New Crossover for the house

[r0tor]

Oh look, the Stelvio reliability is based on NOTHING

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/alfa-romeo/stelvio/2019/reliability?pagestop

[Laconian]

I'd consider buying a used Stelvio if I was in the market.

[Raza]

X1 is definitely the choice.  Or F-Pace.  Oh, Discovery Sport, that's the way to go.

[FoMoJo]

X1 is definitely the choice.  Or F-Pace.  Oh, Discovery Sport, that's the way to go.

Excellent choice.

[Payman]

No... this is the way to go.

https://www.oldcaronline.com/1972-Jeep-Wagoneer-Cadillac-Michigan-for-sale-ID870791.htm

[RomanChariot]

No... this is the way to go.

https://www.oldcaronline.com/1972-Jeep-Wagoneer-Cadillac-Michigan-for-sale-ID870791.htm

Yes. Yes it is.

[12,000 RPM]

I keep reading the title as "Crossovah in da hoooouse"

[CaminoRacer]

+1 for the Wagoneer. Preferably with fake wood paneling.

[Xer0]

We've beaten around the bush enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQdZ2jOX1Ag&t=524s

[mzziaz]

Worst case scenario is buying something safe and boring for reliability, only to wind up with some stupid issues anyway.   

[r0tor]

Ironic the consumer reports reliability wonder love Subaru can't make cars currently due to failing power steering units...

[MrH]

Well, the Passport is out of the running.  $38k for an EX-L.   Too rich for my blood.

[12,000 RPM]

Passport is also fucking hideous

Mid grade CX-5 is your destiny

[68_427]

The and turbo cx5 had wheelspin in the straight pipes video.

[r0tor]

Well, the Passport is out of the running.  $38k for an EX-L.   Too rich for my blood.

Pretty much the average price for a new car -shrug-

[MrH]

Passport is also fucking hideous

Mid grade CX-5 is your destiny

Pretty much.  Grand Touring trim though.  Want those leather seats!

Wife goes out of town tomorrow.  Probably going to test drive some stuff this weekend.  At least need to give the Forester, Rav4, and CR-V a drive.

[BimmerM3]

Passport is also fucking hideous

Mid grade CX-5 is your destiny

The front fascia isn't my favorite thing in the world, but overall, I think the Passport looks great.

But yeah, CX-5 still seems like the best choice for Mike.

[Galaxy]

The Rav4 has the semi autonomous tech in the $25,000 base package right? Or does one need to get an upper trim?

[BimmerM3]

The Rav4 has the semi autonomous tech in the $25,000 base package right? Or does one need to get an upper trim?

Most of it. "Blind Spot Monitor with Rear Cross-Traffic Alert" is optional, and "Intelligent Clearance Sonar with Rear Cross-Traffic Braking" isn't available until the 2nd trim (for which it is optional).

https://www.toyota.com/rav4/features/mpg/4430/4440/4477

[Galaxy]

Most of it. "Blind Spot Monitor with Rear Cross-Traffic Alert" is optional, and "Intelligent Clearance Sonar with Rear Cross-Traffic Braking" isn't available until the 2nd trim (for which it is optional).

https://www.toyota.com/rav4/features/mpg/4430/4440/4477

So for $25.500 one gets:  Pre-Collision System65 with Pedestrian Detection69 (PCS w/PD) with low-light pedestrian detection and daytime cyclist detection, Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA)64 with Road Edge Detection and Sway Warning System (SWS),91 Automatic High Beams (AHB),71 Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC),62 Road Sign Assist (RSA)57 and Lane Tracing Assist (LTA)66

That really is a lot for the money.

[BimmerM3]

So for $25.500 one gets:  Pre-Collision System65 with Pedestrian Detection69 (PCS w/PD) with low-light pedestrian detection and daytime cyclist detection, Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA)64 with Road Edge Detection and Sway Warning System (SWS),91 Automatic High Beams (AHB),71 Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC),62 Road Sign Assist (RSA)57 and Lane Tracing Assist (LTA)66

That really is a lot for the money.

Honda and Mazda are starting to include a lot of that tech in their base models as well.

[MrH]

Sounds like the Mazda's lane keep assist isn't as good as everyone else's?

The Straight Pipes keep saying they're going to do a massive comparison of all of these systems.  That would be hugely helpful.  I'm surprised no one has done this yet.

[68_427]

Sounds like the Mazda's lane keep assist isn't as good as everyone else's?

The Straight Pipes keep saying they're going to do a massive comparison of all of these systems.  That would be hugely helpful.  I'm surprised no one has done this yet.

I mean is that super necessary?  It's there to save you from making a mistake, and not the lean on it your entire commute

[Laconian]

You're going to get the autonomy level 2 that you pay for. It's not going to do the commute for you.

[MrH]

If I'm paying $30k+ for a car, I want the best autonomous stuff out there   My Accord's lane keep assist is awesome.  Just saying it's an important feature.  If another OEM's assist stuff is leaps and bounds ahead of Mazda, that could sway me to look more at other cars.

[Laconian]

The cheaper Mazdas like the 3 have radar cruise sans stop and go, but the CX5 supports it.

Stop and go is a must here... so much time spent stopped :F

[r0tor]

I mean is that super necessary?  It's there to save you from making a mistake, and not the lean on it your entire commute

Yea, I read the C&D test on various emergency braking systems and they were all pretty much worthless above 30mph.  I would probably have more faith in that (not much) then lane assist systems correctly figuring out lanes

[Lebowski]

I mean is that super necessary?  It's there to save you from making a mistake, and not the lean on it your entire commute

I'm convinced most of this shit is just there to enable staring at a smartphone while driving.

[BimmerM3]

The cheaper Mazdas like the 3 have radar cruise sans stop and go, but the CX5 supports it.

Stop and go is a must here... so much time spent stopped :F

Mazda's Stop and Go is kind of annoying because it turns off if you're stopped for more than a few seconds. I don't know if other manufacturers do that or not.

Otherwise, it was awesome.

Personally though, I don't want to use any of these features other than radar cruise. I feel like it'd make me a lazy driver. More likely to zone out and whatnot.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

I'm convinced most of this shit is just there to enable staring at a smartphone while driving.