C&D: Audi S6 vs BMW M5 (M/T) vs Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG

[TheIntrepid]

I admit my post was far less quality then your "roll eye" post or one sentence post. After all they add so much more quality to the discussion at hand.

Don't take it personally... Jordan's cool.

[1 BAD 7]

I will look into the weight difference. I know S85 V10 in M5 weighs 525 Ib in dressed form. The V8 in E63 AMG is following in foot steps of high reving concept rather then MB traditional big torque concepts al la E55 AMG. Now the E55 AMG had 510 Ib-ft of torque vs 465 Ib-ft of E63 AMG.  Maybe Cawimmer can provide us with fully dressed weight of AMG V8 in E63 AMG.

Good points!  I can see why the BMW will eventually out run the Merc.  It's the same as a high cadence on a bicycle.  A fast spin uses less energy to maintain speed.  However, it would seem the benefit is on the higher end of the spectrum.  I prefer the opposite.  In F1 the engine speed is great since they're doing 200 mph.  For every day driving I still think I'd prefer the V8 of the Mercedes.  How much lighter is the BMW engine?

[Andaluz]

I reckon Kayani_1 post on the 2nd page was very insightful. He clearly knows what he is on about. 

[JYODER240]

Kayani knows what he's talking about but he so blindly follows BMW its pathetic.

[Andaluz]

Kayani knows what he's talking about but he so blindly follows BMW its pathetic.

In that case...than it's a serious problem. 

I've had a lot of trouble with blind BMW fans. I once got banned of a forum, simply because I kindly said the BMW 3-Series E90 looks crap. It may be a good car, no doubts about it. Such a shame BMW screwed up the looks in this late 3-Series generation. The previous E36 and E46 were nice and GERMAN looking cars. The E90 looks like a Korean copy of a BMW.

[850CSi]

In that case...than it's a serious problem.?

I've had a lot of trouble with blind BMW fans. I once got banned of a forum, simply because I kindly said the BMW 3-Series E90 looks crap. It may be a good car, no doubts about it. Such a shame BMW screwed up the looks in this late 3-Series generation. The previous E36 and E46 were nice and GERMAN looking cars. The E90 looks like a Korean copy of a BMW.

BAN HIM PLZ!!!!!!!!!!

[cawimmer430]

I will look into the weight difference. I know S85 V10 in M5 weighs 525 Ib in dressed form. The V8 in E63 AMG is following in foot steps of high reving concept rather then MB traditional big torque concepts al la E55 AMG. Now the E55 AMG had 510 Ib-ft of torque vs 465 Ib-ft of E63 AMG.  Maybe Cawimmer can provide us with fully dressed weight of AMG V8 in E63 AMG.

Hey Kayani, it's all cool man. 

I know the M5 V10 has a badass engine sound, I've heard them in real life. But I am sure you'd even agree that in this video, the M5 V10 didn't sound as badass compared to the E63 AMG. 

[Catman]

Hey Kayani, it's all cool man.?

I know the M5 V10 has a badass engine sound, I've heard them in real life. But I am sure you'd even agree that in this video, the M5 V10 didn't sound as badass compared to the E63 AMG.?

Sometimes sound is what matters.  

[ro51092]

I still think I'd choose the M5 out of this bunch. 

Ditto.

[Catman]

Ditto.

Wow, I'm really surprised.  Are you serious?

[cawimmer430]

Sometimes sound is what matters.  

[850CSi]

If I had to have ONE car and had to choose between the bunch, it would be a Graphite/Black 7SMG M5.

And I still don't understand the complaints about i-Drive. It's been out for nearly 6 years now and they still haven't learned to use it?

[Colonel Cadillac]

However complex and good the M5 engine may be, it still sounds like a Honda. Plus, the high revving with no torque combination is not always fun; I love an engine that will actually pull at all speeds instead of revving into the higher RPM ranges to actually get the car moving.

[cawimmer430]

And I still don't understand the complaints about i-Drive. It's been out for nearly 6 years now and they still haven't learned to use it?

Get a Lexus. 

[saxonyron]

If I had to have ONE car and had to choose between the bunch, it would be a Graphite/Black 7SMG M5.

And I still don't understand the complaints about i-Drive. It's been out for nearly 6 years now and they still haven't learned to use fixed it?

There.  That's better!   

I've never really used it too much, but the complaints are so universal, from customers to magazines, there must be something about it that needs fixing.  You'd figure that all the technical might of BMW should have been able to at least tweak the system.  I've read a few comparos that had the BMW winning but took 2nd place due to i-Drive frustration.  Where there's smoke there's fire, and BMW is nutty for not snuffing this out before it got out of hand. 

[1 BAD 7]

Thanks for the nice compliments Andaluz that was mighty nice of you. 

As for his claim that I follow BMW blindly is immature and nothing more then his preconceived opinion/image of me.  He doesnot know me that well and should not pretend otherwise. I dont blindly follow BMW nor any other car maker for that matter. On the other hand I do admire the engineering passion BMW uses to make their cars more soul full and fun to drive. I admire the same passion in Porsche or Ferrari or any other car makers cars that put that extra something in their cars that makes them stand out from the norm.

Besides that Iam a proud owner of BMW cars and I enjoy driving them. Yes I have tendency to stand up for what I believe and I state my opinion about the cars I like. Now if all that translates into me blindly following BMW brand then I cant change few peoples mind set and what they think of me. I have owned many different cars and admire cars from across the spectrum. The funny thing is one of my most favorite car these days is not even from BMW brand so much for following the BMW brand blindly.  Yet certain characters will label you with their preconceived images just because you disagreed with them in certain discussion of cars.


At the end of the day they can call me what they want. But all Iam is just an automotive fanatic to the max and I love all good car and motorcycles. 
 

In that case...than it's a serious problem. 

I've had a lot of trouble with blind BMW fans. I once got banned of a forum, simply because I kindly said the BMW 3-Series E90 looks crap. It may be a good car, no doubts about it. Such a shame BMW screwed up the looks in this late 3-Series generation. The previous E36 and E46 were nice and GERMAN looking cars. The E90 looks like a Korean copy of a BMW.

[1 BAD 7]

Hey Cawimmer there is no doubt that E55 or E63 AMG engines are bad ass period.

Hell even the V8 engine in my best friends MB SL500 sounds very nice. In that video on the previous page I heard both the engines and I thought they both were real nice and very unique in there own ways. I have also heard M5 V10 engine in person while driving it arround. The M5 engine has a very high pitched growl that comes alive as the rpms climb. I love the high pitched sounds of high reving engines. Man I truly love the sound of super sport class bikes that rev to 13,000 rpms.

The AMG V8's have more heavy bass and muscle car sort of sound to it which is also sweet.

Hey Kayani, it's all cool man. 

I know the M5 V10 has a badass engine sound, I've heard them in real life. But I am sure you'd even agree that in this video, the M5 V10 didn't sound as badass compared to the E63 AMG. 

[dazzleman]

If I had to have ONE car and had to choose between the bunch, it would be a Graphite/Black 7SMG M5.

And I still don't understand the complaints about i-Drive. It's been out for nearly 6 years now and they still haven't learned to use it?

I'm a retarded technophobe who can't even manage to figure out how to post a picture online, but I had no trouble learning the I-drive.  If I can do it, anybody should be able to.

[MrH]

I reckon Kayani_1 post on the 2nd page was very insightful. He clearly knows what he is on about. 

Knows what he's talking about?

You've got to be kidding me.  I refrained from ripping apart his horrible conception of torque in horsepower in the biking example because I thought it was clear he didn't know what he was talking about.  If it's absolutely needed, I'll oblige though.

[saxonyron]

I'm a retarded technophobe who can't even manage to figure out how to post a picture online, but I had no trouble learning the I-drive. If I can do it, anybody should be able to.

I forgot you liked the I-Drive.  And I do know you're not fibbing when you say you're a technophobe (but I wouldn't call you retarded - maybe just mildly challenged. Besides, as Psilos said, it's not nice to use "retarded" as a pejorative! ), so this must be a case of a few severely technophobic car writers who got frustrated after 10 minutes behind the wheel and condemned the whole thing.  I know when I test drove the A6, the MMI was great in some cases, and in other cases, I was hopelessly lost. But that's the situation with every technological thing. 

When I first got my nav system  on my Palm, the technophobe in me wanted to curse it, but I realized that someone smarter than I designed it and I'd give it a fair chance.  After a few days, it became my best friend with what I now describe as "simple controls" - but they didn't seem so simple at first!

[cawimmer430]

Hey Cawimmer there is no doubt that E55 or E63 AMG engines are bad ass period.

Hell even the V8 engine in my best friends MB SL500 sounds very nice. In that video on the previous page I heard both the engines and I thought they both were real nice and very unique in there own ways. I have also heard M5 V10 engine in person while driving it arround. The M5 engine has a very high pitched growl that comes alive as the rpms climb. I love the high pitched sounds of high reving engines. Man I truly love the sound of super sport class bikes that rev to 13,000 rpms.

The AMG V8's have more heavy bass and muscle car sort of sound to it which is also sweet.

[SVT_Power]

So the E63 came out on top?

[850CSi]

I don't see what people hate so much about the new M5; I have a soft spot for its predecessor, so I still like the E39 more, but the new one is a better car (besides style, which is subjective). It lost 12lbs and gained 2 cylinders and 100hp.

[cawimmer430]

The HOTTEST E63 AMG I've ever seen!

[cawimmer430]

So the E63 came out on top?

1 point ahead of the Audi.

[nickdrinkwater]

The HOTTEST E63 AMG I've ever seen!

I don't know; I think Black suits it better, that White would never look clean except for the summer!  Each to their own, though 

[cawimmer430]

I don't know; I think Black suits it better, that White would never look clean except for the summer!  Each to their own, though 

I'm a big fan of white luxury cars. I think white looks good on almost every Mercedes. If I were to get an E63 AMG, it would have to look like the baby above.

[VetteZ06]

Motor Trend did the exact same test this month. The only difference (and it's a big one) is that the M5 had the SMG and not the 6-speed manual. The Audi finished first, followed by the M5, and the E63 brought up the rear.

The Bimmer's acceleration numbers were much better in this test compared to C&D's test, no doubt a result of the SMG.

[Catman]

I don't see what people hate so much about the new M5; I have a soft spot for its predecessor, so I still like the E39 more, but the new one is a better car (besides style, which is subjective). It lost 12lbs and gained 2 cylinders and 100hp.

I don't know either.  I like the 540 better for some reason.

[Raza]

I don't see what people hate so much about the new M5; I have a soft spot for its predecessor, so I still like the E39 more, but the new one is a better car (besides style, which is subjective). It lost 12lbs and gained 2 cylinders and 100hp.

My car will whup it around a tight track.



Oh my god, I love saying that.