Edmunds: LS600h L is "tough to justify"

[850CSi]

AWD > RWD

Having had both, No.

[Raza]

AWD > RWD

Spoken like someone afraid of RWD cars.

[Raghavan]

AWD is heavy and saps power, and for lower power applications you don't really even need it.

[Eye of the Tiger]

AWD is heavy and saps power, and for lower power applications you don't really even need it.

... unless you insist on using summer-tires and you live on an ice-rink.

[the Teuton]

AWD > RWD

Damn straight! 

[TheIntrepid]

You have FWD too, so well spoken!

[JYODER240]

The LS460 isn't a rebadge of any Toyota. Neither is the IS350 or the GS430/450h.

The GS is a reengineered Avalon.

[JYODER240]

AWD > RWD

Why's that?

[Raghavan]

The GS is a reengineered Avalon.

Right, the RWD car is based on an FWD one, right?

[TheIntrepid]

The GS is a reengineered Avalon.

No it's not.

[rjm]

No it's not.

He should've said ES.

[ifcar]

Depends on whether the 2005 Avalon was redesigned on the 2002-2006 or the 2007 Camry/ES platform. But it's definitely closer to the truth.

[JYODER240]

I know the Avalon is FWD and the GS is AWD/RWD but I swear that I read somewhere that they are based on each other. Either way they share some componets.

[Raghavan]

I know the Avalon is FWD and the GS is AWD/RWD but I swear that I read somewhere that they are based on each other. Either way they share some componets.

I bet the Z and Maxima share SOMETHING but they aren't based off of each other.

[ifcar]

I know the Avalon is FWD and the GS is AWD/RWD but I swear that I read somewhere that they are based on each other. Either way they share some componets.

Same V6, but that's it.

[JYODER240]

I bet the Z and Maxima share SOMETHING but they aren't based off of each other.

No kidding Sherlock

I'll try to find where i read it, it might have been some literature from work but I don't really remember it was awhile ago.

[TheIntrepid]

He should've said ES.

No. The ES is a rebadged Camry.

[Raghavan]

That doesn't make any sense at all.

[TheIntrepid]

Same V6, but that's it.

Yes, but almost all Toyotas now share that 3.5. The Camry, Avalon, Sienna, IS350, ES350, GS350, RX350

[Eye of the Tiger]

No kidding Sherlock

I'll try to find where i read it, it might have been some literature from work but I don't really remember it was awhile ago.

You're supposed to say "No shit, Sherlock", because it rhymes. Duh.?

[ifcar]

Yes, but almost all Toyotas now share that 3.5. The Camry, Avalon, Sienna, IS350, ES350, GS350, RX350

I know. So?

[TheIntrepid]

I know. So?

Sorry; I thought you were trying to say that just because they share the engine they're a very similar car. My mistake.

[Tave]

You're supposed to say "No shit, Sherlock", because it rhymes. Duh.?

It rhymes? Are you sure about that?

I think the word you're looking for is "alliteration." 

[850CSi]

Why's that?

Don't know, he'll probably come up with some ridiculous excuse having to do with "Canadian Winters".

[Eye of the Tiger]

It rhymes? Are you sure about that?

I think the word you're looking for is "alliteration."?

Tomato, Potato. Rhyme, schmime. Bananas, pajamas. Alliteration, obliteration.   :P

[rjm]

Tomato, Potato. Rhyme, schmime. Bananas, pajamas. Alliteration, obliteration.? ?:P

Which is not to be confused with onomatopoeia.

[Tave]

Which is not to be confused with onomatopoeia.

That's FUCKED UP!

I know you were just joking but I heard those EXACT SAME words 6 hours and 15 minutes ago. Talk about deja vu!

[rjm]

That's FUCKED UP!

I know you were just joking but I heard those EXACT SAME words 6 hours and 15 minutes ago. Talk about deja vu!

Sorry.  Just popped into my head!

[cawimmer430]

Wimmer, I think where we all disagree with you on is the importance of past events. Hitler-sponsored racing innovations from 70 years ago have little to no bearing on today's product line. the mentality of placing that much importance on pedigree and history is essentially a caste system for cars: outdated and irrelevant.

The past is the past. Time to move on.

I can't accept that.

You're essentially telling me that Lexus is on the same level as Mercedes-Benz from a prestige POV simply because they offer a superior product. In my book, this doesn't work that way.

What are we going to do about the great past achievements of Mercedes-Benz? Just forget about them? We're just going to say that Lexus is on the same level as Mercedes-Benz because they offer leather and an 8-speed automatic but are $1 million cheaper or something? Doesn't work that way in my book. Those achievements and that history is what made Mercedes a great brand. Lexus achievements cannot be compared to Mercedes.

Mercedes-Benz was an innovator, Lexus was a copier. At a time when the automobile was new, when safety features and this and that had not been developed, Mercedes-Benz was a pioneer in almost all fields whether it be engine technology, safety etc. Fast forward to 1989, Lexus is created by Toyota. Do they have to worry about safety? Or engine technology? Or this or that? No, because it has already been invented. Lexus doesn't have to invent it, they simply can afford to take it and improve on it, whatever it is. Get what I am saying? Lexus has had it so easy. Unfairly easy I should add. Their quick route to success means nothing to me, especially considering that they're significantly cheaper.

And all of a sudden Lexus is on the same level as Mercedes from an image POV because of being successful in the USA? I cannot accept that because to me, as someone who judges brand prestige based on history and achievements and global desireability, a Lexus is not even in the same class image wise as a Mercedes or a BMW or even a Skoda or Fiat.

[ifcar]

In the US, it doesn't matter who's done something the longest, it matters who's doing it the best right now as long as there's enough history for name recognition and trust.