Edmunds: LS600h L is "tough to justify"

[850CSi]

Outside of the rear tail light from the side profile view, how else is the LS a "blatant 7-Series" imitation? So basically Lexus is an imitation brand based off of 1 car? I see...in that case, is the latest S-Class a "blatant imitation" of the Ford Focus? I mean good lord, look at those headlights! The wheel arches! Rip off! I'll have to find pictures, but there is an M-B SUV that looks strikingly similar "proportionally" to the Toyota Highlander as well.

First of all, you have to be blind to claim that the LS doesn't bear an enormous resemblance to the E65 7-Series... the side profiles are almost identical.

Second, I didn't say that makes "an imitation based off of 1 car", I haven't put words into your mouth, and I would appreciate the same courtesy.

[850CSi]

I don't blame Raza one bit, despite our philisophical differences, for never buying a BMW. No matter how good the cars are, the owners really rub s**t all over the brand.

I would love to see someone actually prove this, because, myself excluded (as I cannot judge my own character), the current and former BMW owners on this forum are some of the nicer guys on here.

[Raza]

Man, how did I get drawn back into this?

[Submariner]

I would love to see someone actually prove this, because, myself excluded (as I cannot judge my own character), the current and former BMW owners on this forum are some of the nicer guys on here.

Personally, I think you're a huge douche-bag. 

[Raza]

I would love to see someone actually prove this, because, myself excluded (as I cannot judge my own character), the current and former BMW owners on this forum are some of the nicer guys on here.

You've never ever seen another BMW on the road, have you?

[JYODER240]

I haven't noticed that BMW drivers have any worse attitudes than other luxury car buyers.

[Submariner]

I haven't noticed that BMW drivers have any worse attitudes than other luxury car buyers.

I have a few stories...

[JYODER240]

I have a few stories...

Of course, but i'm sure there's just as many stories with Lexus, Mercedes, Jaguar, etc drivers.

[TheIntrepid]

I have a few stories...

You're a BMW driver dude.

[chevyguy06]

A prick is going to be a prick, whether they drive a BMW or a Daewoo.

[Raza]

A prick is going to be a prick, whether they drive a BMW or a Daewoo.

BMWs give people a sense of entitlement.  They feel it's their right to be an asshole.  And the exercise it.

[chevyguy06]

I wouldn't think it would just be BMWs, but luxury car drivers in general. It's not like BMWs are the ultimate cars.

[Raza]

I wouldn't think it would just be BMWs, but luxury car drivers in general. It's not like BMWs are the ultimate cars.

It's the worst with BMW drivers.

[chevyguy06]

I don't really think it is...like someone said before, you're going to have nice BMW drivers and asshole BMW drivers. It's not based on what car you drive, but just that person in general.

[850CSi]

If you really judge someone based on the brand of car they drive, you're either a fucking stupid moron or a douchebag. Take your pick.

[850CSi]

You've never ever seen another BMW on the road, have you?

No, never. I live on a farm and there isn't a single BMW for hundreds of miles.

[850CSi]

BMWs give people a sense of entitlement.? They feel it's their right to be an asshole.? And the exercise it.

And owning a Mercedes or any other expensive prestige-brand car doesn't. 

[Raza]

And owning a Mercedes or any other expensive prestige-brand car doesn't. 

Nothing like the assholeishness involved with owning a BMW.

[cawimmer430]

3. Wimmer, do you seriously think anyone who buys a Benz actually knows jack shit about the 540K, or Stirling Moss, or the Mille Miglia, or Targa Florio? I think not.

I don't expect them to know these things. For the record, I am just mentioning past achievements of Mercedes to demonstrate how they have more prestige than Lexus. Always have and always will. It's that simple to me.

5. Mercedes' aren't exactly the sportiest things around. I bet an IS350 is sportier than a C-class.

Are you talking about the W203 or W204? Because the W204 is pretty improved in the sports department while still offering impressive comfort. The W203 C-Class sold well, despite being very unsporty prior to the facelift.

[cawimmer430]

Oh yeah, and I read that the 8-speed is an improvement. I think the 7G-Tronic is just an improvement over the first ZF 6AT, which was in turn an improvement over a 5AT, and so on.

Adding another cog to a transmission is not an innovation, it's an improvement. I thought I said that earlier? 

The invention of the automatic transmission (I think that honor goes to Cadillac) was an innovation. The adding of extra gear cogs isn't.

[omicron]

Marketers of the world are all delighting in the fact that everyone is licking up their propaganda.

[ro51092]

Adding another cog to a transmission is not an innovation, it's an improvement. I thought I said that earlier? 

The invention of the automatic transmission (I think that honor goes to Cadillac) was an innovation. The adding of extra gear cogs isn't.

Then, other than stuff like PRE-SAFE and other BS like that, what has Mercedes innovated in the last 10 years?

BTW, I think MB is more prestigious than Lexus, but most people around here don't think so. Maybe it's because the interiors on Lexuses look nice compared to the MB's?


versus


(Personally, I don't care, and I think they both look awesome, but people tell me about how awesome Lexus interiors are.)

[cawimmer430]

Then, other than stuff like PRE-SAFE and other BS like that, what has Mercedes innovated in the last 10 years?

BTW, I think MB is more prestigious than Lexus, but most people around here don't think so. Maybe it's because the interiors on Lexuses look nice compared to the MB's?

(Personally, I don't care, and I think they both look awesome, but people tell me about how awesome Lexus interiors are.)

Mercedes has done a lot over the last 10 years, I'm too tired to name them all but let's just mention PRE-SAFE, BLUETEC and NANOLACK for now.

Lexus interiors are some of the most overrated in the industry. I personally think the only beautiful Lexus interior is fund in the GS and ES. They look HQ. The LS460, which I recently checked out seems cheap as hell compared to the GS. Don't get me started on the IS.

BTW, basing prestige on interiors is pretty stupid.

[The Pirate]

FYI ro51092, Lexus interiors are awesome!  I don't know if anybody has ever told you that before, so now you know.

[ro51092]

What the hell is NANOLACK?

[The Pirate]

What the hell is NANOLACK?

It's a scratch resistant paint process, IIRC.


That blue S class AMG posted a few days back had it.

[cawimmer430]

What the hell is NANOLACK?

Nanolack is a more resistant (to scratches and microscopic tears) car coloring laquer. It debuted on the facelifted E-Class if I recall correctly.

For some reason, all the links I get in Google are in German. Can you read German? 

[ro51092]

Didn't Nissan come out with something like that a few years ago?


The Nails concept.

[cawimmer430]

Didn't Nissan come out with something like that a few years ago?


The Nails concept.

What does this car have to do with scratch resistant metal lacquer?  :P

[nickdrinkwater]

For some reason, all the links I get in Google are in German.

Because no-one outside Germany has ever heard of it