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[cawimmer430]

An engine is actually really likely to over heat in crawling, stop-and-go traffic as well.  My motorcycle gets hottest crawling through urban stop-and-go (cooling fans run almost constantly and water temps over 200F).  Sailing along at 70+, the fans never turn on and water temp is like 175.

I can imagine.

But all I'm saying is when you're flat-out speeding on the Autobahn]/i] for hours straight and then pop the hood, you'll feel some really, really, really hot air escaping. Place your hand near the engine and you'll feel some serious heat (hotter than what you'd normally feel after a normal drive). It's difficult to describe, but when you experience it you'll understand.

Or - buy a '76 Plymouth Volare for $100, max it out in Montana and then when it overheats pop the hood and feel the heat.

[cawimmer430]

All of them. It does seem they've got their act together with the current crop but time will tell

Got proof?

None of our high mileage German cars has ever needed the suspension bushings replaced (anecdotal evidence, I know, I know...). And here you'd think they'd wear out quicker because of the high speed highways which we have here. And contrary to popular belief, the Autobahns aren't these smooth roads - they are in desperate need of repair because many sections have asphalt breaking off and smaller potholes. Imagine the stress on the car and the suspension when you drive on such surfaces at high speed; daily, weekly, monthly and yearly.

We had a 1992 Mitsubishi Galant GTI which needed an entire shock absorber replacement on all four wheels at 68,000 km. Damn, do Japanese cars (all of them) suck or what!? 

[12,000 RPM]

Got proof?

None of our high mileage German cars has ever needed the suspension bushings replaced (anecdotal evidence, I know, I know...). And here you'd think they'd wear out quicker because of the high speed highways which we have here. And contrary to popular belief, the Autobahns aren't these smooth roads - they are in desperate need of repair because many sections have asphalt breaking off and smaller potholes. Imagine the stress on the car and the suspension when you drive on such surfaces at high speed; daily, weekly, monthly and yearly.

We had a 1992 Mitsubishi Galant GTI which needed an entire shock absorber replacement on all four wheels at 68,000 km. Damn, do Japanese cars (all of them) suck or what!? 

Well, I've driven several medium mileage German cars that needed bushings replaced. The E60 535i Sport I drove needed them, I could feel and hear it. Aside from tie rods I don't think I've ever had to replace bushings on any of the 7 Japanese cars I've owned, and most of them were in rough ass NYC where the roads are horrible.

Overarching and more important point is that German cars are less durable and German automakers make strange and poor design decisions more often than not.

[MX793]

Got proof?

None of our high mileage German cars has ever needed the suspension bushings replaced (anecdotal evidence, I know, I know...). And here you'd think they'd wear out quicker because of the high speed highways which we have here. And contrary to popular belief, the Autobahns aren't these smooth roads - they are in desperate need of repair because many sections have asphalt breaking off and smaller potholes. Imagine the stress on the car and the suspension when you drive on such surfaces at high speed; daily, weekly, monthly and yearly.

We had a 1992 Mitsubishi Galant GTI which needed an entire shock absorber replacement on all four wheels at 68,000 km. Damn, do Japanese cars (all of them) suck or what!? 

The autobahns are nothing compared to the LIE.  There are holes on that road that will shatter rims.

And Mitsubishi is, or was, the Chrysler of the major Japanese manufacturers.  Not surprisingly, Chrysler owned a huge chunk of Mitsu in the 80s and early 90s and the two shared components heavily.

[AutobahnSHO]

Autobahn was way better kept than roads here. Even secondary highways in Germany were kept very well.

[12,000 RPM]

I still think we should pull together a GoFundMe to pay for Wimmer to spend a week in America driving some of his beloved Detroit Iron. If we can find a running one I'd like to put him in a de Ville with the V8-6-4.

[Soup DeVille]

I still think we should pull together a GoFundMe to pay for Wimmer to spend a week in America driving some of his beloved Detroit Iron. If we can find a running one I'd like to put him in a de Ville with the V8-6-4.

I've got that covered, although I don't believe it'll stay running on four cylinders. The owner was working on that last I talked to him. Between the wagon club, the  concourse d'lemons, and the military vehicle club I think I could provide an entertaining day or two for him.

[AutobahnSHO]

I still think we should pull together a GoFundMe to pay for Wimmer to spend a week in America driving some of his beloved Detroit Iron. If we can find a running one I'd like to put him in a de Ville with the V8-6-4.

[MexicoCityM3]

With the prices on some of the stuff he likes we could probably gift him a car. It would be about $10 per spinner.

[CaminoRacer]

With the prices on some of the stuff he likes we could probably gift him a car. It would be about $10 per spinner.

And he could use it to sail back home after!

[12,000 RPM]

And he could use it to sail back home after!

Seawater would chew through that thing in a NY minute

[cawimmer430]

I still think we should pull together a GoFundMe to pay for Wimmer to spend a week in America driving some of his beloved Detroit Iron. If we can find a running one I'd like to put him in a de Ville with the V8-6-4.

Please do! Here's my list of cars I want to drive.


1972 Lincoln Continental Mark IV
1972 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Wagon
1974 Dodge Monaco
1976 Plymouth Volare / Dodge Aspen
1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Diesel (Yep, that famous 350cid V8 Diesel!)
1979 Chevrolet Caprice Classic
1980 Chevrolet Citation (Just to see if it really was that horrible!  )
1981 Ford LTD

Purchasing all of these for my driving pleasure would amount to what? $500,- max? 

Thanks!

[2o6]

X bodies weren't bad cars, they just didn't stay together very well. Development was rushed.

When GM revised it as the A body (Celebrity, et al) it was a lot better made. Those cars weren't bad, just unremarkable, and went on for far too long. By the Cutlass Ciera's death in 1996, it was horribly dated.

[cawimmer430]

X bodies weren't bad cars, they just didn't stay together very well. Development was rushed.

When GM revised it as the A body (Celebrity, et al) it was a lot better made. Those cars weren't bad, just unremarkable, and went on for far too long. By the Cutlass Ciera's death in 1996, it was horribly dated.

I kind of like the Citation from a design point of view. I can imagine back then it wasn't a bad-looking car at all, and it does appear to be very spacious even when compared to those '60s and '70s behemoth sedans.

There was an article on The Truth About Cars about the Citation and there's something like 200 comments there from people who owned one (or whose families did). Not a single positive comment. 

Here it is: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/curbside-classic-1980-chevrolet-citation-gms-deadliest-sin-ever/

[MexicoCityM3]

Back in the day I thought the Citation X-11 with the hi po V6 was a very cool car.

[cawimmer430]

Back in the day I thought the Citation X-11 with the hi po V6 was a very cool car.

It does look kind of cool. If you're an '80s kid like me you grew up seeing these things in movies and thought to yourself, "Damn, that looks nerdy and cool!"

These days I know better. I know that a lot of the '70s and '80s American cars I lust after are not the best from a quality POV, but they look so damn good. 

[Soup DeVille]

Please do! Here's my list of cars I want to drive.


1972 Lincoln Continental Mark IV
1972 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Wagon
1974 Dodge Monaco
1976 Plymouth Volare / Dodge Aspen
1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Diesel (Yep, that famous 350cid V8 Diesel!)
1979 Chevrolet Caprice Classic
1980 Chevrolet Citation (Just to see if it really was that horrible!  )
1981 Ford LTD

Purchasing all of these for my driving pleasure would amount to what? $500,- max? 

Thanks!

10 years ago this would have been closer to the truth.

Today, nice examples of any one of those could easily be $10,000. The wagon and the Lincoln would be closer to 20.

[12,000 RPM]

10 years ago this would have been closer to the truth.

Today, nice examples of any one of those could easily be $10,000. The wagon and the Lincoln would be closer to 20.

$10K for a Dodge Aspen????

[cawimmer430]

10 years ago this would have been closer to the truth.

Today, nice examples of any one of those could easily be $10,000. The wagon and the Lincoln would be closer to 20.

Yeah, I figured those must cost an arm and a leg now in great condition.

But a rusty yet drivable Citation or Volare is like what? $100,- tops?

[Soup DeVille]

$10K for a Dodge Aspen????

In good condition in a "desirable" package like a two door rally coupe? Easy. Here's a run of the mill Volare of the same age in fair condition for 6 grand.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/plymouth/volare/1866059.html

A couple here:

http://www.fossilcars.com/carsforsale/dodge-aspen.html

[Soup DeVille]

Yeah, I figured those must cost an arm and a leg now in great condition.

But a rusty yet drivable Citation or Volare is like what? $100,- tops?

You're looking at at least $500 for something you could drive. Note: your Teutonic idea of what is drivable may be challenged at this price point.

[cawimmer430]

Damn. 





How many children were conceived on that fine almost-Corinthian leather during this car's lifetime? 

[MexicoCityM3]

Damn. 





How many children were conceived on that fine almost-Corinthian leather during this car's lifetime? 

Focusing on that specifically is a little bit......Well....Normal for you I guess.

[Soup DeVille]

Lol man. That's not faux-Corinthian leather. That's Genuine ass and thigh heat fusion vinyl. That shit could leave scars if the trifecta of short shorts, hot sunny days, and that material ever combined.

And they did.

[93JC]

And those motherfucking metal seat belt buckles will melt flesh!

[12,000 RPM]

Wonder if these had the "Decapitate-A-Kid" power window switches. That might have been a luxury reserved for Chryslers

[cawimmer430]

Focusing on that specifically is a little bit......Well....Normal for you I guess.

That's what I associate '70s cars with: sex and drugs. 

Lol man. That's not faux-Corinthian leather. That's Genuine ass and thigh heat fusion vinyl. That shit could leave scars if the trifecta of short shorts, hot sunny days, and that material ever combined.

And they did.

In other words that leather can make a man out of a boy because of scarring. Sounds brutal.

[Soup DeVille]

Vinyl. It's a thick vinyl that doesn't breathe at all and clings to skin.

[cawimmer430]

Vinyl. It's a thick vinyl that doesn't breathe at all and clings to skin.

I think the BDSM community likes that.

[MX793]

Vinyl. It's a thick vinyl that doesn't breathe at all and clings to skin.

Cling might be an understatement.  The adhesion on bare skin when hot rivaled duct tape.