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Title: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 04:28:22 PM
So most of you know I upgraded the audio in the Intrepid today. It's a 7-speaker + amplifier Infinity system from a 2004 300M, almost brand new. The car only had 23k on it before it was totalled. I scored the system for $50.

This is the head unit, a JVC KD-G320 with iPod Adapter
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7274/dsc02046largeib7.jpg)

The iPod's been rewired from the glovebox to the centre console
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6899/dsc02047largezf2.jpg)


First up are the two front door speakers. Nothing special, just normal ones.
(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1994/dsc02044largect9.jpg)

There is also new tweeters on the insides of the door mirrors, but they won't be connected until we get the wiring through the door panels on Friday evening.
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7128/dsc02048largerg2.jpg)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7972/dsc02049largeqm2.jpg)


Here is the 360W Amplifier that isn't in the car yet either, it'll be connected Friday.
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1459/dsc02052largead0.jpg)

And my old front door speakers. Anyone want them? They're shit, you can have them for free
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7897/dsc02053largehz1.jpg)


Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 04:30:16 PM
Looks cool, Trep.  :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 04:34:36 PM
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1459/dsc02052largead0.jpg)

What does that thing do?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 12, 2007, 04:35:15 PM
Audi modz, yo? Don't tease me! :cry:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 04:36:01 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 04:34:36 PM

What does that thing do?

It's an amplifier.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 04:36:01 PM
It's an amplifier.

I'm aware of that, but what does it do? I know absolutely nothing about car audio, so bear with me.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 04:37:30 PM
I'm aware of that, but what does it do? I know absolutely nothing about car audio, so bear with me.

I'm not too sure myself, but I think it amplifies the sound to produce a more pronounced, higher quality, deeper, and more powerful sound.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 04:37:30 PM
I'm aware of that, but what does it do? I know absolutely nothing about car audio, so bear with me.
The headunit itself can't power the speakers so the signal is sent to the amplifier that has its own powersource and that amplifies the signal and can power the speakers.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 04:55:28 PM
Quote from: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 04:54:46 PM
The headunit itself can't power the speakers so the signal is sent to the amplifier that has its own powersource and that amplifies the signal and can power the speakers.

Ok, claro. Gracias. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: S204STi on November 12, 2007, 05:04:35 PM
WTF is up with the airbag warning tag?  Don't those usually get ripped off when you buy the car?  :lol:  :hammerhead:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 05:04:55 PM
Quote from: R-inge on November 12, 2007, 05:04:35 PM
WTF is up with the airbag warning tag?  Don't those usually get ripped off when you buy the car?  :lol:

It makes me feel like it's still new. :mask: :tounge:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: S204STi on November 12, 2007, 05:05:24 PM
Whatever floats the raft, eh?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Champ on November 12, 2007, 05:07:02 PM
What are you using the amp for?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 05:07:41 PM
Quote from: Champ on November 12, 2007, 05:07:02 PM
What are you using the amp for?

Music.

:devil:


No seriously, I don't understand the question :huh:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2007, 05:10:49 PM
Quote from: Champ on November 12, 2007, 05:07:02 PM
What are you using the amp for?

To drive the speakers.

Seriously, what's the confusion?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CJ on November 12, 2007, 05:12:06 PM
What size are the speakers?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 05:16:58 PM
Quote from: CJ on November 12, 2007, 05:12:06 PM
What size are the speakers?

The hell should I know. 8" maybe?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2007, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 05:16:58 PM
The hell should I know. 8" maybe?
The question here is; what speakers are going to be connected to the amp? You've only talked about your fronts so far, are you going full range in the rear or is the amp to drive a pair of subs- and if so, what?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2007, 05:19:01 PM
The question here is; what speakers are going to be connected to the amp? You've only talked about your fronts so far, are you going full range in the rear or is the amp to drive a pair of subs- and if so, what?

All of them. The upper door tweeters are wired THROUGH the lower door speakers, so those 2, plus the two rear shelf speakers, PLUS the stock sub.

7 in total.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 05:35:28 PM
There should be a passive crossover between the tweeters and the speakers in the lower door.

I had my car audio fun 5+ years ago, I rarely ever listen to anything very loud anymore and am content with the factory system in the RSX.

Fun stuff is still in the Accord though. I was never one for the neighborhood shaking crap, but its distortion free and well balanced up to volumes that are bordering on painful.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 06:00:13 PM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 05:35:28 PM
There should be a passive crossover between the tweeters and the speakers in the lower door.

I had my car audio fun 5+ years ago, I rarely ever listen to anything very loud anymore and am content with the factory system in the RSX.

Fun stuff is still in the Accord though. I was never one for the neighborhood shaking crap, but its distortion free and well balanced up to volumes that are bordering on painful.

That's just it. I don't listen to things very loud. Maybe sometimes in the summer when I'm on the highway at 120+ and the sunroof is open... but that's about it. The stock system in the Trep is absolute CRAP.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 06:02:11 PM
Are there crossovers between the tweeter and the other speaker in what you just installed though?

If not those tweeters probably won't last too long.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 06:03:14 PM
Oh and take that damn lens hood off when using the flash already...
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 06:03:14 PM
Oh and take that damn lens hood off when using the flash already...

I always do, I just didn't feel like taking the extra 1 minute for these pictures that don't matter. :evildude:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 06:04:14 PM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 06:02:11 PM
Are there crossovers between the tweeter and the other speaker in what you just installed though?

If not those tweeters probably won't last too long.

I don't know. My guy put this stuff in for me.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: J86 on November 12, 2007, 06:18:16 PM
fun!
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 06:04:14 PM
I don't know. My guy put this stuff in for me.

Your "guy"? Is this turning into a coming out thread?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 06:20:50 PM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 06:20:18 PM
Your "guy"? Is this turning into a coming out thread?


:lol:

My buddy Ciprian... he is very convinced that I'll fuck up because it has to do with wiring. He's probably right.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 06:21:10 PM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 06:20:18 PM
Your "guy"? Is this turning into a coming out thread?


Also, I'm not the one who told the Spin that you had a room with me in Niagara ;)
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 06:21:50 PM
You know, while you were in the car with the camera turned on you could've taken pics of your Autostick. :evildude:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 06:21:10 PM
Also, I'm not the one who told the Spin that you had a room with me in Niagara ;)

As I recall it was you that chose to interpret it that way. :P
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: the Teuton on November 12, 2007, 07:09:35 PM
If they're 6.5" and they don't have stupid paper cone elements, I'll trade you straight up for a TOYOTA hat when I get back home.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CJ on November 12, 2007, 07:21:35 PM
If they're 6.25", I'll give you $20.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: JYODER240 on November 12, 2007, 08:05:34 PM
Is there anyway I can get an aftermarket aux jack in my car without having to get an aftermarket headunit?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:05:35 PM
Quote from: CJ on November 12, 2007, 07:21:35 PM
If they're 6.25", I'll give you $20.

seriously? How do I measure? Diameter?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CJ on November 12, 2007, 08:09:17 PM
Yeah. 
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: JWC on November 12, 2007, 08:12:47 PM
Timely posts.  I'm thinking about buying a marine mp3 amp for the VW. It's made to mount on a boat to power your mp3 player without a head unit.  An outlet mounts to the dash so you can plug the mp3 player directly to the amp.  It only powers four speaker, but that is about all I need in the VW for now.  If it works, and sounds OK (not looking for excellent) I'll mount one in the other VW when it is finished and my player goes from house to either car.

Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:14:49 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:05:35 PM
seriously? How do I measure? Diameter?

Area.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 12, 2007, 08:16:09 PM
Volume.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: giant_mtb on November 12, 2007, 08:16:19 PM
I installedz new speakerz, but I ztill didn't rearize that the size of them is meazured in diameters.  WTFLOLZBBQ?!
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 12, 2007, 08:16:19 PM
I installedz new speakerz, but I ztill didn't rearize that the size of them is meazured in diameters.  WTFLOLZBBQ?!

My buddy did it for me.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: giant_mtb on November 12, 2007, 08:25:47 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:17:22 PM
My buddy did it for me.

Does your buddy do all of your "mods" for you?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:26:58 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 12, 2007, 08:25:47 PM
Does your buddy do all of your "mods" for you?

Nope. Only the ones involving wiring. Even most of those, like the OTIS/EVIC, he sorta teaches me. Today we didn't have ANY time so he just quickly popped off the covers and swapped them for me. The whole ordeal was like 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:29:47 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:26:58 PM
Nope. Only the ones involving wiring. Even most of those, like the OTIS/EVIC, he sorta teaches me. Today we didn't have ANY time so he just quickly popped off the covers and swapped them for me. The whole ordeal was like 15 minutes.

So that means that he does all of them, minus the cupholders which requires the skill of using a screwdriver.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:31:25 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:29:47 PM
So that means that he does all of them, minus the cupholders which requires the skill of using a screwdriver.

Not true. I changed the mirror, put in the trunklid liner, I put the tweeters on, the shifter, signal bulbs, license plate bracket, et al
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:35:51 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:31:25 PM
Not true. I changed the mirror, put in the trunklid liner, I put the tweeters on, the shifter, signal bulbs, license plate bracket, et al

Holy shit, fuck college, you should be a mechanic.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:36:42 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:35:51 PM
Holy shit, fuck college, you should be a mechanic.

:lol:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 12, 2007, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:35:51 PM
Holy shit, fuck college, you should be a mechanic.

That's what I said, until I realized I could go to college and study mechanics!
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Minpin on November 12, 2007, 08:38:11 PM
"License Plate Bracket"



You're kidding right? That requires a screwdriver. A monkey could do that.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:38:54 PM
Quote from: NACar on November 12, 2007, 08:37:55 PM
That's what I said, until I realized I could go to college and study mechanics!

So you are following through on being a mech engineer. Awesome.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 12, 2007, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:38:54 PM
So you are following through on being a mech engineer. Awesome.

No. I'm going to F41L calculus. I shall study the technology specific to automobiles.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:40:54 PM
Quote from: Minpin on November 12, 2007, 08:38:11 PM
"License Plate Bracket"



You're kidding right? That requires a screwdriver. A monkey could do that.

Ditto most of the other things he's done. I bet he can't even change his oil.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:40:54 PM
Ditto most of the other things he's done. I bet he can't even change his oil.

I can't.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:42:35 PM
I can't.

That's REALLY pitiful.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:43:04 PM
That's REALLY pitiful.

It's not out of inability so much as out of paranoia to fuck something up.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:43:26 PM
It's not out of inability so much as out of paranoia to fuck something up.

...
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 08:49:27 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:43:26 PM
It's not out of inability so much as out of paranoia to fuck something up.

Not a hell of a lot to fuck up.
Only really 2 critical things:
- make sure the old gasket comes off with the old filter
- take your time with the drain plug so that you don't cross thread it or over tighten it.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 08:58:27 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 08:43:26 PM
It's not out of inability so much as out of paranoia to fuck something up.
You loosen one bolt, let the oil drain out, then retighten the bolt (but not too tightly) then take out the oil filter, take the new filter and rub some old oil along the outside for a good seal, then tighten it up, fill the car with oil, turn on the car, then turn off the car, wipe down the dipstick and recheck and then you're good to go.

Not a lot to mess up.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: giant_mtb on November 12, 2007, 09:06:25 PM
Installing speakers consists of removing 3 or 4 screws from the interior door panel to remove it, removing 4 or so screws to take off the speaker, disconnecting the not-fuck-up-able wiring connector, and doing the reverse with the new speaker.  Honestly, my mother could do it if I told her what to do.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 09:17:52 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 12, 2007, 09:06:25 PM
Installing speakers consists of removing 3 or 4 screws from the interior door panel to remove it, removing 4 or so screws to take off the speaker, disconnecting the not-fuck-up-able wiring connector, and doing the reverse with the new speaker.  Honestly, my mother could do it if I told her what to do.

There I will disagree. Some door panels can be an absolute pain in the ass to remove. Then if you are installing aftermarket speakers, some modification may be required.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Minpin on November 12, 2007, 09:19:39 PM
Not to mention it is critical to get a good tune on your amp. That you can't really do yourself.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2007, 09:21:13 PM
Give trep a break on this stuff guys.

Nail his ass to the wall on everything else if you must, but hey at least he's trying to learn how to do these things which are pretty foreign to him and enjoying himself while he's at it.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:23:16 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2007, 09:21:13 PM
Give trep a break on this stuff guys.

Nail his ass to the wall on everything else if you must, but hey at least he's trying to learn how to do these things which are pretty foreign to him and enjoying himself while he's at it.

Coming from you, I say that's fair.

That is, you will nail our collective asses to the wall on anything mechanic.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:23:16 PM
Coming from you, I say that's fair.

That is, you will nail our collective asses to the wall on anything mechanic.
Except for Onslaught and Roy and possibly Payman.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
Except for Onslaught and Roy and possibly Payman.

And Trep and ChrisV.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:24:49 PM
And Trep and ChrisV.
Trep?? :confused:

Oh yeah, and me. I am t3h pwnzor. :lol:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 09:25:29 PM
Trep?? :confused:

Oh yeah, and me. I am t3h pwnzor. :lol:

No. Not you.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2007, 09:27:17 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:23:16 PM
Coming from you, I say that's fair.

That is, you will nail our collective asses to the wall on anything mechanic.

That sounds vaguely disturbing and homoerotic.

(and people have already noted several that likely have more mechanical experience than I, and I can think of several more right now)
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:26:12 PM
No. Not you.
Why not me? :cry:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 12, 2007, 09:28:33 PM
I don't know what you guise are talking about, but here is a picture of an Audi V8:

(http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/2188/AudiUS-V8.jpg)
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:29:11 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2007, 09:27:17 PM
That sounds vaguely disturbing and homoerotic.

(and people have already noted several that likely have more mechanical experience than I, and I can think of several more right now)

That's because you wanted it to sound vaguely disturbing and homoerotic. Perv. :rolleyes:

:lol:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2007, 09:30:51 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:29:11 PM
That's because you wanted it to sound vaguely disturbing and homoerotic. Perv. :rolleyes:

:lol:

Don't start getting all freudian on me now.

Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 09:31:36 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 12, 2007, 09:30:51 PM
Don't start getting all freudian on me now.



Shut up, you stupid id. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 10:28:03 PM
Quote from: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
Except for Onslaught and Roy and possibly Payman.

What about Jay Doubleyou See?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: giant_mtb on November 13, 2007, 05:10:26 AM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on November 12, 2007, 09:17:52 PM
There I will disagree. Some door panels can be an absolute pain in the ass to remove. Then if you are installing aftermarket speakers, some modification may be required.

lol
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Champ on November 13, 2007, 10:07:14 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 13, 2007, 05:10:26 AM
lol
What's funny about that?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 13, 2007, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: Champ on November 13, 2007, 10:07:14 AM
What's funny about that?

+1
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: giant_mtb on November 13, 2007, 01:51:32 PM
Quote from: Champ on November 13, 2007, 10:07:14 AM
What's funny about that?

Because I never thought that a pain in the ass door panel would be reason enough to have someone else do it for you.  Cutting wires, I can understand, but since I doubt that was necessary in this application, it makes it funny.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Champ on November 13, 2007, 04:22:04 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 13, 2007, 01:51:32 PM
Because I never thought that a pain in the ass door panel would be reason enough to have someone else do it for you.  Cutting wires, I can understand, but since I doubt that was necessary in this application, it makes it funny.
There are some door panels that are SERIOUS PITA.  I would wager splicing wires is an easier "general skill" that anyone should have, than removing some door panels.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: giant_mtb on November 13, 2007, 06:07:46 PM
Quote from: Champ on November 13, 2007, 04:22:04 PM
There are some door panels that are SERIOUS PITA.  I would wager splicing wires is an easier "general skill" that anyone should have, than removing some door panels.

...and what does that have to do with this particular case?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Champ on November 13, 2007, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 13, 2007, 06:07:46 PM
...and what does that have to do with this particular case?
You said you can understand getting someones help to splice wires, but could not understand getting help taking the door panel off.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: giant_mtb on November 13, 2007, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: Champ on November 13, 2007, 06:14:50 PM
You said you can understand getting someones help to splice wires, but could not understand getting help taking the door panel off.

You lie.  I said that I couldn't understand having someone else do it for you.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 13, 2007, 07:51:36 PM
Hey now, stop the thread!

Getting door panels off is EASY.

The tricky part is taking them off without breaking/warping them or those obnoxious little plastic pieces- then getting them back on without them rattling or squeaking too much as you roll through the 'burbs..

[resume thread]
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Rupert on November 14, 2007, 01:16:21 AM
Quote from: Raghavan on November 12, 2007, 04:54:46 PM
The headunit itself can't power the speakers so the signal is sent to the amplifier that has its own powersource and that amplifies the signal and can power the speakers.

Wait, so I've got an invisible amplifier between my HU and my speakers?! 0_o
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Rupert on November 14, 2007, 01:18:43 AM
Quote from: NACar on November 12, 2007, 08:16:09 PM
Volume.

speakersize=((area^2)/(4*diameter*volume*e^2.7439))^1.6

And that's how you find how big your speakers are, end of discussion.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Rupert on November 14, 2007, 01:19:41 AM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 06:00:13 PM
That's just it. I don't listen to things very loud. Maybe sometimes in the summer when I'm on the highway at 120+ and the sunroof is open... but that's about it. The stock system in the Trep is absolute CRAP.

I almost LOL-ed at that 120 number. Then I remembered where you live. Use units, Canuck! :lol:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 14, 2007, 09:42:04 AM
Quote from: Psilos on November 14, 2007, 01:16:21 AM
Wait, so I've got an invisible amplifier between my HU and my speakers?! 0_o
Most aftermarket units actually have decent amps builtin.
Many OEM stereos don't- you'll find an amp somewheres.

My SHO had 2 amps behind the rearseat (but hidden from the trunk by a panel)- and 2 subs under the reardeck speakers..

Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 14, 2007, 11:45:23 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 14, 2007, 09:42:04 AM
Most aftermarket units actually have decent amps builtin.
Many OEM stereos don't- you'll find an amp somewheres.

My SHO had 2 amps behind the rearseat (but hidden from the trunk by a panel)- and 2 subs under the reardeck speakers..



Mine's above the glovebox behind the dash panels...hidden from view.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 14, 2007, 07:28:15 PM
Under the passenger seat in the RSX-S.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: giant_mtb on November 14, 2007, 07:34:47 PM
Mine's above the ceiling covered in three layers of duct tape underneath the rear shelf system next to the spare tire of the right-rear wheelwell.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: deesea on November 14, 2007, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on November 12, 2007, 08:40:54 PM
Ditto most of the other things he's done. I bet he can't even change his oil.

Intrepids don't need oil. They use a little hamster with one of those wheel thingies, they need seeds to keep the hamsters alive.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Rupert on November 14, 2007, 08:02:12 PM
How come over the many times I've done things with car audio bits, I've never heard of this?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 14, 2007, 08:41:19 PM
Heard of what?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 14, 2007, 10:59:52 PM
Speakers are connected as of 12:43am :rockon:

They sound freaking SWEET.

According to Ciprian the amp puts out 360W.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Rupert on November 14, 2007, 11:17:08 PM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on November 14, 2007, 08:41:19 PM
Heard of what?

This amp between the stock HU and the speakers that everyone seems to have.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Raghavan on November 14, 2007, 11:58:35 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 14, 2007, 11:17:08 PM
This amp between the stock HU and the speakers that everyone seems to have.
Maybe your head unit had a built in one. :huh:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 15, 2007, 12:26:20 AM
Quote from: Psilos on November 14, 2007, 11:17:08 PM
This amp between the stock HU and the speakers that everyone seems to have.

Its not a very widespread thing. You'll generally only see it on cars equipped with fancy radios from the factory.

To my knowledge all factory installed Bose radios use a seperate amp somewhere in the vehicle.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Rupert on November 15, 2007, 06:59:01 PM
Ah, fancy radios.

None of my cars have had that.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: the Teuton on November 15, 2007, 08:13:12 PM
Trep, the Subie and the Trep use the same size speakers.  If they don't sound like complete rubbish, I'll trade you for a Toyota hat.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 15, 2007, 08:40:21 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on November 15, 2007, 08:13:12 PM
Trep, the Subie and the Trep use the same size speakers.  If they don't sound like complete rubbish, I'll trade you for a Toyota hat.

YOu have a reply on AIM. :tounge:

Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 16, 2007, 05:53:04 AM
Quote from: Psilos on November 15, 2007, 06:59:01 PM
Ah, fancy radios.

None of my cars have had that.

Sometimes you're not missing out. Many aftermarket decks (no added amp) with a decent pair of 6x9s in the back sound just as good.

Our 99 Grand Caravan has the "upgraded" Infinity system w/ cd and tape- not sure where they would hide an amp, the HU is hugish. It has speakers in the front doors and back seat (under the windows) then also has smaller speakers on the dash and (2 tweeters?) in the "D" pillars. Sounds like a decent aftermarket would but I'm sure the option was expensive.

The SHO though-
Sigh. That thing sounded Good w/ JBL stereo, 4 speakers + 2 subs + 2amps.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Laconian on November 16, 2007, 10:09:42 AM
I just "modded" my Miata last summer by reconnecting the tiny headrest speakers. Now my phat rig cranks out sick amounts of treble! :rockon:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: heelntoe on November 16, 2007, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 12, 2007, 04:28:22 PM
So most of you know I upgraded the audio in the Intrepid today. It's a 7-speaker + amplifier Infinity system from a 2004 300M, almost brand new. The car only had 23k on it before it was totalled. I scored the system for $50.
WRONG!
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Laconian on November 16, 2007, 01:37:18 PM
????
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 16, 2007, 05:53:04 AM
Sometimes you're not missing out. Many aftermarket decks (no added amp) with a decent pair of 6x9s in the back sound just as good.

Our 99 Grand Caravan has the "upgraded" Infinity system w/ cd and tape- not sure where they would hide an amp, the HU is hugish. It has speakers in the front doors and back seat (under the windows) then also has smaller speakers on the dash and (2 tweeters?) in the "D" pillars. Sounds like a decent aftermarket would but I'm sure the option was expensive.

The SHO though-
Sigh. That thing sounded Good w/ JBL stereo, 4 speakers + 2 subs + 2amps.

I'd pretty much prefer a shitty stock radio so I can upgrade it myself.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 16, 2007, 03:46:10 PM
Quote from: heelntoe on November 16, 2007, 10:48:54 AM
WRONG!

2 front tweeters, 2 lower door speakers, 2 rear shelf speakers, 1 small rear shelf subwoofer.

2+2+2+1 = 7.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 16, 2007, 05:52:29 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 16, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
I'd pretty much prefer a shitty stock radio so I can upgrade it myself.
Fo shizzle. 
Add up quality aftermarket deck, amp, and 4x speakers and it usually is still half of what you would pay for the "premium stereo" option- plus most places will install for free if you buy that much crap.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 16, 2007, 06:01:01 PM
Quote from: Psilos on November 16, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
I'd pretty much prefer a shitty stock radio so I can upgrade it myself.

I dunno, if you get a decent stock radio you don't have to fiddle around with anything and its less likely someone will break into your car to steal your shit.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2007, 06:56:37 PM
I don't live in a place where I have to worry about people stealing my stuff. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2007, 07:18:14 PM
I want this head unit for the Civic
(http://www.clarion.com/us/en/MungoBlobs/906/749/DFZ675MC.jpg)

Anybody have any experience with clarion?
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: CALL_911 on November 16, 2007, 07:31:11 PM
No experience, but that thing looks awesome.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: heelntoe on November 17, 2007, 08:57:33 AM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on November 16, 2007, 03:46:10 PM
2 front tweeters, 2 lower door speakers, 2 rear shelf speakers, 1 small rear shelf subwoofer.

2+2+2+1 = 7.
that's only six speakers, so it's a 6.1 system.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 17, 2007, 09:08:18 AM
Quote from: heelntoe on November 17, 2007, 08:57:33 AM
that's only six speakers, so it's a 6.1 system.

A subwoofer is still a speaker, so he does have 7 speakers.

The .1 description came about because thats how they described the bass channel on theatre surround systems. Calling his car system a 6.1 is inaccurate because the sub in his car is not receiving any different signal than the rest of them, its just crossed over (like the tweeters should be) to only deal with the bass frequencies.

So really he only has a 4.0 system. The tweeters up front receive the same signal (albeit filtered I hope) as the bigger speaker lower in the same door.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: heelntoe on November 17, 2007, 10:07:09 AM
there goes my attempt at trying to sound smart. :lol:
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: TheIntrepid on November 17, 2007, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: heelntoe on November 17, 2007, 10:07:09 AM
there goes my attempt at trying to sound smart. :lol:

Sucka.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: BimmerM3 on November 17, 2007, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on November 17, 2007, 09:08:18 AM
A subwoofer is still a speaker, so he does have 7 speakers.

The .1 description came about because thats how they described the bass channel on theatre surround systems. Calling his car system a 6.1 is inaccurate because the sub in his car is not receiving any different signal than the rest of them, its just crossed over (like the tweeters should be) to only deal with the bass frequencies.

So really he only has a 4.0 system. The tweeters up front receive the same signal (albeit filtered I hope) as the bigger speaker lower in the same door.

Some head units have a separate sub output (mine), so they could be described as a .1 system.

As far as calling it a 4.0 system, that might be a stretch. Even though it outputs separate front and rear signals, it's really just a crossover located in the HU, not separate audio channels. Any form of media that is input into the HU is going to be a stereo format, so I'd have to call it a 2.0 system.

It's kind of like when my dad set up a surround system in our living room, but didn't realize that digital audio was necessary. For years we had stereo audio outputing into a 5.0 system, until I installed our new TV this past summer.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: thewizard16 on November 17, 2007, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 16, 2007, 07:18:14 PM
I want this head unit for the Civic
(http://www.clarion.com/us/en/MungoBlobs/906/749/DFZ675MC.jpg)

Anybody have any experience with clarion?
Clarion's a pretty respected brand. I don't know anything about them specifically (my aftermarket stereos have been Aiwa (loved it, but they don't make many, if any, anymore), Sony (crap, and expensive), and Panasonic (acceptable in every way, excellent in none), so I can't give any solid advice.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 17, 2007, 03:50:20 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on November 17, 2007, 02:46:54 PM
Some head units have a separate sub output (mine), so they could be described as a .1 system.

As far as calling it a 4.0 system, that might be a stretch. Even though it outputs separate front and rear signals, it's really just a crossover located in the HU, not separate audio channels. Any form of media that is input into the HU is going to be a stereo format, so I'd have to call it a 2.0 system.

It's kind of like when my dad set up a surround system in our living room, but didn't realize that digital audio was necessary. For years we had stereo audio outputing into a 5.0 system, until I installed our new TV this past summer.

The separate sub output is just the low frequencies from both of the other 2 channels. The .1 is reserved for a dedicated bass only channel.

You are right that I f'd up a little up there, it is just a 2.0 system if anything in most cars, blame heelntoe for that one :P

FWIW, the headunit in my Accord also has 3 sets of preouts and a built in crossover for the front/rear, and sub channels. I cheated by splitting the front outputs into two at the amp, didn't want to run another set of RCAs. 5 channel amp running everything.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: VTEC_Inside on November 17, 2007, 03:54:39 PM
Quote from: thewizard16 on November 17, 2007, 02:54:53 PM
Clarion's a pretty respected brand. I don't know anything about them specifically (my aftermarket stereos have been Aiwa (loved it, but they don't make many, if any, anymore), Sony (crap, and expensive), and Panasonic (acceptable in every way, excellent in none), so I can't give any solid advice.

For the sake of experience, a buddy of mine bought a Clarion CD deck a while after I got my Pioneer. He has had a bit of trouble with the CD player in it. I've never had a problem with my Pioneer.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: Rupert on November 17, 2007, 04:09:13 PM
I've had a couple of Clarion units. They sound good (though I haven't compared them to other brands' HUs at the price point mine have been at), and mine have been reliable.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 18, 2007, 11:20:51 AM
FWIW Aiwa is Sony.. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiwa

And I've always liked the layout and sound of Pioneer decks- and the guts of the middle-range units are found in the cheapest of the cheap too, so you don't suffer sound quality (just features and display bling) if you're a cheapskate like I am... :-)
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: sportyaccordy on November 20, 2007, 06:56:41 AM
I'm planning on doing an SQ build next year. CDT Audio M6s all around, with their tweeters + x-ovre in front, and a Profile amp. I'm debating getting a sub...
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 21, 2007, 09:22:58 AM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 20, 2007, 06:56:41 AM
I'm planning on doing an SQ build next year. CDT Audio M6s all around, with their tweeters + x-ovre in front, and a Profile amp. I'm debating getting a sub...
What is there to debate?  :-)

Unless you're short on space and/or money I see no reason not to.  It will only enhance whatever music you listen to, guaranteed...
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: BimmerM3 on November 24, 2007, 02:05:55 AM
Quote from: VTEC_Inside on November 17, 2007, 03:50:20 PM
The separate sub output is just the low frequencies from both of the other 2 channels. The .1 is reserved for a dedicated bass only channel.


I agree with what you're saying, but I've seen computer speaker systems advertised as a 2.1 even though it works the same as car's system does.
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: sportyaccordy on November 26, 2007, 07:41:33 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 21, 2007, 09:22:58 AM
What is there to debate?  :-)

Unless you're short on space and/or money I see no reason not to.  It will only enhance whatever music you listen to, guaranteed...

My last system was adequate with just the 6x9s in the back handling bass duties...

With a sub you have to worry about time delay, phasing, etc. I mean I will get distribution blocks to add future amps just cause, but the bulk of the music I listen to doesn't require earth shaking bass... and the CDT Audio M6s are more than up to the task of handling the lows...

If I do get a sub... it's gonna be strictly SQ, probably a Dayton 12" in a sealed box. But I would have to change my HU, as this one doesn't have time delay settings. See the downward spiral car audio creates???
Title: Re: Audio Modz, yo!
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 27, 2007, 12:42:31 AM
I didn't worry about the time delay- I'm not an afficionado, either.

I like bass though, and honestly to me any stereo sounds better with a sub..

But I know what you mean about spiralling-
I bought a $50 mp3 player last week (Sansa e250 from tigerdirect) and already I'm pricing cases, armbands, extra memory, etc...  :nono: