Guys I was wondering how 2007/2006 Nissan 350z coupe 6-speed compares with auto version with regards to accleration, such as 0-60mph, 1/4th mile, 0-120mph, and mid-range pull etc. I know that the 6-speed has more horsepower and the auto has more torque but how does it effect there overall performance figures. Does any one know of an automotive source that has done a comparison of both versions with genuine performance figures:huh:
Quote from: 1 BAD 7 on June 20, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
I know that the 6-speed has more horsepower and the auto has more torque...
:confused:
I think they would be very close to each other. I know the gearing on the 5 spd auto is really good, and makes for an enjoyable drive in the lesser G35.
Quote from: HEMI666 on June 20, 2007, 12:57:39 PM
:confused:
It's true for the 2006 model. The manual was rated at 300 hp and the auto at 287. It was the same for the G35 that year as well. With the 2007 model and the new HR engine, they now both make 306 hp.
I'm not sure about the 07 because it uses the VQ35HR (which i'm not a big fan of), but the 06 which has the VQ35DE is rated at 300hp, 260lb-tq for the manual and 287hp, 274lb-ft for the auto. I've driven both, it feels how you would expect. The auto has a little more down low and the manual has a little more up top plus a higher redline. I don't know that one is really any noticably faster than the other but I would bet the manual has the edge.
I did go from about 65 to 100 with a 06 auto (which is heavier than mine) and put about a car lenght on him.
The launching advantage of the manual would deside the winner from a standstill.
But otherwise,its probably a difference only your stopwatch would be able to see.
I dont think the 5AT itself weighs much more than the 6MT,but I THINK the gearing in the auto is slightly taller.
EDIT..3.538 is the 6MT rear ratio
3.357 for the slushbox
(from 07' specs but I believe the ratios have been the same for both since 03')
Why are they rated differently for the different trannies?
Quote from: HEMI666 on June 20, 2007, 03:34:59 PM
Why are they rated differently for the different trannies?
Because the engines put down different numbers :devil:
It's not unheard of. The RX-8 auto makes less power than the manual.
Quote from: Tave on June 20, 2007, 03:39:14 PM
It's not unheard of. The RX-8 auto makes less power than the manual.
And it's also a disgrace. Auto rotaries should be illegal.
Quote from: HEMI666 on June 20, 2007, 03:34:59 PM
Why are they rated differently for the different trannies?
Perhaps Nissan's engineers were seeking to counteract the inherent loss of overall power with an auto by making it torqier to give the driver a feeling of adequate power? Good question.
Maybe it's because automatics keep the engine revs low, so tuning for a torque bias would be more accessible than a high power peak.
Yoder, why don't you like the HR? My automobile magazine subscriptions have lapsed and so I'm not quite as in the loop as I used to be.
Quote from: Laconian on June 20, 2007, 04:41:02 PM
Maybe it's because automatics keep the engine revs low, so tuning for a torque bias would be more accessible than a high power peak.
Automakers have been doing this for years. It's nothing new, and it's not exclusive to the 350z or RX8. What is the point of this thread anyway? Nobody in their right mind would ever buy a 350Z with an automatic, unless they were missing a leg.
"But I need to commute!"
"My left leg gets tired."
"I need the other hand to text my friends."
Quote from: Laconian on June 20, 2007, 04:53:59 PM
"But I need to commute!"
"My left leg gets tired."
"I need the other hand to text my friends."
:nono:
Quote from: Laconian on June 20, 2007, 04:53:59 PM
"But I need to commute!"
"My left leg gets tired."
"I need the other hand to text my friends."
You rang?
edit: except the texting. I don't even talk on the phone unless I absoltuely have to, and even then I use my bluetooth thing.
Quote from: Laconian on June 20, 2007, 04:42:26 PM
Yoder, why don't you like the HR? My automobile magazine subscriptions have lapsed and so I'm not quite as in the loop as I used to be.
Well to be honest I havent driven one yet but from what I've heard it doesn't sound nearly as good as the DE. I think i've heard the word "thrashy" used to describe it. I've also heard that NVH levels have taken a downturn. It's taller, i think due to a new intake manifold, so it knows requires an ugly hood on the 350Z. It has some decent power increases but I don't think it's worth it. Maybe if I drive one I'll change my mind, though.
Quote from: R-inge on June 20, 2007, 04:09:25 PM
Perhaps Nissan's engineers were seeking to counteract the inherent loss of overall power with an auto by making it torqier to give the driver a feeling of adequate power?? Good question.
I'm not sure why. For 03-04 all 350Z's auto or manual had the 287hp 6600rpm redline. In 05 manual Track and 35th anniversary models got the 300hp 7000rpm redline. For 06 the auto's got the 287hp and manuals got the 300hp.
Quote from: NACar on June 20, 2007, 04:48:07 PM
Automakers have been doing this for years. It's nothing new, and it's not exclusive to the 350z or RX8. What is the point of this thread anyway? Nobody in their right mind would ever buy a 350Z with an automatic, unless they were missing a leg.
I'd say then about 70% of 350Z drivers are not in their right mind.
Quote from: Tave on June 20, 2007, 03:36:51 PM
Because the engines put down different numbers :devil:
Transmissions don't have any effect on engine power.
Quote from: Laconian on June 20, 2007, 04:53:59 PM
"But I need to commute!"
"My left leg gets tired."
"I need the other hand to text my friends."
Ha, I love it when people cite their leg getting tired as a reaosn not to get a manual. Every once in awhile someone over on corvetteforum will use that as the reason they got an auto C6.
If your leg is getting tired in a modern manual transmission car, either you're doing something wrong or you are the most pathetically out of shape individual on the face of the earth.
Quote from: Lebowski on June 21, 2007, 07:56:55 AM
Ha, I love it when people cite their leg getting tired as a reaosn not to get a manual.? Every once in awhile someone over on corvetteforum will use that as the reason they got an auto C6.
If your leg is getting tired in a modern manual transmission car, either you're doing something wrong or you are the most pathetically out of shape individual on the face of the earth.
I've got a bad left knee that turns to jelly after working a clutch in tight spots too long.
I still drive stick.
:lol:
Although, 911 clutches are about as stiff as they were 20 years ago. That is, very.
Quote from: Lebowski on June 21, 2007, 07:56:55 AM
If your leg is getting tired in a modern manual transmission car, either you're doing something wrong or you are the most pathetically out of shape individual on the face of the earth.
:nono: I've got a knee that I blew out in high school that still gives me a lot of trouble. The clutch in my Mustang wasn't very heavy until I had been sitting in traffic that was crawling along at 2 mph and stopping every 10 feet. By the time I got home my knee was so sore, I wouldn't get off the cough for the rest of the night. I can only imagine how bad it would be in bigger cities.
Quote from: Lebowski on June 21, 2007, 07:56:55 AM
Ha, I love it when people cite their leg getting tired as a reaosn not to get a manual.? Every once in awhile someone over on corvetteforum will use that as the reason they got an auto C6.
If your leg is getting tired in a modern manual transmission car, either you're doing something wrong or you are the most pathetically out of shape individual on the face of the earth.
+1
Never once has my leg gotten tired.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=9744.msg484556#msg484556 date=1182421067
I'd say then about 70% of 350Z drivers are not in their right mind.
The majority of 350Z's sold have manuals.
Quote from: HEMI666 on June 21, 2007, 07:36:07 AM
Transmissions don't have any effect on engine power.
They do when they tune the engines differently :huh:
Quote from: HEMI666 on June 21, 2007, 07:36:07 AM
Transmissions don't have any effect on engine power.
Did I say they did? I said the engines in the cars (manual and automatic) put down different numbers. I.E., they're tuned differently.
It was a smartass answer, for sure, but I responded that way because you asked,
Why are they rated differently for the different trannies?,
not
Why did Nissan tune the automatic for less power and more torque?
Quote from: Champ on June 21, 2007, 08:13:25 AM
They do when they tune the engines differently :huh:
No they don't. They don't tune the transmission to give the engine more power.
Quote from: HEMI666 on June 21, 2007, 07:36:07 AM
Transmissions don't have any effect on engine power.
No, but they have a huge impact on what percentage of it makes it to the wheels.
Quote from: Tave on June 21, 2007, 08:17:02 AM
No they don't. They don't tune the transmission to give the engine more power.
Yes, they do. Maybe not mechanically. But like I said, if you are the guy at Nissan - he said: "OK this one will be an auto, let's change the engine up."
Thus, the tranny had a impact on what the engine did. It just happened to be at the design room instead of in the engine bay.
When I said "
they tune the engines differently,"
they referred to the engineers not the transmissions.
Quote from: JYODER240 on June 21, 2007, 08:06:36 AM
The majority of 350Z's sold have manuals.
I really don't believe that.
Quote from: R-inge on June 21, 2007, 09:13:29 AM
No, but they have a huge impact on what percentage of it makes it to the wheels.
Of course, but manufacturer's engine rathings do not reflect whp. If they tune the engine differently for the different tranny, then I can believe that, but the tranny itself has no impact on engine power.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=9744.msg484700#msg484700 date=1182439961
I really don't believe that.
I saw productions numbers on a 350Z forum. I'll try to dig it up.
Quote from: JYODER240 on June 21, 2007, 10:09:47 AM
I saw productions numbers on a 350Z forum. I'll try to dig it up.
Yeah, that would be good. I've seen very few, personally. And I see 500 350Zs a day.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=9744.msg484735#msg484735 date=1182442480
Yeah, that would be good.? I've seen very few, personally.? And I see 500 350Zs a day.
And you can tell at a glance 70% are automatics? :confused:
Quote from: Tave on June 21, 2007, 10:17:33 AM
And you can tell at a glance 70% are automatics? :confused:
No.
I lift up their skirts.
Everyone of them? No wonder you have to work such long hours; you're fucking off more than me.
Quote from: Tave on June 21, 2007, 10:21:21 AM
Everyone of them? No wonder you have to work such long hours; you're fucking off more than me.
:nono:
I do it on my own time. Why do you think I get such little sleep?
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=9744.msg484754#msg484754 date=1182443207
:nono:
I do it on my own time.? Why do you think I get such little sleep?
I just assumed cocaine.
Quote from: Tave on June 21, 2007, 10:34:40 AM
I just assumed cocaine.
How do you think I have the energy to lift all those skirts late at night?
I was too tired to lift a skirt one night (or more correctly: a bikini bottom), and I still kick myself when I think about it two years later.
Quote from: Tave on June 21, 2007, 10:43:01 AM
I was too tired to lift a skirt one night (or more correctly: a bikini bottom), and I still kick myself when I think about it two years later.
You should probably kill yourself. In the future, when you get married, you're always going to be thinking about that one unlifted skirt. Then you'll start getting serial massages until one day your masseusse is out sick and is replaced by a man named Gunther. You'll end up liking it. You'll end up liking it too much. You'll leave your wife and your kids and run away to the Bahamas with Gunther, where he'll then realize that the only way for you to truly be together forever is for the two of you to perish together. Then there will be a grisly murder suicide, just as you realize that you're not gay and your wife decides to take you back.
At least I can console myself with the knowledge that it's all her fault. She shouldn't have called me @ 2:30 in the morning on a Monday to go hot-tubbing 20 miles out of town. I know guys are never too tired for sex, but sometimes you're too tired to work for it.
And Gunther? If I get some hot, steamy, sweaty, ball-slappin man-loving it certainly won't be with a tool named GUNTHER. C'mon, I'm at least Patrick material.
Me neither.......because there is no way manuals out sell auto in USA even in sports cars like 350z. Because vast majority of female customer and older age buyers dont perfer to shift for themselves. Also people living in congested big cities dont particularly like manuals because of constant stop and go traffic and if you count married men whose wife might want to drive their cars then forget about it. As 80% of wifes dont care for manuals and consider them a headache and most families or households in america have automatic cars parked in their garages.
As for me I would love to own a manual sports car. But my wife........now that is another story :(.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=9744.msg484700#msg484700 date=1182439961
I really don't believe that.
Quote from: 1 BAD 7 on June 21, 2007, 11:04:08 PM
As for me I would love to own a manual sports car. But my wife........now that is another story :(.
Maybe it would be easier to swap the wife out for a better model? :ohyeah:
Quote from: 1 BAD 7 on June 21, 2007, 11:04:08 PM
Me neither.......because there is no way manuals out sell auto in USA even in sports cars like 350z. Because vast majority of female customer and older age buyers dont perfer to shift for themselves. Also people living in congested big cities dont particularly like manuals because of constant stop and go traffic and if you count married men whose wife might want to drive their cars then forget about it. As 80% of wifes dont care for manuals and consider them a headache and most families or households in america have automatic cars parked in their garages.
As for me I would love to own a manual sports car. But my wife........now that is another story :(.
Did you know that 42.1% of statistics are made up on the spot too?
:nono:
62.1
I thought it was 64.2?
Quote from: Champ on June 22, 2007, 06:40:50 AM
Maybe it would be easier to swap the wife out for a better model? :ohyeah:
Always an option, only thing that sucks is they'll kill you with the financing
I read some internal stats a while back for the Z concerning percentage of manual cars.
It was around 65% if my memory serves.Most verts are sold with slushboxes.