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Title: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: MrH on December 04, 2012, 06:52:25 AM
I was carpooling with my roommate today.  He has a 2004 Ford Escape.  V6 AWD with about 140k-150k miles.

It started when we were at a stand still.  Engine started shuddering.  Not a consistent shake, just basically like "kicks".  At first I actually thought it was the bass from the Mustang next to us I was feeling, but something in the drive train was just getting occasional kicks. Happened in short spurts of maybe 5-10 "kicks" too while on the highway every couple minutes.  No codes were thrown.  Any one have any idea what this could be?

Felt like there was a baby in the oven.  Is the Escape pregnant? How is babby formed?
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: 2o6 on December 04, 2012, 08:14:14 AM
Dirty MAF causing it to idle weird?
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 04, 2012, 08:25:13 AM
Quote from: 2o6 on December 04, 2012, 08:14:14 AM
Dirty MAF causing it to idle weird?

It's always the MAF with you. I think your MAF is dirty.

Hard to say. Misfires always throw codes after drive cycles are complete.

Could be any sensor, ignition, or fuel problem. I think it's time for a c-section.
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: CJ on December 04, 2012, 10:28:36 AM
Could be something with the AWD?  Rear differential binding?
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 04, 2012, 10:57:30 AM
I was thinking that it could be that the clutch is out of adjustment, and therefore no longer fully disengaging.
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: shp4man on December 04, 2012, 01:51:28 PM
150K, probably never had a spark plug change because you have to take off the intake manifold. It's an 80% chance it's a bad coil. It will likely need plugs, too.
You need to look at the PCM mode 6 data to see where it's misfiring and replace those coils.

That'll be $102 dollars for the diagnosis.  :lol:
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: FoMoJo on December 04, 2012, 03:48:28 PM
I agree with a bad coil.  One of mine went at about that distance.
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Post by: sparkplug on December 08, 2012, 07:47:32 PM
tires probably need air...
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Post by: S204STi on December 09, 2012, 12:19:15 AM
I'd start with checking spark and fuel, and see how those are doing.
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: J86 on December 09, 2012, 08:18:31 AM
Quote from: shp4man on December 04, 2012, 01:51:28 PM
150K, probably never had a spark plug change because you have to take off the intake manifold. It's an 80% chance it's a bad coil. It will likely need plugs, too.
You need to look at the PCM mode 6 data to see where it's misfiring and replace those coils.

That'll be $102 dollars for the diagnosis.  :lol:

I've got a 2003 Mazda6 V6 that has that some GODDAMN STUPID FEATURE of needing to remove the intake manifold to access something so basic as a freaking sparkplug.  I had the same shuddering issue a couple of months ago, which ended up being bad coils.  Thanks Ford, for turning what should have been a simple job into an access nightmare.
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: sportyaccordy on December 17, 2012, 06:00:43 AM
Sounds like motor mount. Would "kick" on any kind of sudden change in load. On highway I imagine trans is fully locked, so any kick ups or downs will prompt clunk. Slush would mask on take off. Best bet, go to engine when its cold and just try to rock the motherfucker. It shouldn't move much, if at all. If it feels loose in anyway... prob a mount.

I dont buy the MAF or spark plugs cause the engine would run rough and have other symptoms. You can have a healthy motor on bad mounts.

That thing sounds like a fuel economy nightmare.
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Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 18, 2012, 02:33:08 PM
bad motor mounts can also sometimes be seen while looking at the engine and having someone rev it.
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: shp4man on December 19, 2012, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: J86 on December 09, 2012, 08:18:31 AM
I've got a 2003 Mazda6 V6 that has that some GODDAMN STUPID FEATURE of needing to remove the intake manifold to access something so basic as a freaking sparkplug.  I had the same shuddering issue a couple of months ago, which ended up being bad coils.  Thanks Ford, for turning what should have been a simple job into an access nightmare.

Some Toyotas and BMW's have the same setup. Engineers don't give a shit about ease of service.  ;) :lol:
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: MrH on December 21, 2012, 09:32:27 AM
Bad coils.

+1 to Fomojo and shp4man on this one.  You guys are good.  Thing still drives like absolute crap I think :lol: but hey, at least it goes.
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: MrH on December 21, 2012, 09:33:45 AM
Quote from: shp4man on December 19, 2012, 04:22:22 PM
Some Toyotas and BMW's have the same setup. Engineers don't give a shit about ease of service.  ;) :lol:

Yeah, ease of manufacturing is infinitely more important to OEMs.  No reason to add cost to the manufacturing process in order to save cost on potential repairs waaaaay down the road.
Title: Re: 2004 Ford Escape shuddering?
Post by: J86 on December 21, 2012, 06:16:06 PM
Quote from: MrH on December 21, 2012, 09:32:27 AM
Bad coils.

+1 to Fomojo and shp4man on this one.  You guys are good.  Thing still drives like absolute crap I think :lol: but hey, at least it goes.

I confirmed w my anecdotal experience :lol: