I think I effed up my shifter

Started by mazda6er, January 24, 2006, 08:39:19 PM

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saxonyron

#30
January 28, 2006, 10:03:48 PM
My '86 Audi Coupe GT didn't have an interlock.  A good deterrent to DUI's - 1. forget to press clutch 2. surge forward when you turn key 3. prove to girlfriend/wife that you shouldn't be driving.



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Raza

#31
January 29, 2006, 09:06:35 AM
Okay, could someone explain this to me?  If you don't have the clutch in, and you have the car in gear, wouldn't you not be able to start?  It would be like trying to start the engine in a stall situation.  

And if you are in neutral, wouldn't the brake be on, and you wouldn't go anywhere anyway?
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Pancor

#32
January 29, 2006, 09:53:19 AM
QuoteOkay, could someone explain this to me?  If you don't have the clutch in, and you have the car in gear, wouldn't you not be able to start?  It would be like trying to start the engine in a stall situation.  

And if you are in neutral, wouldn't the brake be on, and you wouldn't go anywhere anyway?
You're right, the car will most likely not be able to start with the clutch engaged and the tranny in gear.  However, because the car is in gear, your starter motor ends up turning the whole drivetrain, and therefore causes your car to move on the power of the battery instead of gasoline.   Not having an interlock is only a problem if you're not aware of its absense or are porne to moments of forgetfulness.  Otherwise, being able to move your vehicle even if your engine won't start and pushing it won't work is a huge benefit.  In fact, I remember a story of a race driver who's engine stalled, but he made it to within 40 feet of the finish line, then won the race by cranking his car over the line using his starter motor!  

As for your second paragraph, how does being in neutral equate to having the brakes on?  

Tom

#33
January 29, 2006, 03:04:43 PM
QuoteOkay, could someone explain this to me?  If you don't have the clutch in, and you have the car in gear, wouldn't you not be able to start?  It would be like trying to start the engine in a stall situation.  

And if you are in neutral, wouldn't the brake be on, and you wouldn't go anywhere anyway?
About the second thing, I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but it's fine to start the car in neutral even if the clutch is engaged(assuming the car doesn't have a safety feature that prohibits you from starting w/o pressing down the cutch.)

93JC

#34
January 29, 2006, 03:55:03 PM
QuoteOkay, could someone explain this to me?  If you don't have the clutch in, and you have the car in gear, wouldn't you not be able to start?  It would be like trying to start the engine in a stall situation.
If you had the handbrake engaged, yes. Otherwise? No, it should turn over just fine.

Of course, the starter motor will move the entire car forward in the process, which you must be prepared for.

Raza

#35
January 29, 2006, 09:40:59 PM
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QuoteOkay, could someone explain this to me?  If you don't have the clutch in, and you have the car in gear, wouldn't you not be able to start?  It would be like trying to start the engine in a stall situation. 

And if you are in neutral, wouldn't the brake be on, and you wouldn't go anywhere anyway?
You're right, the car will most likely not be able to start with the clutch engaged and the tranny in gear.  However, because the car is in gear, your starter motor ends up turning the whole drivetrain, and therefore causes your car to move on the power of the battery instead of gasoline.   Not having an interlock is only a problem if you're not aware of its absense or are porne to moments of forgetfulness.  Otherwise, being able to move your vehicle even if your engine won't start and pushing it won't work is a huge benefit.  In fact, I remember a story of a race driver who's engine stalled, but he made it to within 40 feet of the finish line, then won the race by cranking his car over the line using his starter motor!  

As for your second paragraph, how does being in neutral equate to having the brakes on?
If you've parked the car in neutral, and not in gear, wouldn't you use the handbrake to keep it in place?
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Pancor

#37
January 30, 2006, 09:05:38 PM
If you were in neutral, the starter motor obviously won't move the vehicle, because the motor and wheels aren't connected.   However, if you're in first gear and don't have an electronic device preventing you from cranking the motor with the clutch engaged, the handbrake will be practically useless, unless it is absolutely reefed on.  Think a very strong electric motor receiving nearly the full amperage of a car battery with a gear the size of a quarter turning a flywheel gear the size of a dinner plate.  That equals some torque, I can can assure you my finely tuned and operating handbrake didn't stop my car from lurching forward 6 feet.    
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