Sounds like the RF trims precious head room from an already tight soft top.

I fit in it just fine.
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Laconian

Quote from: MrH on March 14, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
Kevin, how tall are you?

Sounds like the RF trims precious head room from an already tight soft top.

5'11". I was tilted off to one side because I was filming the video.

Tall coworker tried the RF himself, said it was more cramped than the soft top.
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: Laconian on March 14, 2017, 02:12:19 PM
5'11". I was tilted off to one side because I was filming the video.

Tall coworker tried the RF himself, said it was more cramped than the soft top.

Top should be down all the time anyway.
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MrH

Quote from: Laconian on March 14, 2017, 02:12:19 PM
5'11". I was tilted off to one side because I was filming the video.

Tall coworker tried the RF himself, said it was more cramped than the soft top.

How tall was your coworker?
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