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So pretend my car was a little newer and had 5 lugs instead of 4. This is basically what happened with my car -- the flange rusted apart from the pipe. The car has been driven about 300 miles since it happened, and the pipe has been beaten to shit on the part where it's rubbing the ground. I am working with an independent mechanic right now to get it fixed, so it should be done tomorrow night at the earliest. He is cutting off the rusted flange, the beaten-to-hell part of the pipe, and welding a new piece of pipe in its place. The quote I got was $80 for everything.
Good price? I know it's still under $100, but the other day, some of you were quoting $50-60 for such things, so I thought I would ask if this all seems fair.
I don't think 80$ versus 60$ is that big of a deal.
Quote from: 2o6 on February 13, 2010, 08:20:45 PM
I don't think 80$ versus 60$ is that big of a deal.
That's a 25 percent difference. It's not like it's life-shattering. I just want to know I'm getting a good deal.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 13, 2010, 08:21:30 PM
That's a 25 percent difference. It's not like it's life-shattering. I just want to know I'm getting a good deal.
You really do deserve to have those Star of David hubcaps.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on February 13, 2010, 08:26:05 PM
You really do deserve to have those Star of David hubcaps.
So a mechanic at any other shop would probably charge me more than $80?
It's not a great deal, especially for just a straight piece of pipe and two welds, but it's not a total ripoff. If your entire exhaust is likely to need replacement soon, I'd consider replacing the whole thing right off, instead of fixing it in several inconvenient stages. You should be able to get an entire cat-back done for roughly twice that price - and I'm talking cheaper aluminized steel, not stainless (overkill for a cheap used car).
Considering your typical shop charges $60 an hour just for labor and that job sounds like it would be at least an hour, $80 doesn't sound unreasonable.
Quote from: MX793 on February 13, 2010, 08:33:51 PM
Considering your typical shop charges $60 an hour just for labor and that job sounds like it would be at least an hour, $80 doesn't sound unreasonable.
Cheap shops around here have been running at about $70-75 and the more expensive are right around $92, for reference. But the labor should be an hour or so?
I just need this car to safely and relatively quietly get me to New York in two weeks.
Quote from: MX793 on February 13, 2010, 08:33:51 PM
Considering your typical shop charges $60 an hour just for labor and that job sounds like it would be at least an hour, $80 doesn't sound unreasonable.
Do-it-all ASE certified guys do charge that much.
That's why you go to a hole-in-the-wall exhaust shop with a guy that only does exhausts all day, and can fab up an entire dual exhaust on a 79 LeMans with newly installed headers for $200 in less than an hour, blindfolded.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 13, 2010, 08:40:12 PM
Do-it-all ASE certified guys do charge that much.
That's why you go to a hole-in-the-wall exhaust shop with a guy that only does exhausts all day, and can fab up an entire dual exhaust on a 79 LeMans with newly installed headers for $200 in less than an hour, blindfolded.
This is from a hole in the wall place. That's why I'm able to get the car back on a Sunday night possibly. But I want to know what is fair for a job like this.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 13, 2010, 08:41:30 PM
This is from a hole in the wall place. That's why I'm able to get the car back on a Sunday night possibly. But I want to know what is fair for a job like this.
Im sure its a hole in the wall, but the price is high compared to an exhaust shop. It's not that bad, though. Dont worry so much.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 13, 2010, 08:40:12 PM
Do-it-all ASE certified guys do charge that much.
That's why you go to a hole-in-the-wall exhaust shop with a guy that only does exhausts all day, and can fab up an entire dual exhaust on a 79 LeMans with newly installed headers for $200 in less than an hour, blindfolded.
If he's good then he'll charge you. I would.
I'd just be happy to have found someone willing to do it on a weekend.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 13, 2010, 10:07:06 PM
If he's good then he'll charge you. I would.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. It sounds like Teuton needs a small, straight section of pipe put in. Anyone can charge an hour labor plus parts and most customers will pay it, but a good exhaust guy would do it for next to nothing.
He could do it himself with a $5 section of pipe, $4 for two clamps, and a sawzall or hacksaw.
Yeah it's actually not that easy, but I agree with Josh and others, this is a relative steal.
Quote from: R-inge on February 14, 2010, 07:58:32 AM
Yeah it's actually not that easy, but I agree with Josh and others, this is a relative steal.
That's all I wanted to hear. Danke! :ohyeah:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 14, 2010, 12:33:23 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. It sounds like Teuton needs a small, straight section of pipe put in. Anyone can charge an hour labor plus parts and most customers will pay it, but a good exhaust guy would do it for next to nothing.
He could do it himself with a $5 section of pipe, $4 for two clamps, and a sawzall or hacksaw.
In our line of work you never charge actual time. I can fix things in less than half the time the book gives but you don't see me giving the money back when I'm done.
If I was a good exhaust person who could fix things fast then I'd want to get paid for the fact that A. I'm good and B. It took time for me to get good so you've got to pay for that.
Yeah, good price Teuts. Last time I had something very, very similar to that done it was around $65. That was almost 4 years ago, and with material price increases, inflation, etc. that seems very reasonable.
One thing to recommend though: have him inspect the rest of the exhaust system for potential failures in the near future. Like Nick said, if something else is going to go soon, it's best to just more now and be done with it.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 14, 2010, 01:44:21 PM
In our line of work you never charge actual time. I can fix things in less than half the time the book gives but you don't see me giving the money back when I'm done.
If I was a good exhaust person who could fix things fast then I'd want to get paid for the fact that A. I'm good and B. It took time for me to get good so you've got to pay for that.
I suspect that the "book" often takes into account worst case contingencies that you might only encounter 10% of the time. Stuff like you accidentally break the head off of a rusted bolt and then have to spend a bunch of time screwing around trying to remove the rest of the bolt.
Quote from: MX793 on February 15, 2010, 03:21:12 PM
I suspect that the "book" often takes into account worst case contingencies that you might only encounter 10% of the time. Stuff like you accidentally break the head off of a rusted bolt and then have to spend a bunch of time screwing around trying to remove the rest of the bolt.
I don't think so. That fucking book is paying less and less to do things every year.
And regardless if you're good at something you're not going to charge less to do it just to be nice.
My car is done. He said the exhaust, as it is, is generally like Swiss cheese. Still, it's a lot quieter than it was. I'm not worried. I'm going to pick it up tomorrow.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 15, 2010, 06:45:06 PM
My car is done. He said the exhaust, as it is, is generally like Swiss cheese. Still, it's a lot quieter than it was. I'm not worried. I'm going to pick it up tomorrow.
It'll fall apart again in a week.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 13, 2010, 08:32:09 PM
It's not a great deal, especially for just a straight piece of pipe and two welds, but it's not a total ripoff. If your entire exhaust is likely to need replacement soon, I'd consider replacing the whole thing right off, instead of fixing it in several inconvenient stages. You should be able to get an entire cat-back done for roughly twice that price - and I'm talking cheaper aluminized steel, not stainless (overkill for a cheap used car).
Yep
But then u have to do a cost benefit analysis of installing a $250 exhaust on a $250 car.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on February 15, 2010, 07:48:51 PM
Yep
But then u have to do a cost benefit analysis of installing a $250 exhaust on a $250 car.
I think he should sell it and get an STi
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 15, 2010, 07:47:38 PM
It'll fall apart again in a week.
I don't think so -- or at least I hope not. I don't need it going kaput in New York on me.
Got the car back. Apparently, the exhaust is wearing out altogether, but it sounds really good right now...dare I say it, sporty. The car is quieter than it has ever been for me, and it's really smooth.
That said, after taxes, it came to a little under $80 and some gas money. It looks like he put about 30 miles on my car, but nothing was missing and there was no excessive oil burnoff, so color me impressed. :praise:
30 miles? wtf
Quote from: The Pirate on February 15, 2010, 11:11:16 PM
That happened to me once.
That happened to me more than once. :lol:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2010, 10:34:34 AM
30 miles? wtf
I believe I left the car with 1/8 tank of gas. It usually takes 20-30 miles for it to get to E (even though there are usually still 2 gallons left in the tank). I wish I would have recorded the miles before I left, but I'm thinking 20-30 miles.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 16, 2010, 10:39:52 AM
I believe I left the car with 1/8 tank of gas. It usually takes 20-30 miles for it to get to E (even though there are usually still 2 gallons left in the tank). I wish I would have recorded the miles before I left, but I'm thinking 20-30 miles.
gas gauges are horrible for gauging how much gas was actually used
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2010, 10:40:57 AM
gas gauges are horrible for gauging how much gas was actually used
It has 628 on the trip odometer. I know I left it with right around 600ish because I left work with it at 580 the other day, and it takes about 20 miles to get home. Still, water under the bridge. I only put $7 of gas in it last week.
Your exhaust is swiss cheez. It will soon be time for a Flowmasta. :devil:
lolz at the durability of welding metal to rust...
Quote from: r0tor on February 16, 2010, 10:52:36 AM
lolz at the durability of welding metal to rust...
they should have made it from plastic. never rusts, and continually renews and remolds itself using exhaust heat to melt it
Quote from: r0tor on February 16, 2010, 10:52:36 AM
lolz at the durability of welding metal to rust...
It's gonna last 'til New York and back or I will just take some tin snips to it.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 16, 2010, 01:05:04 PM
It's gonna last 'til New York and back or I will just take some tin snips to it.
Keep some wire clothes hangers and dykes in your car.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2010, 01:12:22 PM
Keep some wire clothes hangers and dykes in your car.
What is Ellen DeGeneres going to do? Jack up the car?
Quote from: Onslaught on February 16, 2010, 01:30:47 PM
What is Ellen DeGeneres going to do? Jack up the car?
Rosie might. :lol:
I have a 2-ton jack and jackstands in the trunk.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 16, 2010, 01:33:42 PM
Rosie might. :lol:
I have a 2-ton jack and jackstands in the trunk.
She'd eat the car with you in it.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 16, 2010, 01:35:11 PM
She'd eat the car with you in it.
You trying to give me nightmares?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2010, 01:12:22 PM
Keep some wire clothes hangers and dykes in your car.
This is excellent advice. Ever since the exhaust drop/raccoon termination saga with the Civic, I keep several coat hangers and appropriate tools in the car.
Quote from: The Pirate on February 16, 2010, 11:04:30 PM
This is excellent advice. Ever since the exhaust drop/raccoon termination saga with the Civic, I keep several coat hangers and appropriate tools in the car.
I always keep my Gerber multi tool in my glovebox. If that can't fix it, it ain't worth fixin!
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2010, 11:09:44 PM
I always keep my Gerber multi tool duct tape in my glovebox. If that can't fix it, it ain't worth fixin!
Fixed.
Duct tape and wire.
Quote from: Minpin on February 16, 2010, 11:10:20 PM
Fixed.
Duh, but it dont fit in da glovbawcks lesss I take it off tha roll.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2010, 11:11:41 PM
Duh, but it dont fit in da glovbawcks lesss I take it off tha roll.
I thought you had uberkooler glovebox?
Quote from: Minpin on February 16, 2010, 11:13:05 PM
I thought you had uberkooler glovebox?
I NO HAS CALIPER :heated:
The last time I had an exhaust fall off, I think I used some scrap 16 ga lectric wire... I cant member. Anyway, most cars are just full of wire, snd you don't really need them all.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 13, 2010, 07:56:33 PM
So pretend my car was a little newer and had 5 lugs instead of 4. This is basically what happened with my car -- the flange rusted apart from the pipe. The car has been driven about 300 miles since it happened, and the pipe has been beaten to shit on the part where it's rubbing the ground. I am working with an independent mechanic right now to get it fixed, so it should be done tomorrow night at the earliest. He is cutting off the rusted flange, the beaten-to-hell part of the pipe, and welding a new piece of pipe in its place. The quote I got was $80 for everything.
Good price? I know it's still under $100, but the other day, some of you were quoting $50-60 for such things, so I thought I would ask if this all seems fair.
So the mechanic is removing the flange from the cat converter and welding a piece of pipe onto the old pipe behind the cat and onto the cat. IIRC, the cat is stainless and not the easiest to weld. Overall $80 doesn't seem excessive considering the clock really starts from the moment someone gets in the car to put it on the lift and ends when the car is back in the customer lot.
Quote from: EtypeJohn on February 17, 2010, 12:06:54 PM
So the mechanic is removing the flange from the cat converter and welding a piece of pipe onto the old pipe behind the cat and onto the cat. IIRC, the cat is stainless and not the easiest to weld. Overall $80 doesn't seem excessive considering the clock really starts from the moment someone gets in the car to put it on the lift and ends when the car is back in the customer lot.
The car is eerily quiet right now. Trust me, it was worth it.
I need to get mine fixed.
Last winter when it got cold a heatshield musta come lose- it rattles like crazy.
I cut what I thought the offender was off, but it must have been more than one, or a new one rattling..
Quote from: EtypeJohn on February 17, 2010, 12:06:54 PM
So the mechanic is removing the flange from the cat converter and welding a piece of pipe onto the old pipe behind the cat and onto the cat. IIRC, the cat is stainless and not the easiest to weld. Overall $80 doesn't seem excessive considering the clock really starts from the moment someone gets in the car to put it on the lift and ends when the car is back in the customer lot.
Plus, wear and tear on the welder and other tools. I have to add that in to my expenses for cameras, strobes, and computers. Many people forget that is a major expense and only think about the time involved.
I had a customer accuse me (shop really) of driving his car 600 miles while we had it. I told him we didn't drive it but 10-15 miles to road check it, but he insisted I pay for his missing gas. It finally went to the parts service director's office for resolution. Let's say I was very embarrassed. I should have realized that we only had the car for three or four hours....six hundred miles was pretty much impossible to do in that time frame taking into account the repair time too.
It takes like ten seconds to weld a piece of straight pipe in, even on stainless. If it takes longer than that, then the mechanic is not a skilled welder, and therefore, should not be charging a full hourly rate.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 17, 2010, 07:51:44 PM
It takes like ten seconds to weld a piece of straight pipe in, even on stainless. If it takes longer than that, then the mechanic is not a skilled welder, and therefore, should not be charging a full hourly rate.
So, the best way to bring money into your shop is to hire someone with no experience and charge you for that time.
Then, there is business insurance, health insurance, building rent, shop equipment, business licenses.....
Quote from: JWC on February 17, 2010, 07:57:28 PM
So, the best way to bring money into your shop is to hire someone with no experience and charge you for that time.
Then, there is business insurance, health insurance, building rent, shop equipment, business licenses.....
You're talking about the best way to roll in the dough for a shop for whatever reason; I'm talking about getting the best deal as a customer, because Teuton is a customer.
I guess there's nothing wrong in getting a deal, unless every one gets one and the place goes out of business.
Quote from: JWC on February 17, 2010, 09:24:21 PM
I guess there's nothing wrong in getting a deal, unless every one gets one and the place goes out of business.
I don't get it; tell me again why anyone should pay $80 for something that is worth $40. Oh, because it's impossible to stay in business by specializing in one skill and undercutting the big, puffed-up ASE certified do-it-all we got a million dollars worth of tools and fifty employees shop. Yeah, because I didn't go to the same hole-in-the-wall two-guy exhaust shop to have work done on at least six different vehicles over a period of five years because they were damn good at what they did and didn't charge an arm and a leg. The guys weren't rich, but they were damn respectable, and were always busy.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 17, 2010, 10:00:12 PM
I don't get it; tell me again why anyone should pay $80 for something that is worth $40.
That's an easy one. Because unless you can do it yourself then we'll charge whatever we want to. Don't like it? Figure out how to do it then.
Pretty much.
Quote from: R-inge on February 18, 2010, 07:40:19 AM
Pretty much.
Yep. And then go buy all the shit we had to so you can do the job. Have fun with that one.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 17, 2010, 07:51:44 PM
It takes like ten seconds to weld a piece of straight pipe in, even on stainless. If it takes longer than that, then the mechanic is not a skilled welder, and therefore, should not be charging a full hourly rate.
No offense, but I don't think you under the concept of charging for services. The cost is more than the small bit of time it takes toa cutally weld the part. That shop and equipment didn't just fall out of nowhere. There are overhead costs to be covered, the time to do the repair is more than the time to do the actual welding, the car has to be put onthe lift, the length of pipe fabricated, everything prepped, the welding itself, cleanup, putting the car back on the lot, and perhaps a brief test drive.
This reminds me of an old story where a pieceof very complicated equipment went down. The company called the equipment maker who sent out a technician to fix the problem. The technician spent 1/2 hour doing something and submitted the bill. $800. The company manager was stunned and asked for an itimization of the bill since he argued the work only took 30 minutes it should have just billed about $30. So the technician re wrote the bill:
Reset mechanism: $30.00
Knowing how to reset mechanism: $770.00
The point is there are costs in the background that must be covered.
I needed to do a bit of welding so rather than take the piece to the shop I bought a flux wire welder, auto darkening hood, proper gloves and safety stuff, spare tips and wire, etc. I haven't recouped the cost in what I've saved by doing it myself. And no one is welding a job like that in "10 seconds".
Quote from: Onslaught on February 18, 2010, 07:50:57 AM
Yep. And then go buy all the shit we had to so you can do the job. Have fun with that one.
Yeah, I've got probably $20k sitting in my bay, and that's nothing compared to some of these guys. Add to that the $25k for WyoTech, and the general bullshit that we have to deal with on a daily basis and it frankly makes me wonder why I don't ask for more. If I made even 25% of our shop rate I'd instantly see a $5k/yr pay raise.
Quote from: EtypeJohn on February 18, 2010, 07:53:48 AM
This reminds me of an old story where a pieceof very complicated equipment went down. The company called the equipment maker who sent out a technician to fix the problem. The technician spent 1/2 hour doing something and submitted the bill. $800. The company manager was stunned and asked for an itimization of the bill since he argued the work only took 30 minutes it should have just billed about $30. So the technician re wrote the bill:
Reset mechanism: $30.00
Knowing how to reset mechanism: $770.00
lol, that's awesome.
Quote from: EtypeJohn on February 18, 2010, 07:53:48 AM
No offense, but I don't think you under the concept of charging for services. The cost is more than the small bit of time it takes toa cutally weld the part. That shop and equipment didn't just fall out of nowhere. There are overhead costs to be covered, the time to do the repair is more than the time to do the actual welding, the car has to be put onthe lift, the length of pipe fabricated, everything prepped, the welding itself, cleanup, putting the car back on the lot, and perhaps a brief test drive.
This reminds me of an old story where a pieceof very complicated equipment went down. The company called the equipment maker who sent out a technician to fix the problem. The technician spent 1/2 hour doing something and submitted the bill. $800. The company manager was stunned and asked for an itimization of the bill since he argued the work only took 30 minutes it should have just billed about $30. So the technician re wrote the bill:
Reset mechanism: $30.00
Knowing how to reset mechanism: $770.00
The point is there are costs in the background that must be covered.
I needed to do a bit of welding so rather than take the piece to the shop I bought a flux wire welder, auto darkening hood, proper gloves and safety stuff, spare tips and wire, etc. I haven't recouped the cost in what I've saved by doing it myself. And no one is welding a job like that in "10 seconds".
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GETTING THE BEST DEAL AS A CONSUMER means you don't go to shops with high overhead costs for minor repairs. Did I already say that? Did I? Yes, I did. Of course, nobody will acknowledge that fact because they are too busy trying to lecture me about how to run a business. Do you go to a Lamborghini dealership to get an oil change on a Taurus? Well, you probably would, but I'd go to Jimbo's Lube Xpress, because I know he's good at lubes, but has low overhead and reasonable prices. Fuck.
I could go to my shop and get a paint job fro about +2K.
I could go to Maco and get one for $250.00
Now the cheap one is a good price but the work is shit. If I took my car in to have something welded on it and they just charged me $40 to do it then I'd think they sucked ass.
I wouldn't even go look at a car for that much.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 18, 2010, 11:36:34 AM
GETTING THE BEST DEAL AS A CONSUMER means you don't go to shops with high overhead costs for minor repairs. Did I already say that? Did I? Yes, I did. Of course, nobody will acknowledge that fact because they are too busy trying to lecture me about how to run a business. Do you go to a Lamborghini dealership to get an oil change on a Taurus? Well, you probably would, but I'd go to Jimbo's Lube Xpress, because I know he's good at lubes, but has low overhead and reasonable prices. Fuck.
No, I understood exactly what you meant. I was simply pointing out that the price paid in this instance might not be an unfair price. $40 for the same job may be OK, Could be one could find a welder who isn't doning much that day and wants to do something for a few dollars. Could also be that $80 is the right price and $40 buys a crap job.
In the oil change example you left out the only viable choice for me. I'd change my own oil. ;)
The breakdown for the price was this:
Parts $20 :orly:
Labor $60
Student discount: $6
7% tax
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$79.18
I have no way of telling how the work was without jacking the car up, but it's really quiet.
An hour labor ain't bad, and if this shop has low overhead 60/hr might be reasonable.
Quote from: R-inge on February 18, 2010, 12:50:10 PM
An hour labor ain't bad, and if this shop has low overhead 60/hr might be reasonable.
It's a guy working out of his garage. But somehow he has the ability to make it all work, so I'm not complaining.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 18, 2010, 12:54:41 PM
It's a guy working out of his garage. But somehow he has the ability to make it all work, so I'm not complaining.
At the end of the day that's all that matters.
Guess what:
I like turtles.
Quote from: Onslaught on February 18, 2010, 03:39:52 PM
Mutant Ninja Turtles?
No. They use their novelty to pass on their excessive overhead to the people, and Shredder continues to come back time, and time again.
The best deals for the consumer are at Walmart.
Quote from: the Teuton on February 16, 2010, 10:42:35 AM
It has 628 on the trip odometer. I know I left it with right around 600ish because I left work with it at 580 the other day, and it takes about 20 miles to get home. Still, water under the bridge. I only put $7 of gas in it last week.
You get 600+ miles on a tank?
Pretty nice range! I get maybe 300 on a tank most of the time.
Quote from: R-inge on February 26, 2010, 09:15:40 AM
Pretty nice range! I get maybe 300 on a tank most of the time.
I think I can push it out to 375-400 if I get decent traffic, but I usually end up fueling at around 320-350. The worst thing is hopping on the highway, getting 20 miles out, and realizing you don't have enough gas to make it to work. It hasn't happened yet, since I keep a tight lid on it, but I have gotten close. You get in the car, fire it up, look at the gas gauge and say "I have enough gas to make it to work...if traffic is light..."
Quote from: Raza on February 26, 2010, 09:27:14 AM
I think I can push it out to 375-400 if I get decent traffic, but I usually end up fueling at around 320-350. The worst thing is hopping on the highway, getting 20 miles out, and realizing you don't have enough gas to make it to work. It hasn't happened yet, since I keep a tight lid on it, but I have gotten close. You get in the car, fire it up, look at the gas gauge and say "I have enough gas to make it to work...if traffic is light..."
I'm vaguely anal about this. I can't stand embarking on a long trip with less than a full tank. Even if I have more than half a tank, if it's going to be a long drive I like to start topped off.
Quote from: Raza on February 26, 2010, 09:27:14 AM
I think I can push it out to 375-400 if I get decent traffic, but I usually end up fueling at around 320-350. The worst thing is hopping on the highway, getting 20 miles out, and realizing you don't have enough gas to make it to work. It hasn't happened yet, since I keep a tight lid on it, but I have gotten close. You get in the car, fire it up, look at the gas gauge and say "I have enough gas to make it to work...if traffic is light..."
I did that once when the next gas station was 55mi away. I made it almost exactly 53mi on a solid fuel tank light before running out. :lol:
Quote from: J86 on February 26, 2010, 09:29:09 AM
I'm vaguely anal about this. I can't stand embarking on a long trip with less than a full tank. Even if I have more than half a tank, if it's going to be a long drive I like to start topped off.
I'm the same way. Whenever I'd drive to or from school, (210 miles), I always knew it would take no more than half a tank. I never made the trip without a full tank though.
I'm a bit different. I like to cover as much territory as quickly as possible, so sometimes I just start off even if I know I need to fuel up later and try to make it as far as I can before stopping. Odd logic I know... if I just filled up to start with I guess I'd make it even further before stopping again.
He doesn't get 600 miles to a tank.
Quote from: Rupert on February 26, 2010, 08:43:12 PM
He doesn't get 600 miles to a tank.
Are you saying he doesn't reset his trip odometer with each tank? That's insanity!
That is what I am saying, and what I am saying is that.
Quote from: Rupert on February 27, 2010, 03:13:34 PM
That is what I am saying, and what I am saying is that.
Insanity!
My longest trip on one tank is 250miles, in the Subie. (Small tank, I get about 22mpg, mostly the 5miles to work and back.)
The van does 450+, I'm not sure since I don't fill it up that often. At least the wife DOES reset the tripmeter on fillups now..
Quote from: J86 on February 26, 2010, 09:29:09 AM
I'm vaguely anal about this. I can't stand embarking on a long trip with less than a full tank. Even if I have more than half a tank, if it's going to be a long drive I like to start topped off.
I'm the same way. But when one cars tank is the size of a thimble and the other one sucks fuel faster than I can drink rum then I've got no choice.
When I drive west out of ID, I leave on whatever gas I have, and stop at The Last Gas Station That Lets You Pump Your Own before hitting Oregon. :lol:
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I'm lucky to get much better than 350 miles per tank if I push it. My tank is only 12 gallons. It has a small bladder.
I've only got 14 gallons myself. I fill up 7-8 times a month.
Got 8 and 16 gallons. And they get almost the same distance. The 8 gallon one will get about 40 more!
I have a 1000000 gal tank and a 12 gal tank. :lol:
Quote from: Rupert on February 28, 2010, 10:24:00 PM
I have a 1000000 gal tank and a 12 gal tank. :lol:
Oh you have one of those self filling tanks!
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Oh, god no. I have to fill that motherfucker every five blocks. Ain't cheap, tell you what.
BTW, I believe the pipe is rusting apart just fore of the muffler right now. If the muffler falls off, I'm not worrying this time. The car is quiet enough as it is, and a good cherry bomb is cheap enough.