Maybe a good time to get a Nissan?

Started by veeman, May 09, 2024, 12:39:38 PM

veeman

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/05/nissan-allows-dealers-to-sell-cars-at-a-loss-up-to-15-below-invoice-to-spur-sales/

Last few years Nissan has upped their game a lot regarding design and interiors. I know the Altima has a reputation for being driven by asshats. If I was in the market for a Camcord, I'd look at the Altima and if I was in the market for a CRX or RAV4, I'd look at the Rogue. They don't win comparisons but they aren't horrible either. Usually get high marks for their interiors.

AutobahnSHO

They seem like solid appliances. Sure some have a bad reputation, but if you just need to get places and don't care about a boring car, who cares?
Will

giant_mtb

Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 12, 2024, 04:25:11 PMThey seem like solid appliances. Sure some have a bad reputation, but if you just need to get places and don't care about a boring car, who cares?

I'm inclined to agree. Nissans aren't very popular at all up here, but whenever I get the chance to detail a  newer one, I am surprised how nice the interior is. Same with Mazdas, which are also not very popular 'round these parts. They work.

CaminoRacer

Yeah I haven't disliked any newer Nissan. If you can avoid a CVT replacement it seems totally fine
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Madman



Looking over Nissan's current product portfolio, it becomes readily apparent the Rogue is their only competitive product.  Everything else is either roundly trounced by the competition, or is as old as the hills.  It's obvious Nissan won't (or can't) spend money on product development and frequently resorts to the "mutton dressed as lamb" approach by clothing very old underpinnings in new bodywork.

Look at the Nissan Z.  The 2023 model is effectively a reskin of the 2009 370Z, which itself was based on a slightly modified version of the 2003 350Z platform.  Likewise, the Z's VR engine is an evolution of the VQ engine which is now 30 years old.  So what we have here is a new body masking a very old car underneath.

I got stuck with a Nissan Kicks rental car last year and I can't even begin to fathom why anyone would spend their own money for one.  Wait, I can think on ONE reason.....

Living in Middle Tennessee, I am in Nissan Central.  Their US headquarters is in Franklin and there's a massive production facility in Smyrna, plus the engine plant in Decherd.  Just about everyone here is either related to someone or knows someone who can swing them a killer Friends & Family discount on a new Nissan.  This explains why, like cockroaches in a Waffle House, these damned Nissans are EVERYWHERE in my neck of the woods!

Even with this incentive, I still have no burning desire to buy one.


Current cars: 2015 Ford Escape SE, 2011 MINI Cooper

Formerly owned cars: 2010 Mazda 5 Sport, 2008 Audi A4 2.0T S-Line Sedan, 2003 Volkswagen Passat GL 1.8T wagon, 1998 Ford Escort SE sedan, 2001 Cadillac Catera, 2000 Volkswagen Golf GLS 2.0 5-Door, 1997 Honda Odyssey LX, 1991 Volvo 240 sedan, 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo sedan, 1987 Volvo 240 DL sedan, 1990 Peugeot 405 DL Sportswagon, 1985 Peugeot 505 Turbo sedan, 1985 Merkur XR4Ti, 1983 Renault R9 Alliance DL sedan, 1979 Chevrolet Caprice Classic wagon, 1975 Volkswagen Transporter, 1980 Fiat X-1/9 Bertone, 1979 Volkswagen Rabbit C 3-Door hatch, 1976 Ford Pinto V6 coupe, 1952 Chevrolet Styleline Deluxe sedan

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MrH

I can't think of a single competitive Nissan product at this point.
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Submariner2

Buying a new Nissan is a smart move if you hate yourself and get pleasure out of self-harm.  That's about it. 
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Madman

Quote from: MrH on May 13, 2024, 09:16:54 AMI can't think of a single competitive Nissan product at this point.


Rogue is somewhat competitive, or at least not terrible compared to the rest of its segment.  But I agree the rest of Nissan's lineup is garbage.


Current cars: 2015 Ford Escape SE, 2011 MINI Cooper

Formerly owned cars: 2010 Mazda 5 Sport, 2008 Audi A4 2.0T S-Line Sedan, 2003 Volkswagen Passat GL 1.8T wagon, 1998 Ford Escort SE sedan, 2001 Cadillac Catera, 2000 Volkswagen Golf GLS 2.0 5-Door, 1997 Honda Odyssey LX, 1991 Volvo 240 sedan, 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo sedan, 1987 Volvo 240 DL sedan, 1990 Peugeot 405 DL Sportswagon, 1985 Peugeot 505 Turbo sedan, 1985 Merkur XR4Ti, 1983 Renault R9 Alliance DL sedan, 1979 Chevrolet Caprice Classic wagon, 1975 Volkswagen Transporter, 1980 Fiat X-1/9 Bertone, 1979 Volkswagen Rabbit C 3-Door hatch, 1976 Ford Pinto V6 coupe, 1952 Chevrolet Styleline Deluxe sedan

"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." ~ Isaac Asimov

"I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses." - Johannes Kepler

"One of the most cowardly things ordinary people do is to shut their eyes to facts." - C.S. Lewis

Morris Minor

I saw lots of Rogues in New Zealand (OT: and, funnily enough, lots of Mazdas [or "Mazda's" as they say on the Internet]. Mazdas of all kinds, several of which I'd never seen before.)
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AutobahnSHO

Plenty of Nissans driven by a certain demographic around here.

I'd still buy one of these if they were cheap :thumbsup:

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Will

WookieOnRitalin

Quote from: Madman on May 13, 2024, 08:27:51 AMLooking over Nissan's current product portfolio, it becomes readily apparent the Rogue is their only competitive product.  Everything else is either roundly trounced by the competition, or is as old as the hills.  It's obvious Nissan won't (or can't) spend money on product development and frequently resorts to the "mutton dressed as lamb" approach by clothing very old underpinnings in new bodywork.

Look at the Nissan Z.  The 2023 model is effectively a reskin of the 2009 370Z, which itself was based on a slightly modified version of the 2003 350Z platform.  Likewise, the Z's VR engine is an evolution of the VQ engine which is now 30 years old.  So what we have here is a new body masking a very old car underneath.

I got stuck with a Nissan Kicks rental car last year and I can't even begin to fathom why anyone would spend their own money for one.  Wait, I can think on ONE reason.....

Living in Middle Tennessee, I am in Nissan Central.  Their US headquarters is in Franklin and there's a massive production facility in Smyrna, plus the engine plant in Decherd.  Just about everyone here is either related to someone or knows someone who can swing them a killer Friends & Family discount on a new Nissan.  This explains why, like cockroaches in a Waffle House, these damned Nissans are EVERYWHERE in my neck of the woods!

Even with this incentive, I still have no burning desire to buy one.




Yes, a lot of people in Middle Tennessee drive Nissans. Like all things, Nissan fell into a situation where they had to focus on being profitable versus being interesting. I fail to see what they offer much to the enthusiasts even though they have made vehicles over time that I felt were engaging and interesting.

If I was going to buy a Nissan now it would be an Pro 4x Xterra. A true utility vehicle that is half the price of a FJ or 4Runner. It's a shame they do not make them anymore.
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