Audi's Model S fighter.
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This is what the fuck I'm talking about
Is this a concept or production car?
Jesus, that is pretty spectacular. Tesla might as well concentrate on big rigs and spaceships.
Love the name too... e-Tron GT. Fuck yeah. :rockon:
Looks great for the most part. A few bits are slightly overstyled, but compared to a lot of other vehicles out there these days, it's pretty tame.
Seems like it would make more sense to make it a hatchback with a cargo cover than use a smallish trunk lid that requires a break in the pretend rear window.
Hmm, don't like it.
Based on the Porsche Taycan 800V architecture.
Looks great, but I am guessing this will be more Tesla Roadster money than Tesla Model S money.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 28, 2018, 12:52:57 PM
Is this a concept or production car?
Guessing concept by the lack of door handles
However the production Taycan this shares a platform with pretty much has these proportions with real life wheels/details
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It's like Audi's design team just quit #NoFapNovember :lol:
Hopefully this signals a new design direction for Audi... they have been in a rut
Those hips...
BADASS. TOUGH.
And also SEXY.
Wow! :mask: :rockon:
Great. But.....I've already lost count of Audi's electric concepts that never happen or get delayed forever.
(This is a concept)
Finally an Audi that actually looks new!
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 28, 2018, 03:43:44 PM
Great. But.....I've already lost count of Audi's electric concepts that never happen or get delayed forever.
(This is a concept)
This and that SUV they showed earlier feel different. I think these are coming really soon
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 28, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
Guessing concept by the lack of door handles
However the production Taycan this shares a platform with pretty much has these proportions with real life wheels/details
(https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/19537/0050_taycan.jpg)
It's like Audi's design team just quit #NoFapNovember :lol:
Hopefully this signals a new design direction for Audi... they have been in a rut
Porsche's 4-door coupe sedan things have just never looked right to me. Bleh.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 28, 2018, 07:27:17 PM
Porsche's 4-door coupe sedan things have just never looked right to me. Bleh.
Me either. They're stuck on 911 design themes, which doesn't translate well to a sedan. Or an SUV for that matter.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 28, 2018, 07:30:57 PM
Me either. They're stuck on 911 design themes, which doesn't translate well to a sedan. Or an SUV for that matter.
And people say Audi is lazy/repetitive/unimaginative/whatever when it comes to design...woof. At least their vehicles look right for what they are.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 28, 2018, 07:52:17 PM
And people say Audi is lazy/repetitive/unimaginative/whatever when it comes to design...woof. At least their vehicles look right for what they are.
Audi design peaked around 2008-12. Then they started adding sharp creases and blockiness. The R8 and TT lost a lot of their design appeal, IMHO, and the latest A6 :zzz:. But this e-tron is looking pretty good.
I guess I belong to the minority who thinks the Porsche Taycan looks better, and this is a busy ensemble of creases. Still, after careful consideration:
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The Taycan looks like 2 or 3 cars mashed into one.
I prefer this to the Taycan as well.... however the recent cleanup of the Panamera really worked
I do think Porsche's "911 all the things" approach is pretty lazy. But most luxury brands have been in a design rut for a decade or so. Mercedes is the only company seeming to make any effort
Heh. Big fucking deal. No nationewide supercharger network. Tesla fighter indeed. More like Tesla wannabe. No dent in Tesla sales!
I welcome it, though. You guys just don't get it. ICE is dead. Dead. I will give you 20 years. Prepare to Rest In Peace. Good riddance complex, noisy, inefficient, slow, and polluting systems.
Welcome clean, simple, powerful, silent systems.
Adapt, or DIE. Simple.
In German car magazines they like to point out the "vegan cockpit" which makes use of zero animal products, hence the cloth seats.
I found that interesting and it never occurred to me that this could be a selling point for some people.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 29, 2018, 05:11:58 AM
I prefer this to the Taycan as well.... however the recent cleanup of the Panamera really worked
I do think Porsche's "911 all the things" approach is pretty lazy. But most luxury brands have been in a design rut for a decade or so. Mercedes is the only company seeming to make any effort
Quote from: red_shift on December 28, 2018, 02:26:59 AM
Heh. Big fucking deal. No nationewide supercharger network. Tesla fighter indeed. More like Tesla wannabe. No dent in Tesla sales!
I welcome it, though. You guys just don't get it. ICE is dead. Dead. I will give you 20 years. Prepare to Rest In Peace. Good riddance complex, noisy, inefficient, slow, and polluting systems.
Welcome clean, simple, powerful, silent systems.
Adapt, or DIE. Simple.
No, ICE will definitely still be around in 20 years... most likely still the majority of cars on the road
Lets do some very simple math. There are over 1 billion cars on the road- let's say 1 billion ICE cars. In 2017 there were 79 million cars sold. Of those, 1 million were EVs, which was considered a good year for EVs. So to replace every car on the road with an EV in 20 years, they would need to sell 50x as many starting in 2019. IOW 2/3 of every car sold in the world would have to be an EV, starting right now.
Or maybe more realistically, starting in 2025 or so, ICE sales would have to end. Volkswagen themselves said they plan to end ICE development (NOT SALES) in 2040. What do you know that they don't?
Fanboys are the bane of society.
Quote from: red_shift on December 28, 2018, 02:26:59 AM
Heh. Big fucking deal. No nationewide supercharger network. Tesla fighter indeed. More like Tesla wannabe. No dent in Tesla sales!
I welcome it, though. You guys just don't get it. ICE is dead. Dead. I will give you 20 years. Prepare to Rest In Peace. Good riddance complex, noisy, inefficient, slow, and polluting systems.
Welcome clean, simple, powerful, silent systems.
Adapt, or DIE. Simple.
Sure, there is no nationwide network, but I suspect that for the time being, the inherent range of the vehicle will do just fine.
I'm a bit of a Musk fanboy, and I do like Tesla, but Tesla still has a long way to go. Paint quality and panel gap alignment on numerous Model's X and 3 are terrible. Doors are visibly misaligned, the top of the door jam is noticeably closer to the front wing than the bottom of it, etc. The interiors are undoubtedly inferior to Audi, too. That matters a lot to someone spending 60k+ on a new car. Add into that equation a well established network of professional Audi dealerships across the country (I haven't heard a lot of flattering things about Tesla dealerships), and the e-tron makes for a very compelling competitor.
Red_shift, why would you want a monopoly of just one single manufacturer making electric cars
Quote from: red_shift on December 28, 2018, 02:26:59 AM
Heh. Big fucking deal. No nationewide supercharger network. Tesla fighter indeed. More like Tesla wannabe. No dent in Tesla sales!
I welcome it, though. You guys just don't get it. ICE is dead. Dead. I will give you 20 years. Prepare to Rest In Peace. Good riddance complex, noisy, inefficient, slow, and polluting systems.
Welcome clean, simple, powerful, silent systems.
Adapt, or DIE. Simple.
"They" said the same thing about hybrids, and here we are, ~20 years later, and hybrids aren't much of anything, and it's still only Toyota hybrids that anyone buys.
I predict the same with EVs. Like hybrids, EVs are sorta interesting, but when examined with logic, the value proposition - financial and environmental - just isn't there.
EVs' only path, beyond irrational and/or mistaken exuberance, is convenience. Can charge from home most times and EVs in theory should be far lower maintenance (Teslas have been a disaster in that regard).
Quote from: red_shift on December 28, 2018, 02:26:59 AM
Heh. Big fucking deal. No nationewide supercharger network. Tesla fighter indeed. More like Tesla wannabe. No dent in Tesla sales!
I welcome it, though. You guys just don't get it. ICE is dead. Dead. I will give you 20 years. Prepare to Rest In Peace. Good riddance complex, noisy, inefficient, slow, and polluting systems.
Welcome clean, simple, powerful, silent systems.
Adapt, or DIE. Simple.
"ICE is dead." :lol:
Tell me that when your power goes out and an ICE is keeping your fridge or lights on. Tell me that next time you utilize any kind of boat that isn't tiny or a sailboat. Tell that to the nearly $200 billion rail freight industry (not to mention the $700 billion trucking industry...all ICE). Tell that to, uh, fucking airplanes. Tell me the ICE is dead when you realize that your house has power because of NG generators. Tell me that the ICE is dead when, and only when, you do not rely on them for
anything in your life. Because you do, whether you realize it or not.
Quote from: giant_mtb on December 28, 2018, 11:50:09 AM
"ICE is dead." :lol:
Tell me that when your power goes out and an ICE is keeping your fridge or lights on. Tell me that next time you utilize any kind of boat that isn't tiny or a sailboat. Tell that to the nearly $200 billion rail freight industry (not to mention the $700 billion trucking industry...all ICE). Tell that to, uh, fucking airplanes. Tell me the ICE is dead when you realize that your house has power because of NG generators. Tell me that the ICE is dead when, and only when, you do not rely on them for anything in your life. Because you do, whether you realize it or not.
Ayn Rand's static engines? :huh:
When did CarSpin get its very own Tesla troll?
So is this just another Audi vaporware EV... They have been promising this for a decade now - not even Tesla can claim that feat
^^ Tesla hasn't been manufacturing cars for decades and have a reputation to preserve. They don't care about the shortcomings of the technology ... and I am not talking about the long charging time, rather those other problems that are not talked about: Overheating of the batteries, the inability to drive at high speed for anything longer then short intervals, the inability to do 0 - 60 runs more then a few times in a row.
Plus, they are in the business to make money on products sold, not stock market speculation and expectation.
Quote from: r0tor on December 28, 2018, 04:08:07 PM
So is this just another Audi vaporware EV... They have been promising this for a decade now - not even Tesla can claim that feat
O look, ANOTHER Tesla fanboy.
Audi has had auto journalists drive prototypes.... so their one step further from vaporware than the $35K Model 3 :lol:
It must be scary to have pinned all your hopes and dreams on Tesla, only to realize the only thing keeping them alive is real automakers not taking EVs seriously. 999 out of a thousand people would buy this over the Model 3/S
Wilkommen to 2009 etron
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10 years of utter hype about battery tech and nothing to show for it.
2 cars coming to market next year = nothing to show? I guess we can agree to disagree
Looking forward to discussion of Tesla sales figures upon the release of VWAG's EVs
Interesting how many SPINners want Tesla to fail. Would the world be a better place if Musk had never been born? He's a bit nutty & skates the ethical edge, but he's no worse than the dull gray men who peddle pickups at enormous markups.
People don't want Tesla to fail; we just hate Tesla fanboys. They force the uncomfortable truths of the situation going forward. I think Tesla will be fine; seems like they've got their shit together. But suggestions of EVs taking 100% market share and the like are ridiculous.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on December 29, 2018, 09:44:30 AM
2 cars coming to market next year = nothing to show? I guess we can agree to disagree
Looking forward to discussion of Tesla sales figures upon the release of VWAG's EVs
They had prototypes built and given to journalists 10 years ago with promises of production.
The only chance these will actually be built next year is because they are required from their diesel issues to blow a ton of money on EVs.
Quote from: r0tor on December 29, 2018, 12:05:31 PM
They had prototypes built and given to journalists 10 years ago with promises of production.
The only chance these will actually be built next year is because they are required from their diesel issues to blow a ton of money on EVs.
Do you have a link to first drives of Audi's EVs from 10 years ago?
And thanks for demonstrating agreement that these are not vaporware. "These are vaporware.... unless they build and sell them" LOL
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/reviews/a5171/4340066/
Easy to find vaporware that was to hit production 6 or 7 years ago
The Taycan goes on sale in like 6-8 months.
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 29, 2018, 10:10:14 AM
Interesting how many SPINners want Tesla to fail. Would the world be a better place if Musk had never been born? He's a bit nutty & skates the ethical edge, but he's no worse than the dull gray men who peddle pickups at enormous markups.
At least for me, it's mostly that Musk just doesn't seem honest or all that smart. Add to that Apple-esque fanboyism, government intervention, dubious claims (from "autonomous" driving to environmental advantages), and the simple desperation WtP are for The Next Big Thing, and it's all a big something I can't quite let go.
Quote from: Morris Minor on December 29, 2018, 10:10:14 AM
Interesting how many SPINners want Tesla to fail. Would the world be a better place if Musk had never been born? He's a bit nutty & skates the ethical edge, but he's no worse than the dull gray men who peddle pickups at enormous markups.
My buddy just got a 3. It looks weird, but he likes it. Figures it makes up for his wife driving a Suburban (they have nearly as many kids as Ron).
Quote from: Raza on December 31, 2018, 08:23:16 AM
My buddy just got a 3. It looks weird, but he likes it. Figures it makes up for his wife driving a Suburban (they have nearly as many kids as Ron).
3s do look a bit weird - but they're popping up all over the place nevertheless.
Meanwhile, gasoline here is $2.09/gal, so no pain in driving a Suburban.
Unless you're worried about CO2 & stuff.
The front looks weird, like a face with no mouth. A bit disturbing.
I'm over that now. I'd prefer the no mouth to the mess of tertiary grilles that plague Toyotas and Hondas now.