Tesla

[Raza]

It's still so easy to trigger you guys with how much better Apple's products are than the competition's. You guys never learn. Still burned from all your Samsung phones setting themselves on fire?

[12,000 RPM]

Who was triggered?

[AutobahnSHO]

Who was triggered?

Also, I don't think many here have (overpriced) Samsungs.

[Laconian]

"Teslas are just very expensive street legal golf carts."

Huh? The Model S ANNIHILATED its internal combustion sedan competitors, and at a lower price, too!

[93JC]

Annihilated how? What do you consider its competitors to be?

[Raza]

Who was triggered?

Don't play.

[AutobahnSHO]

"Teslas are just very expensive street legal golf carts."

Huh? The Model S ANNIHILATED its internal combustion sedan competitors, and at a lower price, too!

In shortest trip length???   

[Submariner]

"Teslas are just very expensive street legal golf carts."

Huh? The Model S ANNIHILATED its internal combustion sedan competitors, and at a lower price, too!

How so?  Certainly not build quality or luxury, which Tesla thinks of as two giant screens with some weird commie-recycled plastic accenting the center console. 

[Submariner]

This is so reminiscent of Apple mania at its height.

So you're saying that Tesla is going to have a $700,000,000,000 valuation in ten years?

[BimmerM3]

Annihilated how? What do you consider its competitors to be?

There's obviously a lot more to a car than this, but the top of the line model literally beats everything in the world to 60 except the Porsche 918.

[Submariner]

There's obviously a lot more to a car than this, but the top of the line model literally beats everything in the world to 60 except the Porsche 918.

Which it can do a few times before being put in "restricted mode".

[GoCougs]

This is so reminiscent of Apple mania at its height.

Probably worse - at least Apple had a good quality product, sans government funding, that changed the world almost over night.

[BimmerM3]

Which it can do a few times before being put in "restricted mode".

Not since February. https://electrek.co/2017/02/14/tesla-performance-restrictions-update/

[CaminoRacer]

I think Matt Farah said accelerating that fast is just uncomfortable.

[BimmerM3]

Overall, I mostly LOL at the Tesla haters because everyone I know who has actually driven one has been pretty damn impressed.

[Tave]

Which it can do a few times before being put in "restricted mode".

At WOT, the Veyron theoretically runs out of fuel in, what, like 8 minutes?

[MX793]

Not since February. https://electrek.co/2017/02/14/tesla-performance-restrictions-update/

Permanent restrictions were lifted, but you can only do like 3 consecutive hard acceleration runs before temporary restrictions go into place.  Generally cleared by a recharge.

Lest we forget, the Tesla couldn't even muster half a lap of VIR before going into limp/conservation mode and the brakes went to mush in like the 3rd corner.  These are still one trick ponies in terms of performance.  Staggering acceleration and that's about it.

[12,000 RPM]

Overall, I mostly LOL at the Tesla haters because everyone I know who has actually driven one has been pretty damn impressed.

Exponentially ramping up production <> making cars that can impress on a test drive

I want Tesla to succeed on this as well, but don't be to Tesla what shippy is to Trump. They got problems cuz

[MrH]

Their products are pretty cool.  But yeah, it's a lot easier to make cool stuff when you don't have to be profitable and you get a free pass to miss on every single volume and revenue projection.

[AutobahnSHO]

Their products are pretty cool.  But yeah, it's a lot easier to make cool stuff when you don't have to be profitable and you get a free pass to miss on every single volume and revenue projection.

+1

[GoCougs]

Overall, I mostly LOL at the Tesla haters because everyone I know who has actually driven one has been pretty damn impressed.

It's okay but I wasn't super impressed. It's quiet and quick but I can't stand the UI. Plus, most who own (er, lease) them are not car people, and it's a bit of a    to listen them explain why it's such an awesome car.

Either way "haters" are much more on about the company (origins/finances) and EV premise, not the actual car itself.

[AutobahnSHO]

The apple analogy fits there too- Tesla drew out the non-car people to be interested in electric performance. Apple drew out all the non-geeks to think digital files for music was cool. There were better 'sounding' MP3 players on the market pre-iPod but most people wouldn't know it.

[BimmerM3]

The apple analogy fits there too- Tesla drew out the non-car people to be interested in electric performance. Apple drew out all the non-geeks to think digital files for music was cool. There were better 'sounding' MP3 players on the market pre-iPod but most people wouldn't know it.

To be fair, the iPod really was one of the first HDD-based MP3 players. There were a handful before the iPod, but the vast majority of early MP3 players used flash memory with like a 32 MB capacity, which made them not much more useful than just burning CDs.

[Morris Minor]

The apple analogy fits there too- Tesla drew out the non-car people to be interested in electric performance. Apple drew out all the non-geeks to think digital files for music was cool. There were better 'sounding' MP3 players on the market pre-iPod but most people wouldn't know it.

That's Apple's genius. Taking an idea and moving it from pain in the ass to usable and (extremely) profitable.

[12,000 RPM]

The apple analogy fits there too- Tesla drew out the non-car people to be interested in electric performance. Apple drew out all the non-geeks to think digital files for music was cool. There were better 'sounding' MP3 players on the market pre-iPod but most people wouldn't know it.

They also all had shitty UI and build quality that only audiophiles would put up with

You act like what Apple brought to the MP3 player/cell phone realm was of no value.

[MX793]

They also all had shitty UI and build quality that only audiophiles would put up with

You act like what Apple brought to the MP3 player/cell phone realm was of no value.

I wouldn't exactly call iTunes circa early 2000s great UI.  What's Apple's aversion to being able to transfer MP3s from computer to device via drag & drop?

[AutobahnSHO]

To be fair, the iPod really was one of the first HDD-based MP3 players. There were a handful before the iPod, but the vast majority of early MP3 players used flash memory with like a 32 MB capacity, which made them not much more useful than just burning CDs.

They also all had shitty UI and build quality that only audiophiles would put up with

You act like what Apple brought to the MP3 player/cell phone realm was of no value.

I don't act like that at all. My dad had a Windows tablet computer in 2001. It was absolute garbage, the UI sucked and it took the iPad to show that big screens could be easy to use (and the iPhone before that). Apple single-handedly created giant markets out of bringing the people factor into technology.

This is a very very loose analogy. Apple/Tesla were not the inventors of the technology. It all existed before they did. Apple & Tesla put it together in a marketable mass consumption sort of way and are successful at what others were not able to do.

[Laconian]

I wouldn't exactly call iTunes circa early 2000s great UI.  What's Apple's aversion to being able to transfer MP3s from computer to device via drag & drop?

I think it has to do with the fact that it was mounted as a generic mass storage device. Low level access like that presents the device with very few hooks for efficiently detecting file addition/removal. You'd have to grind away and checksum all the files after unmounting to check for changes. The iPod was made to hold a LOT of music; this step could be really nasty for power users.

It's simpler to have the computer maintain the music index instead.

[MX793]

I think it has to do with the fact that it was mounted as a generic mass storage device. Low level access like that presents the device with very few hooks for efficiently detecting file addition/removal. You'd have to grind away and checksum all the files after unmounting to check for changes. The iPod was made to hold a LOT of music; this step could be really nasty for power users.

It's simpler to have the computer maintain the music index instead.

I bought a cheap, tiny Sansa MP3 player maybe 7 or 8 years ago.  $50 (cheaper than the cheapest iPod at the time and with 2x the storage capacity).  About the same physical size as an iPod Shuffle of the same vintage, but actually has a small LCD display with song title, artist, etc.  Even has (limited) onboard playlist building capability.  Couple of gigs of music storage.  Supports drag & drop.  What's Apple's excuse?  You're telling me a tech giant like Apple couldn't figure it out?  More like they want to force people to use iTunes, which gets people more integrated with and invested in the i-life.  Great way to retain customers; I can't knock the business sense there, but a huge turn-off to people who don't want to be tied down to a particular brand.

[BimmerM3]

I think it has to do with the fact that it was mounted as a generic mass storage device. Low level access like that presents the device with very few hooks for efficiently detecting file addition/removal. You'd have to grind away and checksum all the files after unmounting to check for changes. The iPod was made to hold a LOT of music; this step could be really nasty for power users.

It's simpler to have the computer maintain the music index instead.

One of the things I really liked about iTunes is that it would manage the files for you. Especially once I took the time to customize how they're stored and named.

Overall, I thought the early versions of iTunes were fantastic. But at that time, it was really just a music manager. As it grew to support videos and the iPhone app store, it turned into a bloated memory hog.