New Ford Expedition

[FoMoJo]

It's a Korean Suburban.  They even copied the ads   Ford even used what looks like a Korean copy of an Airstream

Even Ford's ad is much better. So scenic .

[GoCougs]

Nope, it saw the same switch to the Ecoboost V6 as the Expedition a couple of years ago and will also be fully redesigned for 2018.

Oh, I see. Can't remember the last time I saw one and god is it (that grill) ugly.

[GoCougs]

Excursion was based on heavy truck chassis, Burb based on light truck chassis.

The Excursion was based off the 3/4-ton Super Duty and back then there was such a thing a 3/4-ton Suburban based of HD GM trucks (don't think they have 'em today).

There were a wide variation in engines available in each, but typically, the stats were about even, though the Excursion had the edge in cargo space. In terms of everything else - comfort, handling, fit/finish, etc., the Suburban was leagues ahead.

[RomanChariot]

Excursion was based on heavy truck chassis, Burb based on light truck chassis.

My Suburban is a 2500 so it is the closest equivalent to the Excursion.

I don't think that was the length though. More so the awful steering used by that generation of Ford super duty trucks.

That is likely true. I don't have much experience with Ford super duty trucks. The steering did not have much feel but the Excursion was a capable heavy hauler.

The Excursion was based off the 3/4-ton Super Duty and back then there was such a thing a 3/4-ton Suburban based of HD GM trucks (don't think they have 'em today).

There were a wide variation in engines available in each, but typically, the stats were about even, though the Excursion had the edge in cargo space. In terms of everything else - comfort, handling, fit/finish, etc., the Suburban was leagues ahead.

Chevy quit making the 3/4 ton Suburban around 2014 from what I understand. From the 2007 model and up the 2500 is rare as hen's teeth which is sad because I would like to replace mine with a newer model someday but it is hard finding what I want and most dealers want a major premium for the 2500 models.

[veeman]

GM massively overcharges for the luxed up versions of the Tahoe/Yukon (Denali) and the 3rd row is cramped.  Escalade is stupid expensive almost.  IMHO they look awesome though.

Expedition will have much better 3rd row and mid level version will likely undercut a Denali by 10 grand.  Those factors alone would make me choose it over a GM even though I think the exterior styling isn't as good. 

Never been in a Sequoia.  I'm very happy with the Infiniti beheamoth even with the weird hot rod/semi truck had a kid look.  Never been in an Armada which is mostly the same thing. 

[giant_mtb]

Oh man, I totally forgot about the Sequoia...been so long since I've seen/noticed one.  Is the Sequoia based on the Tundra then?

[Submariner]

http://www.government-fleet.com/news/story/2016/06/chevrolet-expands-suburban-3500hd-to-police-fleets.aspx

Apparently they still do make a 3500 Suburban, but offer it only to agencies/fleet buyers.

And it starts at 80k.

[68_427]

GM massively overcharges for the luxed up versions of the Tahoe/Yukon (Denali) and the 3rd row is cramped.  Escalade is stupid expensive almost.  IMHO they look awesome though.

Expedition will have much better 3rd row and mid level version will likely undercut a Denali by 10 grand.  Those factors alone would make me choose it over a GM even though I think the exterior styling isn't as good. 

Never been in a Sequoia.  I'm very happy with the Infiniti beheamoth even with the weird hot rod/semi truck had a kid look.  Never been in an Armada which is mostly the same thing. 

Well of course a mid level trim will be cheaper than the competitors to trim

[veeman]

Well of course a mid level trim will be cheaper than the competitors to trim

I didn't say top level trim of Expedition because sometimes Ford has a very top level (KingRanchHarleyDavidsonEddieBauer version)that doesn't look or feel too much different than their middle version as opposed to GM's Denali which looks much more premium than GM's regular version.

[Laconian]

Harley, the Ranch King

[MrH]

Oh man, I totally forgot about the Sequoia...been so long since I've seen/noticed one.  Is the Sequoia based on the Tundra then?

I drive a Sequoia pretty often.  Woman's family had 2 of them, now they're down to one just down in Florida at their condo.  It's MASSIVE, but I love that thing.  It's no Land Cruiser, but I'd buy it over a GM or Ford competitor any day.

GM's pricing is way too high on these.  My 4Runner was $37k.  A pretty modestly equipped 4WD Tahoe is $51k.  It's slightly bigger than the 4Runner, but not in any way that provides much more usable space.  3rd row is a bit better, that's about it.

It's just not worth 40% more IMO.  I think part of the problem is the MSRP vs selling price on these.  It's so drastically different, and depends on what time of the year, but I think a lot of people write these vehicles off as too expensive just based on MSRP alone.

[BimmerM3]

It's just not worth 40% more IMO.

Especially since you're probably losing another 40% or more when you sell.

Even my super-conservative, born and raised in Podunk, AL, always driven American cars in the past step-dad has joined the Tacoma bandwagon for his next truck.

[MrH]

Especially since you're probably losing another 40% or more when you sell.

Even my super-conservative, born and raised in Podunk, AL, always driven American cars in the past step-dad has joined the Tacoma bandwagon for his next truck.

Yeah, you get totally murdered on the other end of the transaction too.

Just blows my mind people load up Tahoes to $70k.  Is it twice the vehicle of a 4Runner?  Not at all.

[Soup DeVille]

I drive a Sequoia pretty often.  Woman's family had 2 of them, now they're down to one just down in Florida at their condo.  It's MASSIVE, but I love that thing.  It's no Land Cruiser, but I'd buy it over a GM or Ford competitor any day.

GM's pricing is way too high on these.  My 4Runner was $37k.  A pretty modestly equipped 4WD Tahoe is $51k.  It's slightly bigger than the 4Runner, but not in any way that provides much more usable space.  3rd row is a bit better, that's about it.

It's just not worth 40% more IMO.  I think part of the problem is the MSRP vs selling price on these.  It's so drastically different, and depends on what time of the year, but I think a lot of people write these vehicles off as too expensive just based on MSRP alone.

The discounts and rebates on these trucks is astounding too, which just adds to the mystery of what they're actually going for.

[giant_mtb]

I saw an ad touting like $11,000 off Silverados.  The fuck do they have such high prices for if they're gonna give you $11k off anyway?  Just be straight. Get all this wheeling and dealing bullshit out of the way, especially for new vehicles.

[68_427]

I drive a Sequoia pretty often.  Woman's family had 2 of them, now they're down to one just down in Florida at their condo.  It's MASSIVE, but I love that thing.  It's no Land Cruiser, but I'd buy it over a GM or Ford competitor any day.

GM's pricing is way too high on these.  My 4Runner was $37k.  A pretty modestly equipped 4WD Tahoe is $51k.  It's slightly bigger than the 4Runner, but not in any way that provides much more usable space.  3rd row is a bit better, that's about it.

It's just not worth 40% more IMO.  I think part of the problem is the MSRP vs selling price on these.  It's so drastically different, and depends on what time of the year, but I think a lot of people write these vehicles off as too expensive just based on MSRP alone.

Wtf the Sequoia is shit

[giant_mtb]

I would never cross-shop a 4Runner and a Tahoe.  Two very different machines, IMO.

[Soup DeVille]

Tahoe is more akin to the Sequoia, I'd think.

[giant_mtb]

Tahoe is more akin to the Sequoia, I'd think.

Makes sense, considering a Sequoia starts at $45.5k.  Dunno why MrH is cross-comparing 4Runners and Tahoes.  That's like me comparing my Tacoma to a Silverado.   

[RomanChariot]

The Tahoe and the Sequoia are almost identical in size and pricing an 4WD LS trim Tahoe against a 4WD SR5 Sequoia they are within $1000 of each other.

[MrH]

Interior space wise, I don't think a Tahoe and Sequoia are all that close.  At least it doesn't feel that way driving and riding them.

[giant_mtb]

Is Sequoia more like an inbetween of Tahoe and Suburban?

[RomanChariot]

The Sequoia has less headroom than the Tahoe but it has more hip room and shoulder room. The Sequoia also has more cargo room. The Tahoe has more leg room in the first two rows but quite a bit less in the third row. Neither of them touch the volume of the Suburban behind the third row.

[Cookie Monster]

Makes sense, considering a Sequoia starts at $45.5k.  Dunno why MrH is cross-comparing 4Runners and Tahoes.  That's like me comparing my Tacoma to a Silverado.   

Not to mention you can't even get a V8 in the 4Runner (anymore) and you could never get a V6 in the Tahoe...

[ifcar]

I drive a Sequoia pretty often.  Woman's family had 2 of them, now they're down to one just down in Florida at their condo.  It's MASSIVE, but I love that thing.  It's no Land Cruiser, but I'd buy it over a GM or Ford competitor any day.

GM's pricing is way too high on these.  My 4Runner was $37k.  A pretty modestly equipped 4WD Tahoe is $51k.  It's slightly bigger than the 4Runner, but not in any way that provides much more usable space.  3rd row is a bit better, that's about it.

It's just not worth 40% more IMO.  I think part of the problem is the MSRP vs selling price on these.  It's so drastically different, and depends on what time of the year, but I think a lot of people write these vehicles off as too expensive just based on MSRP alone.

The Tahoe seems to have become less about interior space and more about the luxury and tough image of a big-looking car. Plus probably some of the extra height and width of the front seating position. It's definitely a fail as a family hauler compared to even a midsize crossover.

[2o6]

It's also mega refined, and I'm pretty sure it out tows the 4Runner.

[Rupert]

Not to mention you can't even get a V8 in the 4Runner (anymore) and you could never get a V6 in the Tahoe...

When could you get a V8 in a 4Runner? That would be news to me...

[Soup DeVille]

When could you get a V8 in a 4Runner? That would be news to me...

2003 to 2009.

[Rupert]

Whoa, really? Seems excessive.

[Soup DeVille]

Whoa, really? Seems excessive.

Welcome to America.