Tesla

[giant_mtb]

You by the way have a truck with a rear seat with no exterior door handle for the rear doors

[12,000 RPM]

Getting in/out of most coupes is a tough task when your not injured.  More often then not, injured rear seat occupants are going to be cut out.  Trying to extricate anyone from a space like that is going to be way too difficult and dangerous to the victim.

Tesla is halarious.  On either side of Tesla you have fanatical worship and fanatical hatred.  Any other manufacturer, nobody in large would give two shits about this.

There have been a fair number of paid for hit pieces on Tesla.  You have to consider that before jumping on a bandwagon on either side.  Hell, a couple months ago it was "Tesla is building model 3s without any automation" that hit national news and was in fact bullshit.  This is just more of the same IMO.

Like giant said, the 3 is a sedan. Comparing it to coupes, or RX-8s, or pickup trucks is just panicked deflection. There is no upside to it not having physical door latches in the rear, and frankly I'm surprised that is even legal.

[r0tor]

How would mechanical door latches on rear occupancy doors be required if the doors themselves are not required?

[12,000 RPM]

How would mechanical door latches on rear occupancy doors be required if the doors themselves are not required?

If you put a door on a car, it should have a mechanical opening mechanism. No different than the pull latch in a trunk, which is not supposed to be used for carrying people at all.

I get that people dump on Tesla excessively, largely because fanatics like you just make it so fun. But when you can't even admit to an obvious and dangerous fault like this, you give away what little credibility you have

[AutobahnSHO]

How would mechanical door latches on rear occupancy doors be required if the doors themselves are not required?

[r0tor]

If you put a door on a car, it should have a mechanical opening mechanism. No different than the pull latch in a trunk, which is not supposed to be used for carrying people at all.

I get that people dump on Tesla excessively, largely because fanatics like you just make it so fun. But when you can't even admit to an obvious and dangerous fault like this, you give away what little credibility you have

Actually I think it's more fun watching and messing with people who have an obsession  with radom things related to Tesla when they would never buy the car... and falling head over heels for stock market hit pieces

[MX793]

Actually I think it's more fun watching and messing with people who have an obsession  with radom things related to Tesla when they would never buy the car... and falling head over heels for stock market hit pieces

Apparently it's not just Tesla haters who have a problem with this shitty door design.  A thread that went up at a Tesla enthusiasts' site shortly after the emergency response guide was published last year:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/no-mechanical-handle-for-rear-doors-seriously.98748/

That a "hit piece" shone light on it for the greater public doesn't mean it wasn't noticed before, nor does it make it any less a piss poor design.

Maybe it Musk and Tesla didn't hype the shit out of their products (and often fail to deliver on promises) and the congregation of the Church of Tesla didn't worship it as perfection, people wouldn't hate on it quite so much.  I seem to recall Apple being hated on pretty hard a dozen or so years ago for much the same reason.

[r0tor]

Apparently it's not just Tesla haters who have a problem with this shitty door design.  A thread that went up at a Tesla enthusiasts' site shortly after the emergency response guide was published last year:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/no-mechanical-handle-for-rear-doors-seriously.98748/

That a "hit piece" shone light on it for the greater public doesn't mean it wasn't noticed before, nor does it make it any less a piss poor design.

Maybe it Musk and Tesla didn't hype the shit out of their products (and often fail to deliver on promises) and the congregation of the Church of Tesla didn't worship it as perfection, people wouldn't hate on it quite so much.  I seem to recall Apple being hated on pretty hard a dozen or so years ago for much the same reason.

Take 20 seconds to breeze through the thread... Most posts either don't care or aren't even about the doors

[MX793]

Take 20 seconds to breeze through the thread... Most posts either don't care or aren't even about the doors

I see a bunch of Church of Tesla members making excuses for why it's perfectly fine for a sedan not to have a mechanical release on the rear doors and then a side conversation about the stupid and unsafe touchscreen windshield wiper controls (likewise defended by most of the Teslaites).

[Tave]

Next to throttle- steer- and brake-by-wire fears, my underwater rear door escape plan is a distant priority.

[Soup DeVille]

Next to throttle- steer- and brake-by-wire fears, my underwater rear door escape plan is a distant priority.

All steer and brake by wire systems in use now default to refular mechanical operation under electronic failure conditions. Throttles, no; but that's less of a safety issue.

[AutobahnSHO]

Hackers will have fun! ! !

[r0tor]

All steer and brake by wire systems in use now default to refular mechanical operation under electronic failure conditions. Throttles, no; but that's less of a safety issue.

Well there was that one Jeep hack where the hackers were able to take over the steering, brakes, and throttle

[Soup DeVille]

Well there was that one Jeep hack where the hackers were able to take over the steering, brakes, and throttle

Yeah, and that could be a legitimate concern at some point too. I don't see it being very wide spread, but it does give me pause.

[AutobahnSHO]

Well there was that one Jeep hack where the hackers were able to take over the steering, brakes, and throttle

Yeah, and that could be a legitimate concern at some point too. I don't see it being very wide spread, but it does give me pause.

It's already a legitimate concern.

It was a standard Jeep Cherokee. At first the student/investigators had to be physically connected but then they figured out how to get in via Cellphone and the onstar-type system.  They notified Jeep and of course the issue was patched. They think.

This was just one example of a vulnerability. As more cars get more connected, more issues will be opened/ found, and hopefully reported/fixed.

[SJ_GTI]

Did a google search on model 3 sales and this popped up:

https://insideevs.com/january-ev-sales-rise-tesla-model-3-prime-bolt-lead/

Despite its production shortfalls, the Tesla Model 3 was top dog in January, with an estimated 1,875 sales. While the Toyota Prius Prime and Chevrolet Bolt claimed the number two and three spots with 1,496 and 1,177, respectively.

So it looks like the Model 3 did take top spot, but that sales number is still pretty small compared to where they claimed they would be by the end of 2017.

Will be keeping an eye out to see how many they can deliver each month. In concept Tesla should be able to deliver every Model 3 they manufacture since they have that giant wait list.

[AutobahnSHO]

In concept Tesla should be able to deliver every Model 3 they manufacture since they have that giant wait list.

That's the way to do business.   No question about how many you need to build.

[12,000 RPM]

Well there was that one Jeep hack where the hackers were able to take over the steering, brakes, and throttle

They had to physically connect to the car to do it.

I'm sure if Teslas were hackable you'd cite it as an opportunity for Americans to sharpen their cybersecurity skills. This is embarassing

[r0tor]

They had to physically connect to the car to do it.

I'm sure if Teslas were hackable you'd cite it as an opportunity for Americans to sharpen their cybersecurity skills. This is embarassing

No it was done with a UConnect exploit over the air

[MX793]

Didn't they have to plug in to install some kind of code before they could wirelessly control the vehicle?

[giant_mtb]

Didn't they have to plug in to install some kind of code before they could wirelessly control the vehicle?

https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

In this instance, it doesn't sound like it.  They just had to know the vehicle's IP address.  Then Jeep fixed their shit.  And a year later...

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed-steering-acceleration-hacks/

Sounds like they now had to plug in first, then they could open it up for wireless hax0rs.

[Morris Minor]

Meanwhile:
https://youtu.be/aBr2kKAHN6M

[Soup DeVille]

https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

In this instance, it doesn't sound like it.  They just had to know the vehicle's IP address.  Then Jeep fixed their shit.  And a year later...

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jeep-hackers-return-high-speed-steering-acceleration-hacks/

Sounds like they now had to plug in first, then they could open it up for wireless hax0rs.

So, any off-brand cable or charger- or even any phone that's had the wrong app downloaded- plugged into an aux USB port on the vehicle is now a possible route for malware.

[AutobahnSHO]

So, any off-brand cable or charger- or even any phone that's had the wrong app downloaded- plugged into an aux USB port on the vehicle is now a possible route for malware.

yessir!

All the manufacturers need to be keeping this in mind.

[Galaxy]

1,500 cars per weeks. They are improving.

[12,000 RPM]

But will they charge?

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/02/musks-tesla-might-make-mars-one-mans-factory-fresh-model-s-couldnt-make-mom-dads/

I know, I know r0tor. Back in 1978 AMC had a recall for gas filler tubes being too tight. So this is something we should all be used to.

[r0tor]

Only Tesla could have a single failure make headlines...

[Morris Minor]

"I'm hopeful that people think that if we can send a Roadster to the asteroid belt, we can probably solve Model 3 production."
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He acknowledged that rolling out the Model 3, which began production in July, was harder than expected. "We were in a deeper level of hell than expected," he said. "Still a few levels deeper than we'd like to be but swiftly exiting, I think."
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He also took a swipe at his automotive competitors, promising Tesla could leap over them with advances in manufacturing. While the automotive industry is "quite good at manufacturing," he said it produces cars too slowly, churning out at best a vehicle every 25 seconds.
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"Grandma with a walker can exceed the fastest production line on earth," Mr. Musk said. "So really, not that fast."

[Soup DeVille]

"I'm hopeful that people think that if we can send a Roadster to the asteroid belt, we can probably solve Model 3 production."
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He acknowledged that rolling out the Model 3, which began production in July, was harder than expected. "We were in a deeper level of hell than expected," he said. "Still a few levels deeper than we'd like to be but swiftly exiting, I think."
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He also took a swipe at his automotive competitors, promising Tesla could leap over them with advances in manufacturing. While the automotive industry is "quite good at manufacturing," he said it produces cars too slowly, churning out at best a vehicle every 25 seconds.
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"Grandma with a walker can exceed the fastest production line on earth," Mr. Musk said. "So really, not that fast."

What the hell is he even talking about? A single assembly plant running at capacity will exceed the entire Model 3 production to date in about three weeks.

[MrH]

He envisions a plant where you can reduce he takt time for car assembly to a few seconds. But it's just like Elon with everything else. Heavy on the vision, very light on the execution.