IFCAR Comparo: Ultra-Luxury Sedans

[Raza]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

[Raghavan]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

[Raza]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.  

[Raghavan]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

it's still a nice ride, just not as cool as an XJR.

[ifcar]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

[BMWDave]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

He means the style of driving...and LS is very laid back.  Theres a saying, and old man will buy a young mans car, but a young man will never buy a old mans car.  

[Raghavan]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

He means the style of driving...and LS is very laid back.  Theres a saying, and old man will buy a young mans car, but a young man will never buy a old mans car.

there is? never heard of that before.

[BMWDave]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

He means the style of driving...and LS is very laid back.  Theres a saying, and old man will buy a young mans car, but a young man will never buy a old mans car.

there is? never heard of that before.

A 80 year old will buy a BMW 3 series, but a 20 year old will never buy a Buick Century.  Thats basically the logic of the saying.

[R33 GT-R]

How about don't shit where you eat.    :P  

[BMWDave]

How about don't shit where you eat.    :P

huh?

[ifcar]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

He means the style of driving...and LS is very laid back.  Theres a saying, and old man will buy a young mans car, but a young man will never buy a old mans car.

While that may be the case, not all young people are going after sporty handling.  

[Raza]

How about don't shit where you eat.    :P

That's also a good piece of advice.

[Raza]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

He means the style of driving...and LS is very laid back.  Theres a saying, and old man will buy a young mans car, but a young man will never buy a old mans car.

While that may be the case, not all young people are going after sporty handling.

Responsiveness...I'm not asking for all of them to be Caterhams, I just want some feeling and some confidence in its athleticism.  

[ifcar]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

He means the style of driving...and LS is very laid back.  Theres a saying, and old man will buy a young mans car, but a young man will never buy a old mans car.

While that may be the case, not all young people are going after sporty handling.

Responsiveness...I'm not asking for all of them to be Caterhams, I just want some feeling and some confidence in its athleticism.

But I would assume that you don't consider yourself to be the typical consumer.    

[Raza]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

He means the style of driving...and LS is very laid back.  Theres a saying, and old man will buy a young mans car, but a young man will never buy a old mans car.

While that may be the case, not all young people are going after sporty handling.

Responsiveness...I'm not asking for all of them to be Caterhams, I just want some feeling and some confidence in its athleticism.

But I would assume that you don't consider yourself to be the typical consumer.  

That's true.  But even my father hated the LS430's driving characteristics.

[TBR]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

He means the style of driving...and LS is very laid back.  Theres a saying, and old man will buy a young mans car, but a young man will never buy a old mans car.

While that may be the case, not all young people are going after sporty handling.

Responsiveness...I'm not asking for all of them to be Caterhams, I just want some feeling and some confidence in its athleticism.

But I would assume that you don't consider yourself to be the typical consumer.  

Cars can have smooth, quiet rides and still be fun to drive,and, from your review it sounds like the BMW came closest to doing that.  

[ifcar]

Dont turn this thread into smiley whoring...let get back on topic.

Sorry.  I thought it was going that way, and it's hard to fight--like the current in the ocean.

Anyway, the LS430 is outclassed in this class.  It belongs with the old Deville and Town Car.  It's the best of those, though.

the LS is a great car. pretty ingenious features.

It's an old person mobile.

Which age group did you think could afford to buy an $80,000 vehicle? MOST luxury sedans are bought mostly by the middle-aged and up.

He means the style of driving...and LS is very laid back.  Theres a saying, and old man will buy a young mans car, but a young man will never buy a old mans car.

While that may be the case, not all young people are going after sporty handling.

Responsiveness...I'm not asking for all of them to be Caterhams, I just want some feeling and some confidence in its athleticism.

But I would assume that you don't consider yourself to be the typical consumer.  

Cars can have smooth, quiet rides and still be fun to drive,and, from your review it sounds like the BMW came closest to doing that.

The BMW and Mercedes both came close, but for $20,000 more they aren't going to win.

[BMWDave]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

[Raghavan]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

[BMWDave]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

[Raghavan]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.  

[BMWDave]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.

I see.  I dont know why MT would do that comparo, being that the Audi is cheaper than the others by a lot.

[Raghavan]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.

I see.  I dont know why MT would do that comparo, being that the Audi is cheaper than the others by a lot.

$30k diff. and the wierd thing is that the audi won! :o  

[BMWDave]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.

I see.  I dont know why MT would do that comparo, being that the Audi is cheaper than the others by a lot.

$30k diff. and the wierd thing is that the audi won! :o

Yup.

[Raghavan]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.

I see.  I dont know why MT would do that comparo, being that the Audi is cheaper than the others by a lot.

$30k diff. and the wierd thing is that the audi won! :o

Yup.

 

[TBR]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.

I see.  I dont know why MT would do that comparo, being that the Audi is cheaper than the others by a lot.

Probably because those three are the large luxury cars that would most likely be purchased by high style people. So, I suspect that styling probably played a bigger role than anything else in determining the outcome.  

[BMWDave]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.

I see.  I dont know why MT would do that comparo, being that the Audi is cheaper than the others by a lot.

Probably because those three are the large luxury cars that would most likely be purchased by high style people. So, I suspect that styling probably played a bigger role than anything else in determining the outcome.

Do you think styling should play an outcome?  All the sedans undoubtedly have lots of road presence, so its just a question of which one you like more, which is totally subjective.

[TBR]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.

I see.  I dont know why MT would do that comparo, being that the Audi is cheaper than the others by a lot.

Probably because those three are the large luxury cars that would most likely be purchased by high style people. So, I suspect that styling probably played a bigger role than anything else in determining the outcome.

Do you think styling should play an outcome?  All the sedans undoubtedly have lots of road presence, so its just a question of which one you like more, which is totally subjective.

I agree with that, but I think the point of the comparo was to compare the large luxury cars that the rich and famous would most likely buy.  

[BMWDave]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.

I see.  I dont know why MT would do that comparo, being that the Audi is cheaper than the others by a lot.

Probably because those three are the large luxury cars that would most likely be purchased by high style people. So, I suspect that styling probably played a bigger role than anything else in determining the outcome.

Do you think styling should play an outcome?  All the sedans undoubtedly have lots of road presence, so its just a question of which one you like more, which is totally subjective.

I agree with that, but I think the point of the comparo was to compare the large luxury cars that the rich and famous would most likely buy.

But who are they to say that an actor (just an example) would want an A8 over a Jaguar just because of they styling.  Styling is subjective, and should be left that way.

[TBR]

Well that brings us to the price argument again.

i wanted to add something interesting: MT did a comaparo between an Audi A8, a jag super v8, and a maserati quattroporte.

So?  I believe the A8 was a W12, although I'm not totally sure.  And even still, it just reinforces the notion that the Jag Super competes with cars like the Quattraporte.

as i said, so iffy could've compared teh XJR, but apparently, his opinion and my opinion on comfort vary, so whatever.
and the A8 was a V8.

I see.  I dont know why MT would do that comparo, being that the Audi is cheaper than the others by a lot.

Probably because those three are the large luxury cars that would most likely be purchased by high style people. So, I suspect that styling probably played a bigger role than anything else in determining the outcome.

Do you think styling should play an outcome?  All the sedans undoubtedly have lots of road presence, so its just a question of which one you like more, which is totally subjective.

I agree with that, but I think the point of the comparo was to compare the large luxury cars that the rich and famous would most likely buy.

But who are they to say that an actor (just an example) would want an A8 over a Jaguar just because of they styling.  Styling is subjective, and should be left that way.

I never said that was the only determining factor, just that more weight was probably put on it than normal. I was saying that the reason those particular cars were selected for the comparision was probably because of their styling.