Honda CR-V

[Raza]

This is what EV advocates argue: 200-240 miles is the bladder-optimal range, so why sweat over a Tesla not doing 400 miles on a charge?

Exactly.  Drive 200 miles, stretch your legs, take a leak, wait 11 hours, and then be on your merry way.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Exactly.  Drive 200 miles, stretch your legs, take a leak, wait 11 hours, and then be on your merry way.

THATS THE ISSUE......... 

[Laconian]

DC fast charge is 90 miles per half hour on the Bolt. Some pause but not insurmountable.

[giant_mtb]

DC fast charge is 90 miles per half hour on the Bolt. Some pause but not insurmountable.

So a trip to my brother's house would take me an extra ~2.5 hours.  Sounds so great.

[Laconian]

You are describing a trip from Michigan to San Francisco, right?

Sounds reasonable to me. Gotta eat and pee sometime.

[giant_mtb]

You are describing a trip from Michigan to San Francisco, right?

Sounds reasonable to me. Gotta eat and pee sometime.

No, a 450 mile trip from one place in Michigan to another. 

[12,000 RPM]

Charging will get there. IT's not there now but it will get there in time.

[AutobahnSHO]

It still cracks me up that Tesla has a charger in Evanston, Wyoming. At the hotel.

You could charge up enough to get to the next city but that's it.   Locals won't be parking at that hotel, it's not close enough to walk to any work.

Seriously, go look it up when you get bored. Park City UT is like 45min away at 75mph. Fort Bridger WY has nothing. Green River WY is about the same size as Evanston, 10-14k people. But it's like 70miles away. 

[ifcar]

It still cracks me up that Tesla has a charger in Evanston, Wyoming. At the hotel.

You could charge up enough to get to the next city but that's it.   Locals won't be parking at that hotel, it's not close enough to walk to any work.

Seriously, go look it up when you get bored. Park City UT is like 45min away at 75mph. Fort Bridger WY has nothing. Green River WY is about the same size as Evanston, 10-14k people. But it's like 70miles away. 

The Tesla network is set up precisely so that you can get from one station to the next station, for someone who decides that a road trip is the best fit for their EV's skill set.

[Lebowski]

DC fast charge is 90 miles per half hour on the Bolt. Some pause but not insurmountable.

That's pretty disruptive on a road trip.

[12,000 RPM]

Thinking about the energy involved for a fast charge, IDK. Tesla has an 85kWh 375V battery. To charge that in 15 minutes, according to my calculation, you'd need damn near 1000A. That's like the feed coming into your house at 3x higher voltage. If the connector is anything less than perfect people will def die. So there may be a limit to how fast shit can charge just on the basis of safety. OSHA doesn't even want you looking at an electrical panel with that kind of energy flowing.... connecting/disconnecting is a 100%

[MX793]

That's pretty disruptive on a road trip.

And assumes there are fast chargers along your entire trip.  Though the availability is much better than it was even 5 years ago.

[AutobahnSHO]

The Tesla network is set up precisely so that you can get from one station to the next station, for someone who decides that a road trip is the best fit for their EV's skill set.

LOL it would only take you 10x? longer to get across Wyoming using pure electricity...

[AutobahnSHO]

Thinking about the energy involved for a fast charge, IDK. Tesla has an 85kWh 375V battery. To charge that in 15 minutes, according to my calculation, you'd need damn near 1000A. That's like the feed coming into your house at 3x higher voltage. If the connector is anything less than perfect people will def die. So there may be a limit to how fast shit can charge just on the basis of safety. OSHA doesn't even want you looking at an electrical panel with that kind of energy flowing.... connecting/disconnecting is a 100%

Wireless charging needs to be a thing. I saw a few years back Utah college had one that charged 90+% efficiently at 18inches from charging pad.  Big issue was if someone with a pacemaker stepped across it they might die..

[12,000 RPM]

Yea, unless they could focus that energy into a beam (rail gun? LOL) the EM field for that kind of charging would be crazy.

[Lebowski]

And assumes there are fast chargers along your entire trip.  Though the availability is much better than it was even 5 years ago.

Yeah, i imagine you'd have to plan your route based on fast charger availability?  Another big inconvenience.

I could see an electric car as one car in a 2 car household, but at this stage I'd definitely want at least one car in the household that can do long trips.

[MexicoCityM3]

Yeah, i imagine you'd have to plan your route based on fast charger availability?  Another big inconvenience.

I could see an electric car as one car in a 2 car household, but at this stage I'd definitely want at least one car in the household that can do long trips.

Electric cars are here for urban/local mobility if you can get a home charger. Those scenarios are in my opinion, solved and more appealing every day. Long trips: not yet and I think it will take several years, even a decade or more for that to really work to the point of being viable for a single vehicle family.

[Laconian]

Yea, unless they could focus that energy into a beam (rail gun? LOL) the EM field for that kind of charging would be crazy.

Focused masers from space satellites

[AutobahnSHO]

Yea, unless they could focus that energy into a beam (rail gun? LOL) the EM field for that kind of charging would be crazy.

Long range that might work. The next 10-20yrs?  Charging while parked at work, home, grocery store, etc...

The bus study I saw they would sit at certain stops for 20min anyway, and that was enough to get them charged up enough for another trip around their designated loop.

[Raza]

NFC charging stages across all highways. Charge as you drive past them.

[AutobahnSHO]

NFC charging stages across all highways. Charge as you drive past them.

Giant recharger trucks for your autonomous car to link to and charge while you drive

[CaminoRacer]

Quick replaceable batteries would be easier.

[MexicoCityM3]

How about some sort of liquid that can hold a lot of energy?












Oops.

[AutobahnSHO]

How about some sort of liquid that can hold a lot of energy?

Oops.

[veeman]

I don't know.  Is the U.S. electrical grid have enough capacity to charge all the cars on the road right now daily?  What about even 1/4 of the cars?

[12,000 RPM]

I don't know.  Is the U.S. electrical grid have enough capacity to charge all the cars on the road right now daily?  What about even 1/4 of the cars?

We definitely have the capacity. Here is a diagram I made showing how it would work.

[AutobahnSHO]

I love that information. Very astute and timely. We must syngergize to keep up that positive energy.

[CaminoRacer]

But is the blue area large enough for everyone to charge?

I'm sure / I hope the power companies have calculated that.

[12,000 RPM]

Car charging is dream demand for utilities as it would allow them to operate steadily 24/7. If that demand came on board they would accommodate it quickly. But there is definitely free capacity in the meantime.

[Morris Minor]

Early morning at the fitness center. Cayenne: clean & unadorned. CR-V: chrome, frippery, light cluster weirdness.