Tesla

[MX793]

There are 3 controls in a car that should always be managed via a knob or slider:
-Radio Volume
-HVAC Fan speed
-HVAC Temperature

Any vehicle that relies on buttons, real or simulated via touch screen, for these functions is doing it wrong.

[AutobahnSHO]

You forgot Windows and doors.... 

[MX793]

You forgot Windows and doors.... 

No, a button is fine for windows.

[12,000 RPM]

There are 3 controls in a car that should always be managed via a knob or slider:
-Radio Volume
-HVAC Fan speed
-HVAC Temperature

Any vehicle that relies on buttons, real or simulated via touch screen, for these functions is doing it wrong.

Yea, I do wish there were more conventional controls in the center console of the MKX. If it didn't have the steering wheel controls I probably would not have bought that car. Will be interesting to see the accident rates on these.

[giant_mtb]

People will get into accidents with them and that'll just be an excuse to further push automated cars for incompetent drivers.

[r0tor]

With automatic climate control - how green are you people messing with the controls? I probably adjust the temp on my jeep maybe a couple times a year!?!?

Same with the vents - set them and don't mess with them ever again

[Raza]

With automatic climate control - how green are you people messing with the controls? I probably adjust the temp on my jeep maybe a couple times a year!?!?

Same with the vents - set them and don't mess with them ever again

There's no summer where you live? You don't get into a hot car an SUV manually pump the air up to cool off?

[Soup DeVille]

With automatic climate control - how green are you people messing with the controls? I probably adjust the temp on my jeep maybe a couple times a year!?!?

Same with the vents - set them and don't mess with them ever again

Sometimes my face is sweaty. Sometimes it's muh balls. Windows down in cooler weather, the heat might be directed towards the floor. Feet froze after walkong in the snow? That's a different setting too.

It is what it is, man.

[12,000 RPM]

With automatic climate control - how green are you people messing with the controls? I probably adjust the temp on my jeep maybe a couple times a year!?!?

Same with the vents - set them and don't mess with them ever again

If they controlled to wet bulb I would leave it. But 73 degrees in dry ass January is very different than muggy ass August. So I mess with it for that reason

[giant_mtb]

I never used the automatic climate in my A4. In the summer, it would just blast you in the face...which is great for the first five minutes of being in a sun-baked black on black car...but after that, I preferred moving the air up to the defrost vents to give a nice gentle breeze bouncing off the windshield and keeping the dashboard and glass cool.  I don't like the sporadic nature of most automatic climate systems I've encountered.

[12,000 RPM]

Yea, both the G and MKX blow super cold, so I often have to aim the vents so they don't blow directly on my skin. I know wifey messes with the fan speed in the MKX too because auto blows too hard. Unless Tesla gets the HVAC design right (huge vents for slower air speed and some level of dehumidification control), I see this causing more problems than solutions.

[Char]

There are 3 controls in a car that should always be managed via a knob or slider:
-Radio Volume
-HVAC Fan speed
-HVAC Temperature

Any vehicle that relies on buttons, real or simulated via touch screen, for these functions is doing it wrong.

What's funny is even smart phones (which started the whole touch screen craze, like the Iphone) have actual buttons for some of those things.

[Char]

I have been reading the initial reviews and it seems like an interesting car. I haven't been following it that closely so I was surprised that they are launching with a 310 mile range version...I didn't think they would even have a longer range version (I assumed the smaller footprint wouldn't let them put in a larger battery).

I still think it looks nice though. Features add $$$ to the price very quickly. I think one car I saw reviewed would have a sticker of nearly 60k, and we aren't even talking AWD yet. You have to think once this car is fully rolled out we will be looking at high end version at or above M3/AMG prices.

Still though the 220 mile range version with reasonable features should be in the mid 40's, so not too bad all things considered. I don't really see myself buying any new car in the next few years anyway but I'll have to give Tesla a serious look next time I am shopping I think.

Why?

[SJ_GTI]

Why?

...why not?

All things considered I think I would prefer electric cars. Smoother acceleration, almost never have to take it to get filled up, and very little maintenance (the reason I have an electric lawnmower instead of a gas one).

If the Motortrend review is to be believed the Model 3 is a great drivers car (better than the Guilia, which has been getting rave reviews for its handling). I don't know if I'll buy a Tesla, but I think there is at least a 50/50 chance my next car (~2-4 years from now) will be electric.

[12,000 RPM]

Your parameters allow it. Short commute, not a lot of long distance personal travel. I can see it working for a lot of people

[r0tor]

There's no summer where you live? You don't get into a hot car an SUV manually pump the air up to cool off?

Ummm it's not going to cool down any quicker if your car is boiling hot and you adjust the temp down 10 more degrees cooler then normal

[r0tor]

Sometimes my face is sweaty. Sometimes it's muh balls. Windows down in cooler weather, the heat might be directed towards the floor. Feet froze after walkong in the snow? That's a different setting too.

It is what it is, man.

Climate controls direct heat towards the face in summer and feat in winter automatically...

[MX793]

Climate controls direct heat towards the face in summer and feat in winter automatically...

In my experience, not all of them.

[r0tor]

If the Motortrend review is to be believed the Model 3 is a great drivers car (better than the Guilia, which has been getting rave reviews for its handling). I don't know if I'll buy a Tesla, but I think there is at least a 50/50 chance my next car (~2-4 years from now) will be electric.

It is a stellar review.

Unlike our forum expert opinions, the screen is within your field of vision (maybe even better then some conventional layouts) and the ride and handling makes a Giulia feel like a wet sponge

[Tave]

Bruv

Tell me if you see any difference between these two interiors

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Like tell me if you see any difference in the controls available for shit like HVAC and the radio........................................

I'm well aware of the various differences between the two systems; that doesn't change the fact that they are both examples of the trend in auto manufacturing towards integrated digital displays.

[Soup DeVille]

Climate controls direct heat towards the face in summer and feat in winter automatically...

But that's not always what is wanted, is it?

[12,000 RPM]

Right Tave but a move toward digital displays doesn't make the Model 3's central console nonsense the logical conclusion. It's something that people who only travel by Uber would come up with. There has been backlash to the bullshit- Honda for example capitulated and replaced its stupid sliders back with a good old volume knob after the hyena like shrieks of CR and customers. Maybe Tesla buyers are good with ergonomically nightmarish gimmicks but most people want UX that works.

[r0tor]

But that's not always what is wanted, is it?

Probably 97% of the time which is why decent climate control systems are set it and forget it

[Cookie Monster]

I'm surprised you guys are so worked up over this... It's to cut costs and simplify production ramp up. It's not about automation or anything else. If it were, the 3 would come would the auto lift gate and self opening doors like the X does as well.

Cutting out buttons and replacing everything with one screen saves a ton on parts and fit and finish. Not like they're doing it for any other reason.

Also, I'm willing to give the center screen a chance before completely writing the car off.  Initial reviews seem pretty positive, and I'm more willing to listen to reviewers who have driven the car than a bunch of guys on a forum speculating. I still don't like the exterior looks in person, but $44k for a 310 mile range is amazing. I can't hate on that at all.

[12,000 RPM]

"It'll take a lot more miles than this to decide if the single off-center screen completely substitutes for a conventionally located gauge cluster" - Motor Trend

[CaminoRacer]

but $44k for a 310 mile range is amazing. I can't hate on that at all.

Idk, I pay about $30 for a 310 mile range.

[AutobahnSHO]

Your parameters allow it. Short commute, not a lot of long distance personal travel. I can see it working for a lot of people

+1

If I were shopping for new right now I could consider a Bolt or Tesla 3. I could get out of driving minivan to work and back, and save it for when I need more than 2 seats. Wife's car is paid for so she could continue to commute in that. Electric Miata would be ideal

((( But I don't buy new so.... )))

[Soup DeVille]

Probably 97% of the time which is why decent climate control systems are set it and forget it

IME, far, far less than that; and most get adjusted regularly.

[MrH]

I'm surprised you guys are so worked up over this... It's to cut costs and simplify production ramp up. It's not about automation or anything else. If it were, the 3 would come would the auto lift gate and self opening doors like the X does as well.

Cutting out buttons and replacing everything with one screen saves a ton on parts and fit and finish. Not like they're doing it for any other reason.

Also, I'm willing to give the center screen a chance before completely writing the car off.  Initial reviews seem pretty positive, and I'm more willing to listen to reviewers who have driven the car than a bunch of guys on a forum speculating. I still don't like the exterior looks in person, but $44k for a 310 mile range is amazing. I can't hate on that at all.

Yeah, I actually like the product a lot.  If it was available now, with no major quality issues, I'd at least go look at one.

The problem is, this isn't going to be available to purchase for a long time.  They claim with their current ramp up schedule, if you order now, you'll get it late next year.  And that's with Tesla's projected ramp up plan, which they have never come close to hitting ever.  This likely puts availability sometime late into 2019.  And that's if the financials go according to plan too.  I'm guessing the ramp up is going to be brutal, they'll continue to hemorrhage money, and something will have to happen.  An entire business can't exist solely on cool product design and hype.  Eventually you have to operationally perform.  Elon is a great visionary, but he can't manufacture to save his life.

[Tave]

Right Tave but a move toward digital displays doesn't make the Model 3's central console nonsense the logical conclusion. It's something that people who only travel by Uber would come up with. There has been backlash to the bullshit- Honda for example capitulated and replaced its stupid sliders back with a good old volume knob after the hyena like shrieks of CR and customers. Maybe Tesla buyers are good with ergonomically nightmarish gimmicks but most people want UX that works.

I never said it's the alpha and omega from this date and henceforth into eternity; merely that it is the direction the industry is headed. Surely that's not a controversial opinion, we can all see the increasing sophistication in vehicle electronics and the trend toward automation.

Where is "nightmarish" coming from? As I stated before, the Model S is reportedly light years ahead of everyone else on the UX front. It seems like you've reached a conclusion a priori.

"It'll take a lot more miles than this to decide if the single off-center screen completely substitutes for a conventionally located gauge cluster" - Motor Trend

That's some nice click bait editing:

"It'll take a lot more miles than this to decide if the single off-center screen completely substitutes for a conventionally located gauge cluster, but I'm already adapting to it. At least I can always see the mph display near my right hand position (upper left corner of the screen) versus it being often half-hidden behind spokes."

And:

"The Tesla Model 3 is here, and it is the most important vehicle of the century."