Front Drive Sport Coupes

[ifcar]

Why are you being so intentionally obtuse about this one?  I left the GTI out because it's practically and visually a different bodystyle.  Fucking deal with it.

I disagree more with your original explanation of why it was left out than the action itself. It's too practical to be in the same poll as coupes and other 3-door hatches? As if that's going to be the biggest factor in people's decisions here anyway.

[MX793]

From the cars listed I'd go with the Cobalt, though I'd take an MS3 over that.

[S204STi]

Out of these, I'll take the Civic. Otherwise, I'll take a GTI.

I am with you.

[S204STi]

I disagree more with your original explanation of why it was left out than the action itself. It's too practical to be in the same poll as coupes and other 3-door hatches? As if that's going to be the biggest factor in people's decisions here anyway.

GTI's not a coupe, it's a hatch, and I just forgot about the Eclipse.

[ifcar]

A hatchback is a car with a back hatch. The tC, Tiburon, Eclipse, and GTI all have back hatches.

[the Teuton]

I'm voting Civc because the K20 sounds awesome and I love Hondas.  Otherwise, I'd vote WRX.  I don't care that it's not a coupe.  It's the same price and it makes winter weather something to look forward to.

[The Pirate]

I'm voting Civc because the K20 sounds awesome and I love Hondas.  Otherwise, I'd vote WRX.  I don't care that it's not a coupe.  It's the same price and it makes winter weather something to look forward to.

I'm really torn on the Civic, as it's a great car dynamically.  But damn, she's ugly!  I'd much rather have an EK or EP3 Si. 

[Eye of the Tiger]

Eclipse V-6 FTW. Sure, it's big and heavy, but it's also a FWD sport coupe, so it was never going to be perfect to begin with.

[93JC]

A hatchback is a car with a back hatch. The tC, Tiburon, Eclipse, and GTI all have back hatches.

Guess which one isn't a coup?, goof.

[ifcar]

None of the above.

[93JC]

Do you know what a coupe is? Do you know what defines a coupe?

[Raghavan]

Civic

[Eye of the Tiger]

If you want to be an anal dickwad about the whole coupe definition, I've found several refrences that say a coupe must have < 33 cu ft of rear cargo space.

Like this one from automotive.com:

A coupe is a body style that offers two seats, or sometimes an extra two smaller seats for occasional passengers in the rear. Since the 1960s coupes have referred to any fixed roof cars but differ from sedans in that modern coupes typically do not have door frames, where the side glass windows seal directly against the main body of the car. The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) officially distinguishes a coupe from a sedan by the interior area. Where both have fixed roofs, a coupe would have less than 33 cubic feet of interior space. A car with greater interior volume would be considered a sedan.


Not that it would prevent anybody from cross-shopping a GTI and an Eclipse...

[93JC]

If you want to be an anal dickwad about the whole coupe definition, I've found several refrences that say a coupe must have < 33 cu ft of rear cargo space.

If I really wanted to be anal, I'd tell you it's 33 cubic feet of rear interior volume, as defined by SAE J1100: Motor Vehicle Dimensions.

I can also tell you why they're called 'coupes', or more correctly, 'coup?s'. Coup? is French for 'cut', referring to the sloped roofline from b-to-c-pillar, often the sheetmetal literally having been cut from 2-door sedans.

[MX793]

Do you know what a coupe is? Do you know what defines a coupe?

A coupe has a distinct trunk and the rear glass is seperate from the trunk lid.  In a proper coupe, when you open the trunk, you cannot look through the opening into the passenger compartment (excluding the presence of a trunk pass-through in the rear seat that folds down).  The Mustang, for example is a coupe.    The tC, Tib, and Eclipse are all liftbacks.

[93JC]

A coupe has a distinct trunk and the rear glass is seperate from the trunk lid.  In a proper coupe, when you open the trunk, you cannot look through the opening into the passenger compartment (excluding the presence of a trunk pass-through in the rear seat that folds down).

According to... ?

The tC, Tib, and Eclipse are all liftbacks.

[Eye of the Tiger]

every car with 2-doors is a coupe 

[ifcar]

every car with 2-doors is a coupe 

I'd agree.

[ifcar]

Do you know what a coupe is? Do you know what defines a coupe?

Yes. Do you?

[Eye of the Tiger]

I'd agree.

And since hatchbacks are 3-doors,  they are not coupes. 

[ifcar]

And since hatchbacks are 3-doors,  they are not coupes. 

I'd disagree.

[Mak450]

How about we all agree to disagree and rename the pole, sporty fwd...non two-box cars? 

Hmm doesn't really roll off the tongue though...

[Eye of the Tiger]

I'd disagree.

Interesting...

[93JC]

I'd agree.

You would...



Coupe?

[ifcar]

In some senses, I suppose. But I believe this discussion pertained to cars.

[Eye of the Tiger]

How about we all agree to disagree and rename the pole, sporty fwd...non two-box cars??

Hmm doesn't really roll off the tongue though...

For that, you will have to define what a "box" is. Obviously, a Cherokee is a two-box design, while a Cutlass is a three-box. But what is a tC or a Viper GTS? Do you say that the rear passenger of a two-box can reach behind them into the trunk? Or is it okay for a two-box to have a trunk that is completely separate from the passenger compartment, as long as the shape of the car doesn't have a third box?

[Mak450]

For that, you will have to define what a "box" is. Obviously, a Cherokee is a two-box design, while a Cutlass is a three-box. But what is a tC or a Viper GTS? Do you say that the rear passenger of a two-box can reach behind them into the trunk? Or is it okay for a two-box to have a trunk that is completely separate from the passenger compartment, as long as the shape of the car doesn't have a third box?

Oh no ya don't, you aint dragging me into this 

[nickdrinkwater]

the Golf is NOT A FUCKING COUPE!

[SVT666]

The Mustang, for example is a coupe.

What about the Fox body GT?

I gotta say, this is the dumbest argument I've seen in a long time.  I blame only one person for this and for that, I'm never voting for Kia, Hyundai, or a Focus in a poll again.

[MX793]

What about the Fox body GT?

I was talking about the current Mustang.