Friend's Car for Sale!

[the Teuton]

The more tread you have, the better, so I'd pick up a new set of 14" all-seasons. If you want to be particular, you can look for something that you know will have good traction on a loose surface, something knobby-like with large voids.

If you want to get fancy, you can look for A/T or rally-tires. But, you need to find out the rules for whatever club you're going with. Depending on the surface they run on, they may or may not allow A/T or rally tires. If they do, using them will usually put you in a different class, but you'll have a lot more traction, and you'll be beating the WRX's running on A/S's.

Don't forget to run at least 40-45psi in your tires so they don't break a bead if you hit a rut!

It's an SCCA meet, if I'm not mistaken.  In the rules, they allow for snow tires and the cars run on mud.  I really want it to rain hard, which it usually does here in July.

[TheIntrepid]

Umm, that hood is definitely not rusted out, there's not a spot of rust on it.

And there are no hubcaps on that car either, those are aluminum wheels.

The only speck of rust on the outside is under the logo, on the edge of the hood. The inside is badly rusted. I'll get some pictures.

And there are no rims or hubcaps on the right side of the car.

[Eye of the Tiger]

 How does your friend drive without any rims on the right side?

[S204STi]

Evidently taking an Evo AutoXing voids the warranty, but WRXs come with memberships to clubs and coupons and shit.

You got an SCCA membership back in 2002, but since then I think they nixxed that...at least, it wasn't mentioned to me.

[TheIntrepid]

How does your friend drive without any rims on the right side?

It looks like the cop cars do, on the right side. Steelies, I presume. The tires on the right are a bit different than the left ones, too. It's quite weird.

[Eye of the Tiger]

It looks like the cop cars do, on the right side. Steelies, I presume. The tires on the right are a bit different than the left ones, too. It's quite weird.

Oh, so there are rims on the right side. It's all starting to come together now.

[the Teuton]

You got an SCCA membership back in 2002, but since then I think they nixxed that...at least, it wasn't mentioned to me.

Do you have to have one to do one rallycross event?

[Eye of the Tiger]

Do you have to have one to do one rallycross event?

You don't need to be a member, but non-members pay about $10 more per event and don't earn championship points.

[Soup DeVille]

The only speck of rust on the outside is under the logo, on the edge of the hood. The inside is badly rusted. I'll get some pictures.

And there are no rims or hubcaps on the right side of the car.

Then its not rusted out, is it? In fact, its rusted very little at all. There is no bubbling on the surface. A 5 dollar rattle can will clean up the underside of the hood just fine.

Cranks for the windows? Run you a couple of bucks at any junkyard: that somebody would sweat through the summer and not take the time to fix them is inexcusable.

Brake and turn signal bulbs? Please.

So how does it handle with two wheels?

[SVT_Power]

if this was stick, i'd probably bite

[3.0L V6]

How much does he want for the head unit and/or head unit seperately?

That car is actually a pretty easy fix it up job, and would make a decent commuter. 173,000kms (~107,000mi) is low miles. I already have a car, and really can't afford a second one at this time, but if I was looking, $350 would be a steal.

[omicron]

Some of you know that to save gas, I drive a neighbor (and friend)'s car to school, as his parents think he's too terrible a driver. His parents foot the gas and insurance bill, and I drive a few of us to school and back in it, most days.

Now, the school year's ending, and we're going to separate institutions next year. His parents have bought him a 1998 Explorer Eddie Bauer which he's sure to roll sooner or later, but the Neon's for sale.

Oh for goodness sake.

1. Stupid parents for paying for his car, his petrol, and his insurance.
2. Stupid parents for buying him an Explorer Eddie Bauer. What in the living shit does a child fresh out of school need a barge-arse 4WD for? To run over classmates? To be 'safer'? My God, if that's the reasoning, then I forbid them from having children ever again.
3. Stupid parents for conceding their child drives like a rosebush, but buying him a 4WD with no handling ability whatsoever, and a higher propensity for falling over.
4. Stupid son for allowing his parents to buy him a car, petrol and insurance. Greedy little shit.
5. Stupid son for wanting a '98 Explorer over anything else he could have asked for.
6. Stupid son for allowing a person who is not a listed driver to drive his Neon, which will in turn void any insurance claim should you, Trep, ever get into an accident whilst driving his car.

[Soup DeVille]

6. Stupid son for allowing a person who is not a listed driver to drive his Neon, which will in turn void any insurance claim should you, Trep, ever get into an accident whilst driving his car.

It may work that way in Kangarooland, but not everywhere.

On my insurance, everybody is covered as long as they have a valid license and are not specifically named as an excluded driver.

[Raza]

1. Stupid parents for paying for his car, his petrol, and his insurance.  Disagree...

2. Stupid parents for buying him an Explorer Eddie Bauer. What in the living shit does a child fresh out of school need a barge-arse 4WD for? To run over classmates? To be 'safer'? My God, if that's the reasoning, then I forbid them from having children ever again.  Agree.

3. Stupid parents for conceding their child drives like a rosebush, but buying him a 4WD with no handling ability whatsoever, and a higher propensity for falling over.  Agree.

4. Stupid son for allowing his parents to buy him a car, petrol and insurance. Greedy little shit.  Disagree...

5. Stupid son for wanting a '98 Explorer over anything else he could have asked for.  Agree.

6. Stupid son for allowing a person who is not a listed driver to drive his Neon, which will in turn void any insurance claim should you, Trep, ever get into an accident whilst driving his car.   Agree.

[Rupert]

1. Stupid parents for paying for his car, his petrol, and his insurance.  Disagree...

2. Stupid parents for buying him an Explorer Eddie Bauer. What in the living shit does a child fresh out of school need a barge-arse 4WD for? To run over classmates? To be 'safer'? My God, if that's the reasoning, then I forbid them from having children ever again.  Agree.

3. Stupid parents for conceding their child drives like a rosebush, but buying him a 4WD with no handling ability whatsoever, and a higher propensity for falling over.  Agree.

4. Stupid son for allowing his parents to buy him a car, petrol and insurance. Greedy little shit.  Disagree...

5. Stupid son for wanting a '98 Explorer over anything else he could have asked for.  Agree.

6. Stupid son for allowing a person who is not a listed driver to drive his Neon, which will in turn void any insurance claim should you, Trep, ever get into an accident whilst driving his car.   Agree.

Says the kid with the Porsche...

[Raza]

Says the kid with the Porsche...

Look at the points with which I disagreed. 

[Rupert]

Exactly.

[omicron]

It may work that way in Kangarooland, but not everywhere.

On my insurance, everybody is covered as long as they have a valid license and are not specifically named as an excluded driver.

Oh, lucky. Someone crashes the Lexcen or the Magna into a tree who isn't my mother, father or I, and bye-bye possible insurance claim.

[heelntoe]

really? here our insurance company doesn't care at all.

[JYODER240]

Says the kid with the Porsche...

What do you expect someone to do? "Please, mom and dad, don't buy me a nice car. I'd rather buy a beater myself."

[The Pirate]

What do you expect someone to do? "Please, mom and dad, don't buy me a nice car. I'd rather buy a beater myself."

Yep.   

[heelntoe]

cavemen.
which chariot do you think is the best? or are you still stuck in the walking era?

[omicron]

cavemen.
which chariot do you think is the best? or are you still stuck in the walking era?

What? Is he Australian?

[the Teuton]

What do you expect someone to do? "Please, mom and dad, don't buy me a nice car. I'd rather buy a beater myself."

Honestly, what's wrong with that concept?  That's how the sport compact culture came to be.  People bought cheap little Hondas and Toyotas or they got old hand-me-downs and wanted to go faster.  While that culture is a far cry from what it is today, some of us still adhere to many of the same beliefs.

I wouldn't turn down my parents giving me a cool car, as I've often joked they should buy me a WRX, but I have tons of crap to haul around and as you know the weather sucks here, so I think I made a good investment for my needs and I can say that I did it myself.

[JYODER240]

Honestly, what's wrong with that concept?? That's how the sport compact culture came to be.? People bought cheap little Hondas and Toyotas or they got old hand-me-downs and wanted to go faster.? While that culture is a far cry from what it is today, some of us still adhere to many of the same beliefs.

I wouldn't turn down my parents giving me a cool car, as I've often joked they should buy me a WRX, but I have tons of crap to haul around and as you know the weather sucks here, so I think I made a good investment for my needs and I can say that I did it myself.

There's nothing wrong with buying your own car and building it up. I just don't see how you would ever expect someone to turn down a free one. If someone's parents want to buy their child a new car what's wrong with accepting it?

[CJ]

Would I turn down a car given to me?  No, I wouldn't.  Would I turn down the opportunity to buy my own car and having pride of ownership?  No, I wouldn't.

[the Teuton]

Would I turn down a car given to me?  No, I wouldn't.  Would I turn down the opportunity to buy my own car and having pride of ownership?  No, I wouldn't.

Very well put.

I have a friend with a very nice car that claims to have purchased it all himself.  I have never argued the point, even though I know it is generally a false statement.  We both have a mutual friend who's purchased several cars all himself and would probably never let anyone live it down if the truth were to be told about parental purchasing.  Even still, I have a friend who has a winter beater B13 Sentra and a Firebird V8 and generally even though the F Body is a far nicer, babied car, more praise generally comes about for the POS Nissan (probably because it's a 5 speed whereas the F is an automatic).  The Nissan was also purchased by my friend where the Firebird was purchased by the parents and has a reserved spot on the garage where the father's vehicles have to share the driveway with the Nissan.

Between the friends that I have and the fact that my parents have made all of my brothers purchase our own cars, I have an instilled "stand on my soapbox" sense of pride about true ownership of a vehicle.  And like I've said previously, most likely if I ever have children, I will probably do a system of matching dollar for dollar of what they raise to help purchase a car or just make them purchase one altogether.  Yes, I am a cruel bastard, but I don't believe in keeping up with the Joneses, either.

In saying this, I'm more proud of Trep's friend's parents for buying the kid lousy used cars (which both are, in all honesty) to see if he's ready for better vehicles, which he most definitely isn't.  The kid doesn't even know how to change a lightbulb, or care.  Being a teenage driver isn't about being flashy, as most of our Fast and Furious dreams may have it, but rather safety and making it to an age of expanded wisdom and responsibility.  The kid obviously doesn't deserve better car because he doesn't know how to take care of his Neon, but in the same respect, at least they aren't throwing him the keys to a new sports car.

[Raza]

Hey, don't get me wrong.  I'm looking forward to being able to buy my own car next year.  It will be a major accomplishment for me. 

But, I have the benefit of time, which I did not have when I was 16.  This time, if my parents do offer to kick in, I will probably refuse so they can't have any say in what I get.  So if I want a Civic Si or a 964 or a 996, it's all my decision.  I won't have anyone telling me that it's too impractical, or that it's too fast or that it would stand out too much at work.  It would all be on me.  But, now I can afford something nice.  5 years ago, I couldn't.  And I don't mean 5 years ago I didn't have the money to buy a secondhand 911.  I would have had trouble getting a firsthand Toys R Us bicycle.

[TheIntrepid]

In saying this, I'm more proud of Trep's friend's parents for buying the kid lousy used cars (which both are, in all honesty) to see if he's ready for better vehicles, which he most definitely isn't.  The kid doesn't even know how to change a lightbulb, or care.  Being a teenage driver isn't about being flashy, as most of our Fast and Furious dreams may have it, but rather safety and making it to an age of expanded wisdom and responsibility.  The kid obviously doesn't deserve better car because he doesn't know how to take care of his Neon, but in the same respect, at least they aren't throwing him the keys to a new sports car.

Totally agree. Yesterday that same friend and I had to go to pick up our friend from the airport (and he had lots of luggage), and I suggested we take his Eddie Bauer as I forgot about the luggage and showed up to his house in the 323i. His parents then said "uhhh Adi, Alex, the Explorer's got 2 misfiring cylinders." We ended up taking the 323i to the airport, but in the end my friend didn't give a shit that it was misfiring and AFAIK he's taken the Explorer to work today.