991.2 GT3 Touring Package: Manual only with an understated appearance

[MexicoCityM3]

What would you get for the money besides a stickshift GT3? Only thing I would consider is a V12 Vantage S but that's a very different kind of car.

He means that most people won't  be able to get the car at sticker price, thus the 250K figure. A bit of an exaggeration but a real issue.

I like some alternatives in the GT3's price range.

Mercedes GT-S
Audi R8
Ferrari California (I forget the name of the new one)
Jag F Type R SVR

But yeah, the GT3 is best in class IMO.

[12,000 RPM]

I know, I was saying for even 250K I'm not sure there's anything I'd get over a stickshift GT3. V12 Vantage starts at $200K. What else is there? Huracan is ugly to me, never liked the R8. I think that might be it

[Cookie Monster]

No.  Same 6 spd as the GT3

"The gear ratio of the six gears is precisely tuned to the power development of the engine and offers particularly sporty shifting characteristics."

Oh damn. So the 911's are 7 speed and the GT3 is 6 speed?

Does the RS come with a manual too now?

[68_427]

Oh damn. So the 911's are 7 speed and the GT3 is 6 speed?

Does the RS come with a manual too now?

RS is PDK only.  The point of that being the RS is for maximum track performance.

[Cookie Monster]

RS is PDK only.  The point of that being the RS is for maximum track performance.

Ah. eh, GT3 with a manual is good enough.

[r0tor]

What would you get for the money besides a stickshift GT3? Only thing I would consider is a V12 Vantage S but that's a very different kind of car.

Your in McLaren 650s,  Lambos, Ferraris, etc range at the street price for a Porsche GT car.

[MexicoCityM3]

Your in McLaren 650s,  Lambos, Ferraris, etc range at the street price for a Porsche GT car.

That's a very good point. Especially the McLarens that tend to depreciate faster than the Italians.

[MX793]

He means that most people won't  be able to get the car at sticker price, thus the 250K figure. A bit of an exaggeration but a real issue.

I like some alternatives in the GT3's price range.

Mercedes GT-S
Audi R8
Ferrari California (I forget the name of the new one)
Jag F Type R SVR

But yeah, the GT3 is best in class IMO.

Lotus Evora?  There was one at the local AutoX last weekend (fitted with a supercharger).  Goodness, that was a sexy car.

[12,000 RPM]

Your in McLaren 650s,  Lambos, Ferraris, etc range at the street price for a Porsche GT car.

Are those better than the GT3? Especially w/a 3rd pedal?

[CaminoRacer]

From what I've heard, the McLarens are fantastic to drive.

[68_427]

Are those better than the GT3? Especially w/a 3rd pedal?

If your criteria is it must have a 3rd pedal, then no.

[MexicoCityM3]

If your criteria is it must have a 3rd pedal, then no.

His fantasy criteria is "must have a manual". His reality criteria is he always gets an automatic.

[r0tor]

Are those better than the GT3? Especially w/a 3rd pedal?

Yes

[SVT_Power]

Ah yes the GT3 Touring, aka. 911R value killer

[Cookie Monster]

I'd rather have a manual GT3 over anything else in the price range (and Porsche lineup).

[12,000 RPM]

His fantasy criteria is "must have a manual". His reality criteria is he always gets an automatic.

G is my 8th car, but first manual. Do you know what "always" means?

If your criteria is it must have a 3rd pedal, then no.

It's not a must have, but it's a nice plus for this kind of car on the street. It's also naturally aspirated, RWD, and lighter than its competition. I suppose these things don't matter to MCM and the like as soon as I say they do to me, but I'd imagine such things would matter to enthusiasts

[r0tor]

I would think such enthusiasts would know at the $250k+ mark entries from McLaren and Ferrari are lighter

[Cookie Monster]

Yeah, I'd much rather have an NA, high revving flat 6 over anything else the competition brings. Plus a manual.

I also like how the GT3 isn't as flashy as other exotics like McLarens. Only true enthusiasts will know it's a special 911, so it flies under the radar in that regard, especially wingless. Plus, on the street the level of performance on these cars is so absurd anyways, who cares if it's slower or faster than its competitors. If you really cared about that you'd get a PDK GT3RS.

As a driver's car, GT3 Touring with 6MT all day for me.

[MexicoCityM3]

G is my 8th car, but first manual. Do you know what "always" means?

Perdón, ¿Qué?

[12,000 RPM]

I would think such enthusiasts would know at the $250k+ mark entries from McLaren and Ferrari are lighter

Perhaps, if we are defining "lighter" as "weighing more"

911 GT3 (manual/PDK): 3,116/3,153lbs
488 GTB: 3,362lbs
Huracan LP-580-2: 3,350lbs (estimated; Lambo has meaningless "dry weight" at 3,026lbs)
R8 V10: Approximately 1 Infiniti G37 Journey

[Cookie Monster]

Perdón, ¿Qué?

Bruh it's a manual because it has SlapSHIFT ^TM.

[r0tor]

Yeah, I'd much rather have an NA, high revving flat 6 over anything else the competition brings. Plus a manual.

I also like how the GT3 isn't as flashy as other exotics like McLarens. Only true enthusiasts will know it's a special 911, so it flies under the radar in that regard, especially wingless. Plus, on the street the level of performance on these cars is so absurd anyways, who cares if it's slower or faster than its competitors. If you really cared about that you'd get a PDK GT3RS.

As a driver's car, GT3 Touring with 6MT all day for me.

It's an amazing car... But will never really compete with a mid engine carbon fiber monocoque car

[Cookie Monster]

It's an amazing car... But will never really compete with a carbon fiber monocoque car

In what way is that beneficial on the street?

[r0tor]

In what way is that beneficial on the street?

In what world is a GT3 built for the street?

[12,000 RPM]

In what world is a GT3 built for the street?

The world where they sell it for road use with airbags, catalytic converters, navigation and other shit that has nothing to do with the track? Our current world?

[Cookie Monster]

In what world is a GT3 built for the street?

It's called a Touring package... I'm assuming it's not a dedicated track car.

[r0tor]

It's called a Touring package... I'm assuming it's not a dedicated track car.

It's a GT car..  which are made for the track

Yippee, you can stay under the speed limit for 3 seconds at full throttle on the street

[12,000 RPM]

It's a GT car..  which are made for the track

Yippee, you can stay under the speed limit for 3 seconds at full throttle on the street

GT = gran turismo alla long distance ROAD cruiser. Man you really just don't give a fuck what official definitions are huh

[MexicoCityM3]

It has exactly the same ground clearance and suspension as the "track" GT3. GT car it is not.

[r0tor]

Group GT3, known technically as Cup Grand Touring Cars and commonly referred to as simply GT3, is a set of regulations maintained by the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) for grand tourer racing cars designed for use in various auto racing series throughout the world.