Official Press release: BMW 135i Coupe

[LonghornTX]

It looks like the curb weight will be ~1485kg with a full tank of gas for the 135i.

[r0tor]

is there any more info floating around on BMW's "Efficient Dynamics" mumbojumbo??

..google failed me

[Raza]

True, but at 25-30mph, you shouldn't be worrying about fatalities or the car rolling, at least IMO.

I don't.

:P

[Raza]

It looks like the curb weight will be ~1485kg with a full tank of gas for the 135i.

That is pretty heavy, but most manufacturers list dry weight, right?

[LonghornTX]

is there any more info floating around on BMW's "Efficient Dynamics" mumbojumbo??

..google failed me

Efficient dynamics, in short is BMW's campaign to increase performance AND economy at the same time.? So, for example, it focuses on the use of lightweight materials, more efficient and powerful engines, and methods of regaining lost energy (like on demand coolant pumps and regenerative braking).

Here is a short and rather unimformative piece on the BMWNA website:
http://www.bmwusa.com/uniquelybmw/EfficientDynamics

[LonghornTX]

That is pretty heavy, but most manufacturers list dry weight, right?

From my understanding, most list with a full tank, but I could be wrong.

But, this is for the full on 135i M Sport w/ the N54, 6-piston brembo brakes, body kit, etc....It is lighter than most coupes at this price point. 

I agree, however, that it could have been lighter.  However, given that this car will probably run ~8:15-8:20 N-ring times for ~35K, I am happy.

[MX793]

From my understanding, most list with a full tank, but I could be wrong.

No.  Most list "curb weight,  which is defined as the weight of the vehicle without fuel.

[LonghornTX]

No.? Most list "curb weight,? which is defined as the weight of the vehicle without fuel.

I stand corrected then; I know many in the EU don't (they add fuel, driver, and luggage) and I had heard many in the US include a tank of fuel.

[Tave]

If I'm driving around a car this small I want it to be lighter. I know the 1'er isn't obese, bit it could stand to lose a few.

[LonghornTX]

If I'm driving around a car this small I want it to be lighter. I know the 1'er isn't obese, bit it could stand to lose a few.

Unfortunately, the days of coupes this size being less than 3000 lbs are gone....

[Tave]

How big is it compared to, say, a honda civic?

[TheIntrepid]

You drive a GTI.  You should know that already.  If faster is better, than we'll have to change this to a Camry forum, since that's one fast fucker.

I'm up for that

[LonghornTX]

How big is it compared to, say, a honda civic?

Probably about the same physical size.

[Raza]

Unfortunately, the days of coupes this size being less than 3000 lbs are gone....

TT!

[Raza]

I'm up for that

You should die.

[Eye of the Tiger]

TT!

Sure, maybe it has 2999lbs dry weight 

[Raza]

Sure, maybe it has 2999lbs dry weight?

Fuck you dude.  Just fucking choke on your own dick.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Fuck you dude.? Just fucking choke on your own dick.

Why? Is it 2998lbs? 

[LonghornTX]

TT!

135i can seat 4, TT cannot.

[Raza]

135i can seat 4, TT cannot.

The TT has four seats.  And we don't know how hospitable the rear seats on the 1 series will be; as I recall, Mr. Clarkson was not happy about it.

[omicron]

A 1-series 5-door has very little usable room in the rear. A TT would smack you in the head with the rear liftback; the 1-series would cut your legs off between the rear seat base and the front seat.

[r0tor]

my car sits 4 and would weigh under 3,000 pounds if i didn't have the GT package (3030lbs with gas presently) 

[Raza]

my car sits 4 and would weigh under 3,000 pounds if i didn't have the GT package (3030lbs with gas presently)?

Seats four comfortably, as I recall.

[sportyaccordy]

Seats four comfortably, as I recall.

Also, has an alternator for a motor :shrug:

And you guys need to stop crying about the 135i being 3,000#. If the 135i is 3000#, then the 128i will be like 2800#, which is a little more than a 240SX, but with a much more rigid chassis, ABS, airbags up the wazoo, etc.

A 3000#, twin-turbo, inline-6 coupe for 35K????? If only it didn't look like ass. BMW definitely has a winner here. I think a 4-cyl version would really even out the lineup though.

[SJ_GTI]

Also, has an alternator for a motor :shrug:

And you guys need to stop crying about the 135i being 3,000#. If the 135i is 3000#, then the 128i will be like 2800#, which is a little more than a 240SX, but with a much more rigid chassis, ABS, airbags up the wazoo, etc.

A 3000#, twin-turbo, inline-6 coupe for 35K????? If only it didn't look like ass. BMW definitely has a winner here. I think a 4-cyl version would really even out the lineup though.

1485 kg would actually be closer to 3300 lbs, about the same weight as the 328i.

[LonghornTX]

The TT has four seats.? And we don't know how hospitable the rear seats on the 1 series will be; as I recall, Mr. Clarkson was not happy about it.

The TT Coupe has four seats, but they are pretty unusable for anything other than small children.  The roadster only has two.

According to a preliminary report, the 135i actually has a decent amount of room in the back.  According to winding room:

"We sat in the back seats and had a guy our own size sit in front and try to crush our legs. No can do, since there was very healthy room for knees and feet. There was also good space for heads in back, which was another good surprise."

http://news.windingroad.com/countriesmarkets/euro/we-visit-the-bmw-museum-and-get-comfy-in-the-new-1-series/

They seemed to like it.  Oh yea, FYI, I will probably be driving a used Boxster tommorrow.  Figured it sounded too good not to try.

[LonghornTX]

Also, has an alternator for a motor :shrug:

And you guys need to stop crying about the 135i being 3,000#. If the 135i is 3000#, then the 128i will be like 2800#, which is a little more than a 240SX, but with a much more rigid chassis, ABS, airbags up the wazoo, etc.

A 3000#, twin-turbo, inline-6 coupe for 35K????? If only it didn't look like ass. BMW definitely has a winner here. I think a 4-cyl version would really even out the lineup though.

It is gonna be more like 3300 with a full tank.  Still, about the same weight as a 350z and built like a vault.

I see this car being very successful in almost every aspect.  It is going to offer blistering acceleration for the price point, good communicative brakes and steering, and the usual BMW quality that people expect, all for ~35k starting out (for the 135i).

Plus, I find it quite attractive and very aggressive looking.  But then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[sportyaccordy]

1485 kg would actually be closer to 3300 lbs, about the same weight as the 328i.

My fault.. for some reason I read it as 1385kg. Hopefully it will have a legit back seat... it should be about the E30's size.

[r0tor]

Also, has an alternator for a motor :shrug:

that puts out the same power as the NA 3.0L I6 

[Tave]

The more I see of the 135 the less I like it. It's like they tried to force a larger car's design onto it. It looks awkward and seems to sits too far off the ground.