Sporty G37 thread

Started by 12,000 RPM, March 14, 2017, 07:19:57 PM

Cookie Monster

With the tires that close to the fender, you're going to have to roll 5sure. That purple car has a slight pull in fact.

With enough camber you may be able to get away with a slight roll but even then I wouldn't be so sure.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
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r0tor

Why not just spec wheels that fit instead of f'in around with spacers
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12,000 RPM

Because stance is life bro.
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12,000 RPM

OK, I gotta get the ball rolling on this shit. Friday night, gonna take off all my wheels and go get the new shits mounted. Then while they're doing that, swap the front studs to get the spacers on. What a mess :facepalm: But it's going to be so sick once it's all together.
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Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2017, 08:11:03 AM
OK, I gotta get the ball rolling on this shit. Friday night, gonna take off all my wheels and go get the new shits mounted. Then while they're doing that, swap the front studs to get the spacers on. What a mess :facepalm: But it's going to be so sick once it's all together.

Sounds like a fun Friday night.  :lol:
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giant_mtb

Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:

Cookie Monster

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:

I'm waiting for the "FML guys I have to pull my fenders" post.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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2 4 R

MX793

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:

I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride.  The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see.  There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.
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AutobahnSHO

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 03, 2017, 09:50:16 AM
But that is like the absolute limit. Praying I don't need to get fenders roll't.

WUT   :confused:   

that would be wacky. :lol:
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AutobahnSHO

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:

:lol: :lol:
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giant_mtb

Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 10:00:26 AM
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride.  The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see.  There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.

Yeah, that's gonna be a PITA.  There's a reason I have mud flaps on my truck, and it isn't necessarily for style.

Cookie Monster

Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 10:00:26 AM
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride.  The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see.  There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.

This reduces street cred.

Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 10:19:09 AM
Yeah, that's gonna be a PITA.  There's a reason I have mud flaps on my truck, and it isn't necessarily for style.

I want mudflaps, but for style reasons. :lol:
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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├┼┤
2 4 R

Raza

Three words:

Stretch.
And.
Poke.
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MrH

Can't wait to see the first ever G37 stanced on Giovanni wheels.
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FoMoJo

I haven't been keeping track.  Is he putting coil-overs on it?
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 09:54:26 AM
I'm waiting for the "FML guys I have to pull my fenders" post.
I'm gonna jack up a rear corner tonight and really see how much clearance I have once the tire begins to tuck. Front tires will need an extra half an inch and the back won't change.

Quote from: MX793 on September 07, 2017, 10:00:26 AM
I don't see the wheel change appreciably hurting the ride.  The sides of his dark colored car getting covered in dirty road spray when driven on wet roads, or stone chips, is the most likely issue I see.  There's a reason tires are spaced to align with the fender lip near the bottom of the car, where the car is narrower, rather than the top of the arch.
My back tires are already essentially flush with the fender and I haven't noticed any extra grime or damage.
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MX793

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 07, 2017, 10:52:06 AM
I'm gonna jack up a rear corner tonight and really see how much clearance I have once the tire begins to tuck. Front tires will need an extra half an inch and the back won't change.
My back tires are already essentially flush with the fender and I haven't noticed any extra grime or damage.

Back tires don't steer.
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Quote from: giant_mtb on September 07, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Who wants to bet it rides like shit and sporty continues to be disappoint. :lol:

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MrH

What's the final setup actually?  What coilovers, what kind of drop, alignment specs, etc?  Wheel & tire size?  Sounds like pretty aggressive stancing.  If that's the case, I don't think handling dynamics are necessarily the end goal.
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Cookie Monster

Won't the car be extra oversteery with almost an extra inch of track width up front?
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

MrH

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 12:22:59 PM
Won't the car be extra oversteery with almost an extra inch of track width up front?

Weren't Pontiac Grand Prixs designed like that?  :lol:  They had a huge difference between front and rear track.
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12,000 RPM

Final setup will probably be:

- 19x9.5 +35 wheels and 255/40 tires square forever
- Reasonable alignment specs (~-1.5/-1.75 camber F/R, zero toe)
- Tein Flex Zs (Basic Zs are actually really good on the street but just a hair soft. Would be nice to have adjustable damping too)

Goals for this were, in order of priority
- Aggressive fitment
- Reasonable cost of operation/ownership (so no 305s or w/e, no super sticky fast wearing tires, no crazy alignment; square tires were mandatory)
- Good handling/ride balance
- Low road noise (so again no super wide tires)

I think it will work. I was just foiled by the OEM BBK; it's always a crapshoot with that. I would have thought a low offset wheel would mean MORE clearance, but that was not the case.
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giant_mtb

Quote from: MrH on September 07, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
Weren't Pontiac Grand Prixs designed like that?  :lol:  They had a huge difference between front and rear track.

Yeah, for ultimate FWD cornering grip and mega s/c 3.8 utilization.

They also did it back in the day on the Bonneville. Google "Pontiac Wide Track."


Cookie Monster

Quote from: MrH on September 07, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
Weren't Pontiac Grand Prixs designed like that?  :lol:  They had a huge difference between front and rear track.

The V8s had reverse stagger tires as well.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

93JC

#564
"Wide-Track" was an old Pontiac ad campaign going back to the '50s, and it was more marketing pap than anything. Latter-day Grand Prix GXPs had a wider track in front to accommodate the 5.3 L V8, but regular V6-powered Grand Prixs did not. Pretty sure the Impala SS and Bonneville GXP did too.

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Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 01:52:14 PM
The V8s had reverse stagger tires as well.

255 vs. 225. As far as I know that's where they got the extra axle track from: wider, deeper wheels. I don't know that the underlying suspension was any different between V6 and V8-powered Grand Prixs but I don't think so.

r0tor

Why in the world would you run more camber in the rear then front?
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That's how the suspension geometry works. I might get a camber kit for the rear
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r0tor

Remind me to get more popcorn  :popcorn:
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Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 07, 2017, 01:52:14 PM
The V8s had reverse stagger tires as well.
It was suppose to help with torque steer..........
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MX793

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on September 07, 2017, 06:03:31 PM
It was suppose to help with torque steer..........

The staggered tires helped with terminal understeer.  Wheels/tires don't affect torque steer (that's up to halfshaft and suspension geometry).
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