991.2 GT3 Touring Package: Manual only with an understated appearance

[MX793]

Just where do you think Porsche came up with the "GT3" nameplate?  "GT" doesn't stand for "Grand Touring"  in Porscheland.

In the world of racing classification, "GT" classes are the ones intended for race cars adapted from road-legal, mass production automobiles (generally requires homologation) as opposed to purpose built racing cars.  This includes cars that might otherwise be classified as "sports cars" under traditional nomenclature (e.g. BMW Z4 or Porsche Boxster).  This is not really in keeping with the proper definition of the term.

[Cookie Monster]

A 650s is better on the street and track and in a straight line... Chris harris did this already

Wasn't that with a PDK RS? I can see how a 650S would be better on the street than the even more hardcore RS. I would think a milder GT3 with a true manual would be more fun and livable on the street.

[r0tor]

In the world of racing classification, "GT" classes are the ones intended for race cars adapted from road-legal, mass production automobiles (generally requires homologation) as opposed to purpose built racing cars.  This includes cars that might otherwise be classified as "sports cars" under traditional nomenclature (e.g. BMW Z4 or Porsche Boxster).  This is not really in keeping with the proper definition of the term.

I can't believe I have to go here

Wikipedia

The GT3, introduced in 1999, is named after the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) Group GT3 class, created in 2005, in which it was designed to compete.

The original 996 GT3 was sold to the public as a street legal version of the 996 GT3 Cup and GT3 R race cars.

The "GT" program at Porsche is the Porsche motorsports sports car racing program.  It has zilch to do with "Grand Touring".  Good grief...

[r0tor]

Wasn't that with a PDK RS? I can see how a 650S would be better on the street than the even more hardcore RS. I would think a milder GT3 with a true manual would be more fun and livable on the street.

The 650s suspension is the key factor. The GT3 at any trim can't compete with its ability to handle both the street and track.

[68_427]

"The GT3, introduced in 1999, is named after the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) Group GT3 class, created in 2005, in which it was designed to compete."


You don't see a problem with this? 

[Cookie Monster]

The 650s suspension is the key factor. The GT3 at any trim can't compete with its ability to handle both the street and track.

Eh, I've put most of my cars on coilovers. I'll deal with a bit harsher of a ride if it means getting a real manual.

[giant_mtb]

"The GT3, introduced in 1999, is named after the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) Group GT3 class, created in 2005, in which it was designed to compete."


You don't see a problem with this? 

lmfao

That's weird.

[12,000 RPM]

Another reason to buy Porsches. Clearly they are prescient- look at the success of the Cayenne, which came out around the same time. They knew what was going to happen.

[r0tor]

"The GT3, introduced in 1999, is named after the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) Group GT3 class, created in 2005, in which it was designed to compete."


You don't see a problem with this? 

... How about you read the history of Sports Car racing, realize that it existed before 2005 and then throw in the history of the 993 GT2 homologation cars and figure it out...

[12,000 RPM]

... How about you read the history of Sports Car racing, realize that it existed before 2005 and then throw in the history of the 993 GT2 homologation cars and figure it out...

Being r0tor:

Step 1: Post something ridiculous and contradictory
Step 2: Get angry when people notice
Step 3: Move the goalposts, repeat step 1

[68_427]

  The 996 GT3 was introduced in 1999 and raced in FIA N-GT

Yes groups 1-4 existed in the early 90s but by the time the 996 GT3 came out GT1 was no more, GT2 became GT and then below that was N-GT.

[r0tor]

There is usually a few years of planning involved before a new series is started.  993 GT2 competed in GT2 class racing.  The 996 GT3 was meant to compete in a lower class since it was not a turbo monster, hence it gets a GT3 designation during a messy ass transition period in sports car racing which would have meant a slower class in the past and would once again mean that level of car in the future.

In any event and back to the original topic, GT is in no way shape or form "Grand Touring" in Porsche... It's their sports car racing program

[Tave]

r0tor is correct. "Porsche GT" is an actual division within the Porsche business umbrella which focuses on performance/track-ready vehicles, basically a harder edged version of AMG or M-Division. That the nomenclature has historical roots in various gran turismo racing series does not mean their purpose is making luxury grand tourers.

[68_427]

I heard in another video that the suspension and aero have different tuning as well as the more luxury focused interior.  So the touring name is fine in this instance.  (which IIRC was the issue in the first place?)

[MexicoCityM3]

I heard in another video that the suspension and aero have different tuning as well as the more luxury focused interior.  So the touring name is fine in this instance.  (which IIRC was the issue in the first place?)

My understanding is that the aero is different (there is no aero basically) but everything else is the same.

[68_427]

My understanding is that the aero is different (there is no aero basically) but everything else is the same.

I think I heard that they basically took 911 style aero, updated it, and then modified the suspension tuning to match.  No word on how that changes it's road manners.

[CaminoRacer]

Suspension tuning goes hand-in-hand with aero so some changes were probably necessary to make up for the lower grip levels.