Can The Kia Stinger Take On The All-Aussie Holden Commodore?

[12,000 RPM]

Since when is 0-60 in 4.6 seconds "bad"?



You guys are insane.

Driving experience is more than metrics. For example Genesis I was looking at is as fast as the G, handles as well too, on paper at least.... but the transmission sucked. The only time it feels that fast is WOT, otherwise the transmission kicks down. ZF8 by contrast is awesome, responsive and always in the right gear. It's those details that make the difference

[Payman]

Driving experience is more than metrics. For example Genesis I was looking at is as fast as the G, handles as well too, on paper at least.... but the transmission sucked. The only time it feels that fast is WOT, otherwise the transmission kicks down. ZF8 by contrast is awesome, responsive and always in the right gear. It's those details that make the difference

Yes, but magazines are giving the Stinger positive reviews, and it's really not fair to pre-judge it against older models.

[MX793]

Randy Pobst and Motor Trend gave it a so-so review.  Fun on the street at 7 or 8 10ths, but not composed enough to threaten the established players on the track at 9+ 10ths.  Good first effort, but room to improve.  Felt a lot like the Genesis coupe's early reviews.

[CaminoRacer]

Does track performance really matter?

[MX793]

Does track performance really matter?

To some it might.  There are people that track or auto-x their sport sedans.  To them, it could be the tipping point between this and something else.

[12,000 RPM]

Does track performance really matter?

Read my mind. I'm gonna say no, but details matter. For the street, good damping, good engine sound and response, tight brake feel and a smart + responsive transmission are key. It falls short in those areas.

I don't think the # of people who track their brand new warrantee'd sports sedans is big enough to move the needle. I.e. I don't think it's worth it to them to pay for oil/transmission coolers or any of that shit.

[veeman]

My brother in law took his certified S5 to an Audi sponsored driving/track day outside of Chicago a year or so ago.  He said there were something like 20 people there and it was the most fun he ever had while driving and was amazed at what his car could do especially with a professional driver behind the wheel.  He said that by the end of the day some of the people had "check engine" lights on in their car and he was glad his did not.  He doesn't think he'll do it again for a while

[MexicoCityM3]

This KIA is good value for money. That's about it.

[12,000 RPM]

This KIA is good value for money. That's about it.

What more is necessary? It's a good car without the brand tax. That's a good thing

[Raza]

With Kia/Hyundai, they're always one generation away it seems.

That's how I feel about most Japanese cars I've driven. 

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[CaminoRacer]

That's how I feel about most Japanese cars I've driven. 

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I wish I could buy a brand new Integra

[Submariner]

Boy racer ugly.

But it's fast, that's for sure.

[12,000 RPM]

I wish I could buy a brand new Integra

Just spot weld and put a half cage in an old one.

[MexicoCityM3]

What more is necessary? It's a good car without the brand tax. That's a good thing

This again. It's a good car, not best in class by any means. Thus, value for money is its main selling point.

For best in class the selling point is just that, not value for money. We´ve had tons of discussions on whether it´s worth it or not. That people buy & pay for the german premium means it is worth it to them, though something tells me that's hard to grasp for you.

[Raza]

I wish I could buy a brand new Integra

I still want a DC5 ITR. Those things were hot. Whenever you see an RSX these days, they're all clapped out and dinky looking.

[MrH]

I wish I could buy a brand new Integra

There's a lot of cars I wish they would just start making again (preferably at a huge discount )

- IS300
- E46 Wagon
- Civic Si EP3
- RSX Type S

It'd be awesome if I could buy a new Civic Si EP3 for like $16k.

[Cookie Monster]

There's a lot of cars I wish they would just start making again (preferably at a huge discount )

- IS300
- E46 Wagon
- Civic Si EP3
- RSX Type S

It'd be awesome if I could buy a new Civic Si EP3 for like $16k.

One of those is not like the others.

[12,000 RPM]

EP3/DC5 had the worst suspensions in Honda history.

If you can find a competent shop, you can get an old DWB Honda shell and a K-series engine put together for ~$15K. Probably $20K with an integrated cage & chassis refresh

[Soup DeVille]

EP3/DC5 had the worst suspensions in Honda history.

If you can find a competent shop, you can get an old DWB Honda shell and a K-series engine put together for ~$15K. Probably $20K with an integrated cage & chassis refresh

Perfectly capable street chassis. Just because they didn't have the adjustability needed for racing didnt make them bad at what they were intended for.

[12,000 RPM]

I suppose that is fair, but it was more a geometry issue than an adjustability issue. Weird steering rack placement and bump steer issues. Real Time Racing got the go ahead to completely re-engineer the rear suspension in their RSX race car and there are a lot of after market fixes like kits to flip your tie rods from on top to under. Other than that though they were solid.

[Soup DeVille]

I suppose that is fair, but it was more a geometry issue than an adjustability issue. Weird steering rack placement and bump steer issues. Real Time Racing got the go ahead to completely re-engineer the rear suspension in their RSX race car and there are a lot of after market fixes like kits to flip your tie rods from on top to under. Other than that though they were solid.

Mine never had a hint of bump steer.

It would show up on lowered cars I understand.

[MX793]

Suspension geometry on the EP3 isn't ideal.  Lowered cars have issues.  Guys who auto-x them have to run stupid high spring rates in the rear because of the camber curve.

[giant_mtb]

I still want a DC5 ITR. Those things were hot. Whenever you see an RSX these days, they're all clapped out and dinky looking.

That's what's happening to all the older VWs and Audis around here. They seem to be very popular with the stance crowd.  Half were probably blown up or close to it when they bought them, so they get to work on them and shit.

[12,000 RPM]

I would rather an old VW get stanced than something like an S2000 or w/e. Sometimes trolololling goes too far. To me, something like a 911 or even a Z rendered undrivable is that.

[Raza]

That's what's happening to all the older VWs and Audis around here. They seem to be very popular with the stance crowd.  Half were probably blown up or close to it when they bought them, so they get to work on them and shit.

Stretch and poke on like MkIII Golfs and Jettas was a thing for around a year, but I haven't seen a car like that in 5 years, I don't think. In fact, I don't see a lot of rice in the city. Mods are different here. Limo tint, big wheels; that sort of thing.

[2o6]

IDK the EP3 is fun to drive, and I have no interest in armchair, bench racing about suspension curves.

[giant_mtb]

Stretch and poke on like MkIII Golfs and Jettas was a thing for around a year, but I haven't seen a car like that in 5 years, I don't think. In fact, I don't see a lot of rice in the city. Mods are different here. Limo tint, big wheels; that sort of thing.

We don't have black people, so there are no donks.

[MrH]

IDK the EP3 is fun to drive, and I have no interest in armchair, bench racing about suspension curves.

They still look great and are pretty fun to drive.  They're equipped well enough and have a great shifter.

A new one of those would make a great commuter car.

[2o6]

They still look great and are pretty fun to drive.  They're equipped well enough and have a great shifter.

A new one of those would make a great commuter car.

To be honest, the current gen Fit feels sort of similar, albeit slower.

[MrH]

To be honest, the current gen Fit feels sort of similar, albeit slower.

Uglier though