Tesla

[Payman]

One of the few times the 'Spin is united on something. 

[Raza]

Touchscreen control for two-speed windshield wipers! So much wrong with that, I can't unpack it right now.

[MX793]

The '75 Eldo had four speeds, plus intermittent. The only two speed wipers I can think of were on the old R-Model Mack ('82 but the design dates to the late '50s).

My Nissan and Mazda only had 3 speeds, IIRC.  The VW is somewhere between 6 and 8.  Mustang has like 8-10.

[12,000 RPM]

One of the few times the 'Spin is united on something. 

No, r0tor is still fighting the good fight. Why on Google Earth would anyone want a wiper stalk when they could go through several pages of menus? It's a no brainer.

[MrH]

https://seekingalpha.com/amp/article/4109668-morgan-stanley-admits-tesla-miss-2018-guidance-52-percent

[Tave]

No, r0tor is still fighting the good fight. Why on Google Earth would anyone want a wiper stalk when they could go through several pages of menus? It's a no brainer.

One button and zero page navigations. 

[Tave]

Judging from the reactions in here, I thought that video was going to show some poor shmuck driving their Model 3 into a tree during a rainstorm.

Instead all it really shows is a Tesla salesman being about as clueless as every other dealer. Meh.

[Soup DeVille]

Judging from the reactions in here, I thought that video was going to show some poor shmuck driving their Model 3 into a tree during a rainstorm.

Instead all it really shows is a Tesla salesman being about as clueless as every other dealer. Meh.

Fair enough; except we're talking about a Tesla dealer, and Tesla makes three damned cars.

[2o6]

Some of y'all thrive on being contrarian af; it's a shit setup, hands down.

[Raza]

Some of y'all thrive on being contrarian af; it's a shit setup, hands down.

My only wish is that it were phone linked. So while I'm texting instead of driving, the car can give me an alert on my phone to go into the app and turn on the wipers.



Seriously, my car had rain sensing wipers in 2002. Ultra high tech Tesla only has two speed wipers 15 years later?

[12,000 RPM]

Why do you need more than 2 speeds??????????

[Raza]

Why do you need more than 2 speeds??????????

Sometimes the rain isn't slow, but it isn't fast, either. It's why medium sized shirts exist.

[r0tor]

Why put controls on a steering wheel on a car thats designed to not have to have your hands on the steering wheel?

[Soup DeVille]

Why put controls on a steering wheel on a car thats designed to not have to have your hands on the steering wheel?

Why have a steering wheel at all?

[r0tor]

Why have a steering wheel at all?

Still mandated... Wait a few years

[CaminoRacer]

Rotor why are you defending a non-enthusiast company that wants to destroy cars as we know it?

[2o6]

Not to mention base model cars don't have autonomous features

[12,000 RPM]

Why put controls on a steering wheel on a car thats designed to not have to have your hands on the steering wheel?

Why put a steering wheel in such a car at all?

[2o6]

Why give it the proportions it has at all? If it's autonomous, it really should be a one box shape with a totally more unconventional interior.

[r0tor]

Rotor why are you defending a non-enthusiast company that wants to destroy cars as we know it?

I can look past my own wants and see something for what it is.

The 3 is turning moderately priced electric cars upside-down.  It's the first not to look like a complete econobox.  First to be stylish.  Will be the first to be impressive handling and accelerating.  It's also going to be pushing autonomous driving to the next level - which makes sense that things like interior design should also be changed.

It's something new and different.  It's going to get good and bad attention for it.  At least it's not another failed attempt and putting an electric drivetrain in an economy car, doubling the price of the car, and calling it revolutionary.

Personally, I like driving and I completely abhor infotainment systems.  The 3 isn't the car of my dreams.

For the people who are going to purchase it and let it drive them back and forth to work while they watch YouTube or failbook - the center screen makes all kinds of sense to house everything as that's where the "driver" is going to be paying attention to the most.

[2o6]

NO THE FUCK IT DOESN'T



All caps rage aside, there are several issues with this screen.


If it ever freezes or has any latency at all, it's going to be a serious hazard for the driver. The motion and interaction to use a touch screen versus tactile controls for stuff like wipers and speed is already 10X longer than a traditional setup. It's dangerous. If any other automaker tried this, they'd be sued to the moon. The amount of effort it takes to use this and take your eyes off the road is very dangerous. Not to mention, it doesn't look to be the most robust of setups (Tesla has issues with the big screens in the S and X; and just about every car ever has had issues with infotainment setups freezing). Hell, my iPhone is fairly reliable, but still sometimes freezes and has to restart. In a $500 phone, it's an inconvenience. With a car that's moving 60MPH, that's potentially dangerous. And since there's no redundancies anywhere....it spells disaster and danger for the operator.


Navigating thru menus to turn the WIPERS on is dangerous. It's not just stupid, it's dangerous. It also shows that Tesla has no one on their team that has worked in UX or Industrial Design. That concept would get torn apart in any design 101 critique.


In fact, Tesla already has lawsuits pending for features like the falcon doors and automatic doors and handles. Scale that up to many more units, and the (IMO rightfully so) litigious clientele.....I can only predict a matter of time before someone sues the shit out of Tesla.


It's not good.

[2o6]

I can picture it now - base model customer who doesn't have the autonomous features (which aren't foolproof) gets frustrated and unintentionally stares at the screen whilst trying to figure out wipers, heat/AC, radio, or speed. Screen has latency, or maybe the client has a hard time getting familiar to the setup.



They plow into a pedestrian. Or run a stop light. Or into the back of a truck.


They hurt themselves or someone else.



Who's responsible here? Most of y'all would say "well it's the dumbass driver hyuck hyuck hyuck they should pay attention to the road"


But when the interface is designed in such a way where it demands an inordinate amount of your attention, the onus may start to shift onto Tesla.

[2o6]

It shows a severe lack of thought. It's frustrating. Good design incorporates a lot of input and perspective.

[Raza]

Why give it the proportions it has at all? If it's autonomous, it really should be a one box shape with a totally more unconventional interior.

Aerodynamics?

[r0tor]

I can picture it now - base model customer who doesn't have the autonomous features (which aren't foolproof) gets frustrated and unintentionally stares at the screen whilst trying to figure out wipers, heat/AC, radio, or speed. Screen has latency, or maybe the client has a hard time getting familiar to the setup.



They plow into a pedestrian. Or run a stop light. Or into the back of a truck.


They hurt themselves or someone else.



Who's responsible here? Most of y'all would say "well it's the dumbass driver hyuck hyuck hyuck they should pay attention to the road"


But when the interface is designed in such a way where it demands an inordinate amount of your attention, the onus may start to shift onto Tesla.

Fear not, every 3 has collision avoidance and emergency braking functions

...Such rage over a car you will never own...

[Raza]

Computer braking systems never fail!

Except for every single one ever.

[r0tor]

Probably better than the average bimbo text messaging while driving

[12,000 RPM]

Computer braking systems never fail!

Except for every single one ever.

Every car you have owned has or had a computer braking system. How many have failed?

[Soup DeVille]

Every car you have owned has or had a computer braking system. How many have failed?

No, his cars; and all cars basically have a mechanical hydraulic system. If ABS or stability control fails (and I've had it happen on several for various reasons), then you still have the underlying mechanical systems.

[2o6]

Every car you have owned has or had a computer braking system. How many have failed?

All of mine have failed to activate for some reason or another, at one point in time. There have been times where the conditions needed for them to operated did not exist correctly (or the computer thought they didn't) and thus these systems didn't turn on.

Does that mean they're broken? Not always.

Fear not, every 3 has collision avoidance and emergency braking functions

...Such rage over a car you will never own...

What if they fail to turn on for some reason? We've already had one death directly due to autopilot's inability to determine the daylight sky to the side of a tractor trailer. There have been other videos of autopilot being unclear on lane markings and drifting into another lane.



It's bad design.