Stealerships gotta steal

[Raza]

Damn, my joke post created actual discussion. You guys used to be more fun. Time to go to an Android forum and let them know how much better iOS is.

[Soup DeVille]

:)

[FoMoJo]

Damn, my joke post created actual discussion. You guys used to be more fun. Time to go to an Android forum and let them know how much better iOS is.

Well I knew that.  "profit is the only morality" was a dead giveaway.

I was kinda surprised that MrH took it seriously.

[shp4man]

On my Chevy truck forum, Ford is "the F word" spelled F**d.   

[Eye of the Tiger]

On my Chevy truck forum, Ford is "the F word" spelled F**d.   

Haha! I can't stand the brand specific forums. So many tools.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Damn, my joke post created actual discussion. You guys used to be more fun. Time to go to an Android forum and let them know how much better iOS is.

iOS fucking sucks. Only tools and sheeple choose iOS and Apple products.

[MrH]

Being an intelligent consumer and holding businesses to reasonable moral standards are not mutually exclusive.

If you really believe that business are morally obligated to attempt to fuck over unsuspecting customers, then you're what's wrong with this country and much of the world.

Lol, no, I don't feel like they are morally obligated.  But ultimately everyone is responsible for themselves in this situation.  I'd stop going to a dealership pulling those kinds of tactics, but I also would blame myself if I fell for them.

[r0tor]

If you really believe that business are morally obligated to attempt to fuck over unsuspecting customers, then you're what's wrong with this country and much of the world.

Welcome to idiots guide to business 101

[r0tor]

Many bad shops manage to stay in business due to lack of information on the consumer's end. The BBB is an attempt to solve that, but not very good.

Stealerships are immune though unless you have more then 1 of your brand in the area...

[93JC]

Even if you do have more than one for a particular brand in the area, it may not matter. E.g. there are four Mazda dealerships here, and three are owned by the same family. The fourth used to be, but they sold it off a few years ago.

[Lebowski]

I've used the same service advisor at the Toyota dealership for years and I have it drilled into his head that I follow the manufacturers (not the dealerships) maintenance schedule exactly.

[12,000 RPM]

Yeah, free market doesn't mean free from morality or ethics.

I think MrH and other free market champions would disagree with that. There's nothing more immoral than the interference of a company fulfilling its fiduciary obligations. Especially to protect people from their own stupidity, for which they should not only be punished, but publicly shamed and ridiculed.

[FoMoJo]

I think MrH and other free market champions would disagree with that. There's nothing more immoral than the interference of a company fulfilling its fiduciary obligations. Especially to protect people from their own stupidity, for which they should not only be punished, but publicly shamed and ridiculed.

So basically, they're just a bunch of grifters?

[Payman]

I'll just say that I worked at a Walmart Tirenloob for a few months, and I quit because they were so incompetent. The number of new engines they had to buy for screw ups just had to kill any profits. There was no dishonesty, just stupidity.

If there was incompetence the first time, it would have been the last time. The guys at Walmart are here are pretty good, and I have nothing to complain about.

[r0tor]

I think MrH and other free market champions would disagree with that. There's nothing more immoral than the interference of a company fulfilling its fiduciary obligations. Especially to protect people from their own stupidity, for which they should not only be punished, but publicly shamed and ridiculed.

#MAGA

[BimmerM3]

Damn, my joke post created actual discussion. You guys used to be more fun. Time to go to an Android forum and let them know how much better iOS is.

I thought your post was brilliant - I just couldn't get over the, "this, but unironically" response to it.

I have mostly learned to just state my opinion and ignore the responses though. I've been around here long enough to know that I'm not going to convince anyone to change their viewpoints.

[AutobahnSHO]

Check your premise. It is immoral for a business not to try to maximize return off every customer. If your wife fell for it, that's her fault; she needs to educate herself or do the work herself. That is how the market works. A business exists to make a profit—that is the most moral and logical end to any existence as profit is the only morality—and your wife and other customers like her exist to feed businesses what they need. Simple. It's your wife's fault for not knowing better.

[AutobahnSHO]

I've used the same service advisor at the Toyota dealership for years and I have it drilled into his head that I follow the manufacturers (not the dealerships) maintenance schedule exactly.

I've never been back to the same dealer more than once except when they couldn't figure out Subaru overheating problem...

[AutobahnSHO]

If there was incompetence the first time, it would have been the last time. The guys at Walmart are here are pretty good, and I have nothing to complain about.

Walmart in Canada was so different. They know there is competition in the world. Not like US stores that just assume customers need them to survive....

[MrH]

I think MrH and other free market champions would disagree with that. There's nothing more immoral than the interference of a company fulfilling its fiduciary obligations. Especially to protect people from their own stupidity, for which they should not only be punished, but publicly shamed and ridiculed.

It's in the own best interest of the company to not screw over their customers.  r0tor probably isn't going to go to that dealership anymore, so it will end up being a net negative for them.  Trying to legislate upselling unnecessary service is impossible to monitor and enforce.

[12,000 RPM]

It's in the own best interest of the company to not screw over their customers.  r0tor probably isn't going to go to that dealership anymore, so it will end up being a net negative for them.  Trying to legislate upselling unnecessary service is impossible to monitor and enforce.

How is it a net negative? They're in business and have probably been doing this shit for years, just due to the simple fact that there are probably no convenient alternatives... especially for anything warranty related. And if not for r0tor, his wife would be none the wiser, getting fleeced every time she came in. Free market clearly isn't working for people like her.

It wouldn't be hard to enforce at all. Case would have to be made for replacing shit like a cabin air filter outside of the scheduled maintenance. If not, penalty slap. If there can be laws for recourse against medical malpractice shit like this is no big deal. Real life isn't a macroeconomics textbook

[r0tor]

I'll still be going there... Only alfa dealer in an hour drive and they same owner owns all the jeep dealers around

[BimmerM3]

TBH, I'm surprised that so many of you guys take your vehicles to the dealership for basic maintenance. I'm assuming the JGC isn't under warranty anymore, or is it?

[MrH]

How is it a net negative? They're in business and have probably been doing this shit for years, just due to the simple fact that there are probably no convenient alternatives... especially for anything warranty related. And if not for r0tor, his wife would be none the wiser, getting fleeced every time she came in. Free market clearly isn't working for people like her.

It wouldn't be hard to enforce at all. Case would have to be made for replacing shit like a cabin air filter outside of the scheduled maintenance. If not, penalty slap. If there can be laws for recourse against medical malpractice shit like this is no big deal. Real life isn't a macroeconomics textbook

There aren't convenient alternatives to get your oil changed?   It's a net negative because r0tor can and should stop going there for maintenance work.  Not that complicated.

Lol, who would enforce that?  Are you going to send the Department of Air Filter Assurance out there to audit these guys?  How would that work?  There isn't a practical solution to legislate this at all.  This is totally inane.

Medical malpractice results in lengthy lawsuits and settlements.  You're more than welcome to sue the dealership for you paying for an air filter that you don't need if you really want.

[Speed_Racer]

TBH, I'm surprised that so many of you guys take your vehicles to the dealership for basic maintenance. I'm assuming the JGC isn't under warranty anymore, or is it?

My local mazda dealer is always sending out service dept coupons - $30 w/ a filter compared to $20 at a JiffyLube or whatever. I don't do car oil changes myself anymore and I trust the dealer techs a little more than the oil change "techs." I do bring in my own OEM oil filters though, I'm that guy.

[shp4man]

There aren't convenient alternatives to get your oil changed?   It's a net negative because r0tor can and should stop going there for maintenance work.  Not that complicated.

Lol, who would enforce that?  Are you going to send the Department of Air Filter Assurance out there to audit these guys?  How would that work?  There isn't a practical solution to legislate this at all.  This is totally inane.

Medical malpractice results in lengthy lawsuits and settlements.  You're more than welcome to sue the dealership for you paying for an air filter that you don't need if you really want.

Yes, your honor, but we haven't determined if the vehicle actually needed the filters replaced. When was the last time they were replaced?   

[2o6]

TBH, I'm surprised that so many of you guys take your vehicles to the dealership for basic maintenance. I'm assuming the JGC isn't under warranty anymore, or is it?

It's cheap! I can get a full synthetic oil change in my car for about $7 more than I would pay doing it myself can and I don't have to get cold or dirty.

[93JC]

TBH, I'm surprised that so many of you guys take your vehicles to the dealership for basic maintenance. I'm assuming the JGC isn't under warranty anymore, or is it?

I used to because it only cost $36. That's about as much as oil and filter cost, completely ignoring the time for my own labour. I stopped taking the car to them because of the aforementioned upselling, and the cost for an oil change had ballooned to over $80. At that point $35 for my own materials and half an hour of my time seemed preferable.

[Raza]

Well I knew that.  "profit is the only morality" was a dead giveaway.

I was kinda surprised that MrH took it seriously.

Of course, the only person who took it seriously was the one who agreed with it.

[Raza]

I thought your post was brilliant - I just couldn't get over the, "this, but unironically" response to it.

I have mostly learned to just state my opinion and ignore the responses though. I've been around here long enough to know that I'm not going to convince anyone to change their viewpoints.