Tesla

[CaminoRacer]

This whole Tesla/Bitcoin/Musk promoting Dogecoin is ridiculous.

[Laconian]

This whole Tesla/Bitcoin/Musk promoting Dogecoin is ridiculous.

Tesla just pumped Bitcoin by buying one and a half billion dollars of it?

[shp4man]

$44K for one bitcoin? Holy crap.  I'm out.

[Laconian]

$44K for one bitcoin? Holy crap.  I'm out.

The valuation is totally fake.

[Soup DeVille]

The valuation is totally fake.

My dad is super pissed at me. I counseled him against accepting bitcoin for a vehicle two years ago. It was at $6000 or so when I said this. It did drop to $3000 for a while and he thanked me.

Now. Well, now he's pissed.

[Laconian]

My dad is super pissed at me. I counseled him against accepting bitcoin for a vehicle two years ago. It was at $6000 or so when I said this. It did drop to $3000 for a while and he thanked me.

Now. Well, now he's pissed.

Tell him the valuation is expressed in IOUs, not actual US dollars.

[Soup DeVille]

Tell him the valuation is expressed in IOUs, not actual US dollars.

I understand that. But, he could sell the bitcoins for dollars right now.

[Laconian]

No sell! Only HODL

[Morris Minor]

Saw an interesting comment from someone who's taken a new Model 3 cross country & back. They loved the self-driving, but did not like the way it track around curves, even gentle freeway curves. Many people naturally follow the racing line: a little bit to the outside of the lane on the approach, maybe easing up just a micro tad on the throttle. drift over a little to the center line at the apex, then back towards the outside again on the exit.You just sort of unconsciously lengthen the radius. But the Tesla just sticks dead center of the lane, no power adjustments, like it's on steel rails. Just a hint of discomfort & lateral g that a driver would compensate for.

[shp4man]

Tesla keeps sending me emails offering service tech jobs. If I was younger maybe, but not now.

[afty]

Saw an interesting comment from someone who's taken a new Model 3 cross country & back. They loved the self-driving, but did not like the way it track around curves, even gentle freeway curves. Many people naturally follow the racing line: a little bit to the outside of the lane on the approach, maybe easing up just a micro tad on the throttle. drift over a little to the center line at the apex, then back towards the outside again on the exit.You just sort of unconsciously lengthen the radius. But the Tesla just sticks dead center of the lane, no power adjustments, like it's on steel rails. Just a hint of discomfort & lateral g that a driver would compensate for.

I find that this behavior can be a little uncomfortable when someone else is driving toward one edge of the lane (or even drifts out of their lane), and Autopilot obstinately sticks to the middle and gets too close to them.  I believe Autopilot is supposed to handle this, but I don't trust it enough to find out -- I just take over.  Another weirdness is that Autopilot has no sense of not driving in someone's blind spot for too long, so if the speeds are matched it'll just sit there next to someone and I worry they don't see me.

[MrH]

Tesla keeps sending me emails offering service tech jobs. If I was younger maybe, but not now.

Lol, stay away at all costs. Their service is a total nightmare.

[RomanChariot]

I find that this behavior can be a little uncomfortable when someone else is driving toward one edge of the lane (or even drifts out of their lane), and Autopilot obstinately sticks to the middle and gets too close to them.  I believe Autopilot is supposed to handle this, but I don't trust it enough to find out -- I just take over.  Another weirdness is that Autopilot has no sense of not driving in someone's blind spot for too long, so if the speeds are matched it'll just sit there next to someone and I worry they don't see me.

The fact that you worry about sitting in someone's blind spot makes you a better driver than the majority of drivers on the road who never even think about it. It drives me crazy when drivers park in my blind spot for miles at a time. Some even seem to change their speed to match changes in my speed. It is almost like they are hoping I don't know they are there and that I will change lanes into them.

[Rich]

I don't know why anyone would be speed matched to another lane unless there was moving traffic in all lanes with no way to pass.

[Soup DeVille]

The fact that you worry about sitting in someone's blind spot makes you a better driver than the majority of drivers on the road who never even think about it. It drives me crazy when drivers park in my blind spot for miles at a time. Some even seem to change their speed to match changes in my speed. It is almost like they are hoping I don't know they are there and that I will change lanes into them.

They're on autopilot, and subconsciously using you as a speed reference point.

[AutobahnSHO]

I don't know why anyone would be speed matched to another lane unless there was moving traffic in all lanes with no way to pass.
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Same reason I see dummies enter a freeway and immediately go across 2 lanes to the far left- even if they're traveling slower than the other 2 lanes.

Dumbness.

[Morris Minor]

Perhaps Teslas should have a "Dumbfuck" FSD setting.

Merge onto freeways at no more than 43 mph
Lurch across lanes
Turn signals disabled
Rearview mirrors opaqued
Auto tailgating
Random unnecessary brake applications.

I'm sure there are more.

[MrH]

Holy shit.

Yesterday, passed a Model 3 on the high way.  Windows were tinted, but I could see him as I passed.  He had his "Full Self Driving" turned on, had an aftermarket device connected to the wheel to trick it into thinking he was holding onto it. and was just leaned back with his phone right in front of his face with both hands on it.

Fuck this company.

[r0tor]

...and probably still driving better than the cars around him doing the same thing without FSD...

[Morris Minor]

Holy shit.

Yesterday, passed a Model 3 on the high way.  Windows were tinted, but I could see him as I passed.  He had his "Full Self Driving" turned on, had an aftermarket device connected to the wheel to trick it into thinking he was holding onto it. and was just leaned back with his phone right in front of his face with both hands on it.

Fuck this company.

I've always thought airbags promote bad habits. A steering wheel-mounted spike a few inches from the driver's chest would promote safe and cautious driving.

[SJ_GTI]

Q 2021 Earnings:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/26/tesla-tsla-earnings-q1-2021-.html

Net profit reached a quarterly record of $438 million on a GAAP basis, and the company recorded $518 million in revenue from sales of regulatory credits during the period. It also recorded a $101 million positive impact from sales of bitcoin during the quarter.

In other words, Tesla still loses money on the manufacture and production of cars, but manages a profit by selling regulatory credits to other car companies.

That being said, they are pretty close to breakeven now. I could see them getting to a sustainable operating profit in the next few quarters. Still can't see how their market valuation is justifiable, but we'll see how things go.

[MrH]

...and probably still driving better than the cars around him doing the same thing without FSD...

That is verifiably false.  But you don't care.

[Morris Minor]

...and probably still driving better than the cars around him doing the same thing without FSD...

Tesla would agree with you.

[r0tor]

Humans are terrible drivers because they everything except actually paying attention to driving

[MrH]

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/26455/nhtsas-flawed-autopilot-safety-study-unmasked

[r0tor]

Nice... Some dope takes a personalized subset of the data ("verifiable")  and performs an analysis on it.... We all know the NHTSA is a Tesla pumper

What Whitfield found was that only 5,714 vehicles of the 43,781 vehicles studied actually had full, verifiable data that could support NHTSA's findings. When Whitfield performed the same analysis that NHTSA had on this cohort for which complete mileage data before and after Autosteer installation was available, he found that it pointed to a 59% increase in airbag deployment after Autosteer was installed. Even then, without knowing the exact mileage at which the airbag-deploying crash took place makes it difficult to come up with specific data about the relative safety of the system. But, using statistical regression, Whitfield determined that the installation of Autosteer was not associated with a decreased risk of an airbag deployment crash, when controlling for exposure mileage. His analysis actually found that "Autosteer is actually associated with an increase in the odds ratio of airbag deployment by more than a factor of 2.4."

[Morris Minor]

There was a long article in the WSJ about Musk's many run-ins & lack of cooperation with several regulatory agencies: FTC, FAA, OSHA, NTSB, NHTSA off the top of my head. It reminds me a lot of Atlas Shrugged actually.
Now he's going to host Saturday Night Live.
There is something of The Donald about him.

[Char]

My hate of Tesla has made me root for VW to crush them. Imagine that.

[SJ_GTI]

Not good news for Tesla?

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/stellantis-hit-emissions-target-without-teslas-help-says-ceo-2021-05-04/

Franco-Italian carmaker Stellantis (STLA.MI), expects to achieve its European carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions targets this year without environmental credits bought from Tesla (TSLA.O), its CEO said in an interview published on Tuesday.

Stellantis was formed through the merger of France's PSA and Italy's FCA, which spent about 2 billion euros ($2.40 billion) to buy European and U.S. CO2 credits from electric vehicle maker Tesla over the 2019-2021 period.

[MX793]

Not good news for Tesla?

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/stellantis-hit-emissions-target-without-teslas-help-says-ceo-2021-05-04/

Isn't this the same company that got caught up in an emissions cheating scandal?  Is their plan to just make up emissions numbers?