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Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 20, 2005, 05:37:16 PM
It's hard to believe that it's already winter and disasembly has already begun!

For those of you that don't know, I own a 1976 Datsun 280Z 2+2 with a 1981 280ZX Turbo motor. It has been fitted with a 5 speed manual, 3" exhaust, and a bunch of other little stuff!

I started to remove the differential yesterday to swap in a newer one. It is the same ratio as the old one (3.545:1), but this one is in better shape. My old one has a habit of vibrating under acceleration due to a bad bearing as well as howling in 3rd and 4th due to wear. The howling got even worse after my auto-X. I also plan to replace the halfshaft u-joints and the differential mount to help with the clunking that is so common with first gen Z-cars.

Just a few other things planned this winter:

-Electrical fan install: getting rid of that noisy, power robbing mechanical fan. The clutch is too old and won't disengage when cold and engage when hot. It does the opposite! It's so bad, that when the car starts up, it sounds like an airplane, just about. It drowns out my 3" exhaust, which isn't easy to do!

-Z31 MAF swap: Replace unreliable 280ZXT Bosch L-Jetronic EFI system and ZXT ignition system with a more reliable LH-Jetronic MAF system. This system is more tuneable, will get me more hp, and better MPG! It involves a fair amount of wire splicing, but I think I want to try it.

-Repair rocker panels: I have some rust issues that need to be neutralized with POR-15. Expensive stuff, but it's about the only stuff that stops rust dead in it's tracks.

I'll get pics up soon, but my computer is on the fritz right now and doesn't recognize my camera anymore.
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on November 20, 2005, 05:48:53 PM
:rockon: Alright have fun..man i wish i was you... B) i expect pics soon
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 23, 2005, 02:26:37 PM
Alright here's some pics!

Inside the 3.54 differential. Techies will see that it's an open differential as opposed to a locking one.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/821b485f.jpg)

This doesn't leave me much room for prying those halfshafts out!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/13665ace.jpg)

Another pic of the diff:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/3721067e.jpg)

I did get the halfshafts out with a crowbar...somehow they came out with just a few good tugs! Most people work on these for hours!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/c659a3e9.jpg)

About to drop down! Better wait for my dad to help me. I don't want that beast dropping on my ribcage!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/76e2b2a8.jpg)

I had to pull my 3" exhaust for clearance. Behold it in all it's beauty! It makes the electric drill look small! :rockon:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/8e75e15b.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/79771203.jpg)
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on November 23, 2005, 02:37:33 PM
Sweet sean...let us know how the progress is coming...

:rockon:
Title: Project Z
Post by: TBR on November 23, 2005, 07:09:02 PM
No muffler or cats? That thing must be loud.
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on November 23, 2005, 07:24:16 PM
QuoteNo muffler or cats? That thing must be loud.
NO cats....lucky <_<  
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 23, 2005, 07:43:26 PM
QuoteNo muffler or cats? That thing must be loud.
No cat. It has a muffler. That round thing up front is a glasspack.

It's not quiet, but the turbo and glasspack keep it comfortable.

FOL, cats don't hurt power that much.
Title: Project Z
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on November 23, 2005, 11:30:45 PM
Does the rear end your installing have a LSD, i know we went over the LSD issue before and that you weren't too concerned with getting one.

But i'd imagine as power increase traction will become more of an issue. Also the way i drive i thougth that a base 31 should have come with a LSD.  
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 24, 2005, 08:59:05 AM
LSDs are expensive. I'd like one, but I can't afford one.
Title: Project Z
Post by: TBR on November 24, 2005, 09:44:10 AM
Quote
QuoteNo muffler or cats? That thing must be loud.
No cat. It has a muffler. That round thing up front is a glasspack.

It's not quiet, but the turbo and glasspack keep it comfortable.

FOL, cats don't hurt power that much.
Ah, I see.
Title: Project Z
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on November 24, 2005, 06:19:04 PM
QuoteLSDs are expensive. I'd like one, but I can't afford one.
I thought you could just swap in a stock rear end from the turbo's that already had a LSD.

I don't think it would cost much more than a stock(non LSD) unit from a parts yard.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 25, 2005, 09:51:55 AM
Yes, 87-89 300ZXTs have LSDs, but I haven't seen one in the junkyard. Believe me, I checked around.

Even used LSDs are expensive.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 24, 2006, 07:39:40 PM
The new 3.54 differential is in place. That should cure the howling and vibration.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/d3d4a8e6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/790b826b.jpg)

I'm trying this synthetic gear oil in the diff and trans. Some guys say that it's the best stuff since sliced bread, so I'm going to give it a shot. The transmission oil is supposed to smooth shifts, reduce noise and heat, and help aging synchros.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/34d8c7db.jpg)

Here's my aluminum fuel rail. Once I get the injector o rings, I'll throw it on the car.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/8a006baf.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/42d9e381.jpg)

For comparison purposes, here's the old steel rail:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/afecab5a.jpg)

Here's my 14x6 280ZX rims. I'm working on polishing/touching them up to ready them for new tires. At 13 lbs each, they're extrememly lightweight! I'll be mounting up some 215/60/14 Yokohama Avid S/Ts assuming I can get my hands on some genuine Nissan lugnuts.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/c2062576.jpg)
Here's kind of what the tires will look like:
(http://www.classiczcars.com/photopost/data/500/medium/4652DSCN00771.jpg)
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on February 24, 2006, 07:42:31 PM
:rockon:

its comin together B)

how much more work you gonna do on it before spring
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 24, 2006, 07:57:45 PM
I still have to drop the trans, replace the leaky seals in it, replace trans crossmember bushings with urethane, refill with Redline synthetic etc.

I'm hoping to work on that tommrow.

Then the fuel system goes back together, the driveshaft goes back on, and hopefully I'll fire it up again just to hear that grunty I6 with no exhaust. :devil:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: Run Away on February 24, 2006, 10:18:43 PM
Looks good Sean. Hopefully that all cures it, a smooth shifting tranny makes such a difference in how enjoyable it is to drive.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 24, 2006, 10:39:18 PM
QuoteLooks good Sean. Hopefully that all cures it, a smooth shifting tranny makes such a difference in how enjoyable it is to drive.
The tranny is okay, the diff was the main problem. A bit hesitant to engage 2nd, but it's not a clunky, temperamental bitch like my dad's Dakota.

I just hope I don't tear the new diff isolator with hole shots! :D  
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raza on February 25, 2006, 11:06:45 AM
QuoteLSDs are expensive. I'd like one, but I can't afford one.
It is something to look into in the future.  The last thing you want is to lose power from spinning your inside wheel around a corner.  That's one of the biggest reasons I'm not getting a 3 series any time soon.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on February 26, 2006, 03:28:19 PM
I think people make too big a deal of LSDs...
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on February 26, 2006, 05:55:42 PM
QuoteI think people make too big a deal of LSDs...
:blink: How so?
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 26, 2006, 05:58:01 PM
Wheelspin isn't an issue for me. Maybe if I had more boost it would be.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raza on February 26, 2006, 06:37:25 PM
QuoteWheelspin isn't an issue for me. Maybe if I had more boost it would be.
How much power is the car making?  I know it's an issue for me.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on February 27, 2006, 02:31:00 PM
For most people, wheelspin isn't a very big issue. ;)
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 25, 2006, 03:45:05 PM
Here's an update:

I pulled out the trans to change the front and rear seals as well as the front cover plate gasket:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/67b4386a.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/cfd8dc1e.jpg)

I prepared the fuel rail, cleaned the injectors, and put it on the car. I could see that the injector tips and screens were A LOT cleaner after I soaked them in a 50-50 mix of seafoam and gas.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/07843fa0.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/ba5be967.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/d26e2484.jpg)

I got a 16" 2010 cfm to replace my nearly frozen fan clutch. It didn't fit so I took off the A/C system. Who needs that piece of crap anyway? ;) Notice the thick layer of filth on the evaporator. No wonder my blower never moved much air!

I'll also have to remove a couple of useless pulleys on the crank damper for clearance.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/84e697e8.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/c24fbea6.jpg)

I went insane and decided to extract the evaporater from the dash. Oh why God... why did you let me do this?!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/8abb9c70.jpg)

This allowed me to clean out the gross HVAC system. I have new ducts for the vents on order.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/bb2c5b43.jpg)

I never knew that the squirrel cage was clear plastic! I always thought it was galvinized steel until I cleaned off the filth!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/0014861e.jpg)

With the 1st Z meet drawing ever nearer, I think I'm moving backward, rather than forward! Oh well. I'm still having fun.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on March 27, 2006, 03:48:23 AM
Nice. Super nice.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raza on March 27, 2006, 01:13:15 PM
That carpet looks very soft.  Is it soft?  It looks soft.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 14, 2006, 03:20:35 PM
:D

That carpet is so old! It feels nice, but the color is retro. At least it's not Avacado!
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 16, 2006, 07:20:44 PM
Some more progress.

Maybe replacing these injector plugs was a good idea after all. I tested it and got about 4 ohms of resistance through this connector.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/0cb9bf5e.jpg)

I ordered some 2" ducting from a company that sells aircraft products. I used to replace the deteriorated ducts in the dash. It works good and it's durable stuff!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/64c32d14.jpg)

The fuel system is back together and all hooked up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/7a35f918.jpg)

The dash is back in!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/8b5f8fcf.jpg)

The distributor is back in too. I still need to get the electric fan in, but I can't do that until later.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/f84bf8af.jpg)
Title: Project Z
Post by: Catman on April 16, 2006, 07:48:41 PM
Wow, good progress.  The interior looks decent.
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on April 16, 2006, 08:00:58 PM
Interior is lookin great,

looks like you'll be ready for a nice cruise pretty soon..perhapes an autocross or two.. B)
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 16, 2006, 08:15:03 PM
QuoteWow, good progress.  The interior looks decent.
Well, the front speakers in the center console are in the Ranger, the back seat is trash, and the doors were cut by a PO for 4x10 speakers, but it does look better!
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 24, 2006, 09:19:28 PM
Some unforeseen consequences today. My homemade differential flange tool snapped in half (it was a thick pipe too!), my antifreeze hose started leaking, I couldn't find any hose clamps (had to steal some from the Corvette), and I need a vacuum fittting cap. Other than that, I could fire it up right now, just not drive it.

I've already started looking for a new differential. I honestly don't expect this one to work, but I hope it does.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 24, 2006, 09:21:52 PM
Limited slip diff?
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 24, 2006, 09:26:04 PM
Hell no! I wish though!

Those things cost an arm and leg! I just saw one go for around $600 (it was either $550 or $650).

They were only installed on 1987-1989 300ZX Turbos.

An open diff is still good enough for my intents and purposes.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 24, 2006, 09:27:14 PM
QuoteHell no! I wish though!

Those things cost an arm and leg! I just saw one go for around $600 (it was either $550 or $650).

They were only installed on 1987-1989 300ZX Turbos.

An open diff is still good enough for my intents and purposes.
how much does an open diff cost?
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 24, 2006, 09:33:52 PM
Quote
QuoteHell no! I wish though!

Those things cost an arm and leg! I just saw one go for around $600 (it was either $550 or $650).

They were only installed on 1987-1989 300ZX Turbos.

An open diff is still good enough for my intents and purposes.
how much does an open diff cost?
This was free. It's from an '84 300ZX Turbo. The flange was wrong for my '76 driveshaft so I had to swap it. This sounds easy enough, but you have to consider drivetrain balance and more importantly, pinion bearing preload (139-159 ft/lbs).
Title: Project Z
Post by: omicron on April 24, 2006, 11:38:45 PM
I can't wait to see the finished car. :)
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 25, 2006, 01:56:07 PM
Finished? :blink:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 26, 2006, 06:35:42 PM
Wasn't it always finished?
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 26, 2006, 08:57:52 PM
Let me explain something to you guys about the Z car:

IT IS NEVER FINISHED!

I don't care how shiny your paint is, what's under the hood, our how plush the interior is, there's always room for improvement! The only people who get "done" are those who keep it all original.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 26, 2006, 09:20:19 PM
QuoteLet me explain something to you guys about the Z car:

IT IS NEVER FINISHED!

I don't care how shiny your paint is, what's under the hood, our how plush the interior is, there's always room for improvement! The only people who get "done" are those who keep it all original.
:praise:
So... when you have lots of money... will you stick a v8 under the hood? :praise:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 26, 2006, 09:39:18 PM
Probably not in this one. I have nothing against V8 Zs, but I like the sound, simplicity, and originality of the Nissan L28.

People have dropped in small block Chevy V8s, big block Chevy V8s, small block Chryslers, LS1s, LS2s, SR20s, the diesel version of the L28, VG30s, RB25s, Inifniti V8s, electric motors, Ford 302s, Ford 351s, Cadillac 500 ci V8s...I could go on and on.

The beauty of a Z is that it can swallow just about any engine ever put into a car.
Title: Project Z
Post by: omicron on April 27, 2006, 10:59:37 AM
NO V8 :nono:
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raza on April 27, 2006, 04:00:13 PM
QuoteProbably not in this one. I have nothing against V8 Zs, but I like the sound, simplicity, and originality of the Nissan L28.

People have dropped in small block Chevy V8s, big block Chevy V8s, small block Chryslers, LS1s, LS2s, SR20s, the diesel version of the L28, VG30s, RB25s, Inifniti V8s, electric motors, Ford 302s, Ford 351s, Cadillac 500 ci V8s...I could go on and on.

The beauty of a Z is that it can swallow just about any engine ever put into a car.
I wonder what a Mercedes V12 with twin turbochargers would do...
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 27, 2006, 04:06:56 PM
Quote
QuoteProbably not in this one. I have nothing against V8 Zs, but I like the sound, simplicity, and originality of the Nissan L28.

People have dropped in small block Chevy V8s, big block Chevy V8s, small block Chryslers, LS1s, LS2s, SR20s, the diesel version of the L28, VG30s, RB25s, Inifniti V8s, electric motors, Ford 302s, Ford 351s, Cadillac 500 ci V8s...I could go on and on.

The beauty of a Z is that it can swallow just about any engine ever put into a car.
I wonder what a Mercedes V12 with twin turbochargers would do...
flex the chassisl with all that torque and make it undriveable.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 27, 2006, 05:42:33 PM
I have 3 words for you guys:

Catastrophic turbo failure!

Oil started pouring out the exhaust and wastegate arm. An unbelieveable amount of smoke came out. It ran like it was cammed. I am out of $125 for a turbo rebuild.

I believe it happened because the seals were already iffy, and when they sit for several cold, dry months and you fire it up again, problems are bound to happen.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raza on April 27, 2006, 06:15:42 PM
Easy come, easy go.

I'm sorry man.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 27, 2006, 06:17:25 PM
I've been meaning to rebuild that thing anyway. I'm just glad that its the turbo dumping oil and not the motor.

On top of that BS, I unknowinly lowered the front valance onto the jack stand and dented it up. I can probably pound it out, but still... :banghead:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on April 27, 2006, 07:38:31 PM
QuoteI have 3 words for you guys:

Catastrophic turbo failure!

Oil started pouring out the exhaust and wastegate arm. An unbelieveable amount of smoke came out. It ran like it was cammed. I am out of $125 for a turbo rebuild.

I believe it happened because the seals were already iffy, and when they sit for several cold, dry months and you fire it up again, problems are bound to happen.
That post needs this smilie (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/runaway.gif)


Sorry to hear that man...Perhapes a bigger turbo is on the way ;)
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 27, 2006, 07:44:44 PM
Quote
QuoteI have 3 words for you guys:

Catastrophic turbo failure!

Oil started pouring out the exhaust and wastegate arm. An unbelieveable amount of smoke came out. It ran like it was cammed. I am out of $125 for a turbo rebuild.

I believe it happened because the seals were already iffy, and when they sit for several cold, dry months and you fire it up again, problems are bound to happen.
That post needs this smilie (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/runaway.gif)


Sorry to hear that man...Perhapes a bigger turbo is on the way ;)
Twin turbo?
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on April 27, 2006, 07:48:24 PM
Quote
Quote
QuoteI have 3 words for you guys:

Catastrophic turbo failure!

Oil started pouring out the exhaust and wastegate arm. An unbelieveable amount of smoke came out. It ran like it was cammed. I am out of $125 for a turbo rebuild.

I believe it happened because the seals were already iffy, and when they sit for several cold, dry months and you fire it up again, problems are bound to happen.
That post needs this smilie (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/runaway.gif)


Sorry to hear that man...Perhapes a bigger turbo is on the way ;)
Twin turbo?
i dont see twin anywhere in my post...and that would be alot more work for him to do..not only does he have to buy two turbos, but all the piping to connect the second one  ;)  
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 27, 2006, 07:51:53 PM
Quote
Quote
Quote
QuoteI have 3 words for you guys:

Catastrophic turbo failure!

Oil started pouring out the exhaust and wastegate arm. An unbelieveable amount of smoke came out. It ran like it was cammed. I am out of $125 for a turbo rebuild.

I believe it happened because the seals were already iffy, and when they sit for several cold, dry months and you fire it up again, problems are bound to happen.
That post needs this smilie (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/runaway.gif)


Sorry to hear that man...Perhapes a bigger turbo is on the way ;)
Twin turbo?
i dont see twin anywhere in my post...and that would be alot more work for him to do..not only does he have to buy two turbos, but all the piping to connect the second one  ;)
I know, i'm just saying.... why not go all out? :praise:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 27, 2006, 08:17:37 PM
Quote
Quote
Quote
Quote
QuoteI have 3 words for you guys:

Catastrophic turbo failure!

Oil started pouring out the exhaust and wastegate arm. An unbelieveable amount of smoke came out. It ran like it was cammed. I am out of $125 for a turbo rebuild.

I believe it happened because the seals were already iffy, and when they sit for several cold, dry months and you fire it up again, problems are bound to happen.
That post needs this smilie (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a255/footoflead/Smilies/runaway.gif)


Sorry to hear that man...Perhapes a bigger turbo is on the way ;)
Twin turbo?
i dont see twin anywhere in my post...and that would be alot more work for him to do..not only does he have to buy two turbos, but all the piping to connect the second one  ;)
I know, i'm just saying.... why not go all out? :praise:
Sorry, but you're both being dumb. :P

A bigger turbo is not necessary at 7 psi of boost and would actually hinder performance by making the motor fight against the added air resistance of a larger turbine. Not to mention the cost of a brand new well made turbocharger is way beyond what I can afford.

The logistics of twin turbos is just crazy. I would need to known a lot more about turbos to be able to do that. Not to mention the fact that I would need to have another flange on the exhaust manifold.

Turning up the boost is out of the question as I would need an intercooler, intercooler piping, a boost controller, larger clutch, and bigger injectors...perhaps even a new fuel pump. I don't have that kind of money to piss away.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 27, 2006, 08:21:50 PM
Or you could just put in a high revving S2000 engine and call it a day... :)
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on April 27, 2006, 09:27:31 PM
QuoteOr you could just put in a high revving S2000 engine and call it a day... :)
Or go for some real power with a 350 crate swap ;)

Title: Project Z
Post by: sparkplug on April 27, 2006, 09:30:20 PM
Quote
QuoteOr you could just put in a high revving S2000 engine and call it a day... :)
Or go for some real power with a 350 crate swap ;)
Nah. Just put a 5hp Briggs and Stratton. That should have more hp than your old engine.

If that isn't enough, well then just get stuff Viper engine in their.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 29, 2006, 12:09:25 PM
Quote
QuoteOr you could just put in a high revving S2000 engine and call it a day... :)
Or go for some real power with a 350 crate swap ;)
:nono:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on April 29, 2006, 03:07:30 PM
Quote
Quote
QuoteOr you could just put in a high revving S2000 engine and call it a day... :)
Or go for some real power with a 350 crate swap ;)
:nono:
Its been done and fits easily from what i hear ;)

Dont  :nono: me bitch :devil:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 29, 2006, 03:36:34 PM
Quote
Quote
Quote
QuoteOr you could just put in a high revving S2000 engine and call it a day... :)
Or go for some real power with a 350 crate swap ;)
:nono:
Its been done and fits easily from what i hear ;)

Dont  :nono: me bitch :devil:
:nono:  :nono:  :nono:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 30, 2006, 11:02:33 AM
Here's some pics from Lansing yesterday. Notice the V8 240Z.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/Chewievettezx/wmzclub/100_7383.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/Chewievettezx/wmzclub/100_7375.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/Chewievettezx/wmzclub/100_7394.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/Chewievettezx/wmzclub/100_7389.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/Chewievettezx/wmzclub/100_7386.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/Chewievettezx/wmzclub/100_7385.jpg)

And the Z31 Turbo I got to ride in from GR to Lansing: :rockon:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/Chewievettezx/wmzclub/100_7384.jpg)

We had about 12-13 cars and when we all cruised past the Michigan Capitol building there was an angry protest and it was, of all groups, the UAW. Just as we rolled up in front of the capitol some guy was shouting "...and we're losing our jobs to the Japaneese!" :P  
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on April 30, 2006, 11:05:38 AM
Woah, lots of those cars are nice! Maybe i should get a Z...
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 01, 2006, 09:29:46 PM
A few more pics put up today. There's some on the previous page if you haven't seen them yet.

Notice the lonely Danger Ranger on the right. ;)
(http://www.theenvyleague.com/zpics/100_0185.jpg)

We weren't behind very much, actually!
(http://www.theenvyleague.com/zpics/100_0187.jpg)

1974 1/2 260Z:
(http://www.theenvyleague.com/zpics/100_0195.jpg)

Turbocharged VG30:
(http://www.theenvyleague.com/zpics/100_0197.jpg)

At a sports bar in Lansing:
(http://www.theenvyleague.com/zpics/100_0200.jpg)
Title: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on May 01, 2006, 09:34:28 PM
Z34's are so beautiful, Raza should get a twin-turbo :rockon:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 01, 2006, 09:39:31 PM
QuoteZ34's are so beautiful, Raza should get a twin-turbo :rockon:
The Z34 hasn't come out yet.

Z32s are a bitch to work on and expensive to own. I think I prefer the styling of the Z31, however.
Title: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on May 01, 2006, 09:46:40 PM
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QuoteZ34's are so beautiful, Raza should get a twin-turbo :rockon:
The Z34 hasn't come out yet.

Z32s are a bitch to work on and expensive to own. I think I prefer the styling of the Z31, however.
Typo, my bad. What do you have? If I get a 350Z we can start the official CarSPIN Z-car club B)  
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on May 01, 2006, 09:56:00 PM
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QuoteZ34's are so beautiful, Raza should get a twin-turbo :rockon:
The Z34 hasn't come out yet.

Z32s are a bitch to work on and expensive to own. I think I prefer the styling of the Z31, however.
Typo, my bad. What do you have? If I get a 350Z we can start the official CarSPIN Z-car club B)
I already have a Nismo 350Z. B)  
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 01, 2006, 09:56:15 PM
I have a 1976 280Z 2+2 with a 1981 280ZX Turbo motor swapped in.
Title: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on May 01, 2006, 10:08:15 PM
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QuoteZ34's are so beautiful, Raza should get a twin-turbo :rockon:
The Z34 hasn't come out yet.

Z32s are a bitch to work on and expensive to own. I think I prefer the styling of the Z31, however.
Typo, my bad. What do you have? If I get a 350Z we can start the official CarSPIN Z-car club B)
I already have a Nismo 350Z. B)
Video games dont count.

Why did you go with the engine swap, more power?
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on May 01, 2006, 10:13:31 PM
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QuoteZ34's are so beautiful, Raza should get a twin-turbo :rockon:
The Z34 hasn't come out yet.

Z32s are a bitch to work on and expensive to own. I think I prefer the styling of the Z31, however.
Typo, my bad. What do you have? If I get a 350Z we can start the official CarSPIN Z-car club B)
I already have a Nismo 350Z. B)
Video games dont count.

Why did you go with the engine swap, more power?
Not in a video game. :rolleyes:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 01, 2006, 10:14:20 PM
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QuoteZ34's are so beautiful, Raza should get a twin-turbo :rockon:
The Z34 hasn't come out yet.

Z32s are a bitch to work on and expensive to own. I think I prefer the styling of the Z31, however.
Typo, my bad. What do you have? If I get a 350Z we can start the official CarSPIN Z-car club B)
I already have a Nismo 350Z. B)
Video games dont count.

Why did you go with the engine swap, more power?
Der?! :P

N/A setups are generally ineffective, IMO. Turbos are the cheapest, most reliable way to extract power from an L series. Some people will just slap a turbo on the motor, but my motor was designed to be turbocharged by Nissan.
Title: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on May 01, 2006, 10:20:18 PM
How much power are you putting down? I don't think I'm going to do any major engine mods if I get a Z.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on May 01, 2006, 10:21:12 PM
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QuoteZ34's are so beautiful, Raza should get a twin-turbo :rockon:
The Z34 hasn't come out yet.

Z32s are a bitch to work on and expensive to own. I think I prefer the styling of the Z31, however.
Typo, my bad. What do you have? If I get a 350Z we can start the official CarSPIN Z-car club B)
I already have a Nismo 350Z. B)
Video games dont count.

Why did you go with the engine swap, more power?
Not in a video game. :rolleyes:
Model cars don't count either.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on May 01, 2006, 10:21:36 PM
QuoteHow much power are you putting down? I don't think I'm going to do any major engine mods if I get a Z.
180 hp.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on May 01, 2006, 10:21:58 PM
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QuoteZ34's are so beautiful, Raza should get a twin-turbo :rockon:
The Z34 hasn't come out yet.

Z32s are a bitch to work on and expensive to own. I think I prefer the styling of the Z31, however.
Typo, my bad. What do you have? If I get a 350Z we can start the official CarSPIN Z-car club B)
I already have a Nismo 350Z. B)
Video games dont count.

Why did you go with the engine swap, more power?
Not in a video game. :rolleyes:
Model cars don't count either.
:angry:  :banghead:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 01, 2006, 10:27:45 PM
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QuoteHow much power are you putting down? I don't think I'm going to do any major engine mods if I get a Z.
180 hp.
That was from the factory back in 1981. With a restrictive exhaust and engine driven fan/accesories, but also on a brand new perfectly running engine.

It's difficult to say how much power it will have. I'm not going to do any ricer math and add 100 hp for my CAI and full 3" exhaust.
Title: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on May 01, 2006, 10:32:05 PM
So 190 on the conservative side.

I plan on doing some Z-car day get-togethers so maybe we'll meet up sometime.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 01, 2006, 11:08:34 PM
QuoteSo 190 on the conservative side.

I plan on doing some Z-car day get-togethers so maybe we'll meet up sometime.
Don't know. I'll put it on the butt dyno on Saturday probably.

Where do you live? I'm in West Michigan.
Title: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on May 01, 2006, 11:10:12 PM
NE Ohio, not close but not too far off.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raza on May 02, 2006, 10:03:44 AM
I've got a 1:18 scale Nismo Z myself.  

Are G35s allowed to join the club?
Title: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on May 02, 2006, 10:58:47 AM
QuoteI've got a 1:18 scale Nismo Z myself.  

Are G35s allowed to join the club?
We'll let the G35 slide ;) , or you can get a 300ZX TT.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 07, 2006, 10:34:04 AM
Looks like I'll be getting this 300ZX water-cooled center section for my 280Z. I already have 2 sets of housings, so why spend $130 on something I don't need?!

(http://www.turbocity.com/images/210-210.jpg)

At $350, this is a bargain compared to what Diesel Injection wanted to charge me.

BTW, water cooling prevents oil from cooking in the turbo which means I won't have to sit in the car so long waiting for the turbo to cool.
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on May 07, 2006, 12:23:48 PM
Sweet B)
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 08, 2006, 02:56:04 PM
Actually, looks like I'll be having the center section rebuilt. I talked to a friend and he couldn't believe what Diesel Injection Inc. wanted for a rebuild. He recommended a place in Arizona who would do it for $100-$200.

Here's a mock-up of my BOV setup. I realized last night that I already had everything for a BOV. That aluminum pipe and BOV are from the 'ol 9000 Turbo. See! It was good for something! I just need to splice it into the stock J-pipe and get some couplers.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/280Z001.jpg)
I cleaned up my T3 compressor housing...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/280Z003.jpg)
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 02, 2006, 02:40:14 PM
Look at what what showed up at my door today!

First the FedEx guy brought me this brand spanking new turbo oil supply line:
(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/280Z_005.jpg)

Then the UPS guy showed up later and brought this:
(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/280Z_007.jpg)
(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/280Z_010.jpg)
(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/280Z_013.jpg)

I HIGHLY recommend Arizona Turbo & Tractor Supply to anyone considering a turbo rebuild. They were a lot cheaper than a local turbo place and Joel was a pleasure to do business with. I can't believe they turned that oily, rusty piece of junk into this work of art!
Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on June 02, 2006, 02:54:55 PM
:o

Wow

How much longer do you think it will take to get your turbo in?
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 02, 2006, 03:11:28 PM
That depends on the other stuff. I have to change oil, wire the electric fan, and misc. things like that.
Title: Project Z
Post by: giant_mtb on June 02, 2006, 03:13:29 PM
Looks brand-spankin' new.  :rockon:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on June 02, 2006, 06:25:24 PM
Nice!
GET IT IN SOON.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 12, 2006, 03:17:56 PM
This is going in the garbage:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1249.jpg)

:rockon:

I'll soon be sporting a reliable, better flowing, smarter engine managment system from an '84 300ZX Turbo.
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 24, 2006, 12:19:11 PM
Look at who just turned the big "3-0".

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1260.jpg)

:P



Title: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on June 24, 2006, 07:40:40 PM
Hey...its a classic ;)
Title: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on June 24, 2006, 11:21:20 PM
Yay! Most cars don't get through 3  decades. :D
Title: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on July 15, 2006, 02:12:44 PM
Very nice project you've got going there man; I really like the older Z-cars and you got the cream of the crop, IMHO.  Keep us updated. :rockon:  
Title: Project Z
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 17, 2006, 08:48:37 PM
QuoteProbably not in this one. I have nothing against V8 Zs, but I like the sound, simplicity, and originality of the Nissan L28.

People have dropped in small block Chevy V8s, big block Chevy V8s, small block Chryslers, LS1s, LS2s, SR20s, the diesel version of the L28, VG30s, RB25s, Inifniti V8s, electric motors, Ford 302s, Ford 351s, Cadillac 500 ci V8s...I could go on and on.

The beauty of a Z is that it can swallow just about any engine ever put into a car.
LOL
There's a guy getting ready to put a SHO motor into a 280Z.
He'll also need some major tranny mods, since the SHO was a fwd, but supposedly the tranny of some Aerostars will work..

I love the Z and think he's crazy, but it will still look pretty cool.
If you've never seen the hood up on a SHO, the pics don't do it justice-

Linky (http://www.shotimes.com/php-bin/modules.php?op=modload&name=My_eGallery&file=index&do=showpic&pid=104&orderby=titleA)
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 19, 2006, 04:03:28 PM
I'm sure he isn't getting his money's worth, but it's still pretty neat!

Dropping in a Chevy V8 or dropping in a 280ZX Turbo engine are the cheapest ways to go fast in a Z.
Title: Project Z
Post by: Run Away on July 19, 2006, 04:14:15 PM
How about a BMW V12?

http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11869 (http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11869)
Title: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on August 14, 2006, 09:09:47 PM
If you guys are interested in my latest project, here it is:

http://www.wmzclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13 (http://www.wmzclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13)

1984 300ZX Turbo engine management system.

The Bosch LH-Jetronic based 300ZX EFI and ignition system was a HUGE leap forward technologically over the L-Jetronic based 280ZX Turbo. Both systems were built by JECS for Nissan back in the 80's.

The 280ZX Turbo featured a restrictive air flow meter and a really unreliable fuel injection computer. My engine was the first year for the new system and was the most buggy.

Next up is Tokico HP struts and matching lowering springs as well as bigger 15" 280ZX Turbo wheels shod with 205/60/15 BF Goodrich G-Force Sport Ultra-high performance summer tires.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 08, 2006, 09:44:20 PM
Here's some pics of my car in Autocross trim. :P Notice that it has been lowered and it now has wheels from a 1981 280ZX Turbo in the back. I bought BF Goodrich G-Force sport tires for the back too. I didn't do well at all at the autocross, but it was still fun.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/1.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: SaltyDog on September 08, 2006, 11:45:31 PM
Looks good lowered.  Actually, the whole car looks good.  Is that original paint?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 08, 2006, 11:53:47 PM
Nope. It's just a little bit darker than stock, but the factory paint is still underneeth this crap.

The paint is really in bad shape, overall. It needs new paint ASAP.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: SaltyDog on September 08, 2006, 11:56:28 PM
I posted this in the Chat and maybe you saw it but it seems like a good way of getting a near-pro paint job for $50.  It's a long read though.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2331682&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 09, 2006, 12:00:34 AM
I'm familiar with the Rust-oleum cheap-bastard paint job.

It takes a long time from what I hear.

That kind of enamel paint isn't good for auto body applications.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: SaltyDog on September 09, 2006, 12:13:58 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on September 09, 2006, 12:00:34 AM
I'm familiar with the Rust-oleum cheap-bastard paint job.

It takes a long time from what I hear.

That kind of enamel paint isn't good for auto body applications.


It's just a few coats of paint after the body is prepped.  The Rustoleum paint is fine, and there's no need for a primer.  The alternative is forking over thousands.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 09, 2006, 12:16:58 AM
Not if you do the prep work yourself. If you do that then you can just have Maaco shoot it for a few hundred bucks.

The rustoleum paint is not meant to be exposed to sun and never really dries. It will always have that tacky feel. Plus, the shine isn't as good and you're pretty limited on colors.

People who have done the rustoleum paint job say it's a lot of wet sanding.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: SaltyDog on September 09, 2006, 12:28:21 AM
Wetsanding, polish, then wax and you have a nice finish.  Personally I'm not picky about colors and I don't think I'd put my car in Maaco's hands.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 09, 2006, 01:17:01 AM
Maaco is actually good at spraying...they just do shitty prepwork, which I would do myself.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: giant_mtb on September 09, 2006, 10:43:40 AM
Quote from: SaltyDog on September 08, 2006, 11:56:28 PM
I posted this in the Chat and maybe you saw it but it seems like a good way of getting a near-pro paint job for $50.  It's a long read though.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2331682&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

That's pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 01, 2006, 12:08:11 AM
Update:

I'm working on installing an intercooler right now.

I originally wanted to use an intercooler from a Mitsubishi Evo VIII, but now it looks like the best option is an intercooler from a Mk IV Toyota Supra because it's so compact.

I also got a boost controller which will allow me to turn up the boost from a meager 7 psi to probably...15 or so. My clutch is also going to have to be upgraded as it ain't gonna put up with the power I'm going to be putting down!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on October 01, 2006, 07:48:22 AM
Sweet!

So if somebody else were looking into a 280Z or 280ZX what would you recommend as far as things to look for and things to look out for/avoid?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 01, 2006, 09:49:20 AM
Quote from: R-inge on October 01, 2006, 07:48:22 AM
Sweet!

So if somebody else were looking into a 280Z or 280ZX what would you recommend as far as things to look for and things to look out for/avoid?

Just to be clear, the 280Z and 280ZX are two completely different cars. The chasis of the 280ZX is closer to the 300ZX than the 240/260/280Z, although the drivetrains are about the same.

Just watch out for rust. That's it. In my findings, "rust-free" cars usually have some rust in the battery tray area, rocker panels, by the gas door, on the floor pans, on the frame rails, etc. I know because I have a "rust-free" California car. ;)

The engines are quite robust and parts are cheap and plentiful. They're also easy to work on and parts from other Nissans fit on like legos.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on October 01, 2006, 10:00:13 AM
Good deal, thanks man.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: L. ed foote on October 02, 2006, 08:28:50 AM
Quote from: Run Away on July 19, 2006, 04:14:15 PM
How about a BMW V12?

http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11869 (http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11869)

or 2k for a turbo setup?

http://classifieds.hybridz.org/showproduct.php?product=3109
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raza on October 05, 2006, 02:58:33 PM
Are you thinking about a different color?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 05, 2006, 11:09:06 PM
Yeah. Next year I want to shoot it with this:

(http://images.carsdirect.com/autonation/MJN1AZ34D14T150618.jpg)

I want to keep it fairly close to stock so that it doesn't look silly when I pop the hood.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raza on October 06, 2006, 11:23:54 AM
I think a deep, dark blue would be nice.  The burnt orange Nissan color never really did it for me.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 06, 2006, 04:29:49 PM
I like that 350Z metallic orange. It's closer to the original color than the color it is right now.

Dark blue would look really silly with an orange engine bay and I don't think I want to remove the motor, transmission, the wires, brake lines, radiator, etc. for new paint.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 06, 2006, 10:25:01 PM
Just got my Evo intercooler home. Check out my test fitting:

(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/DSCN1399.JPG)
(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/DSCN1389.JPG)
70's crash bumper removed for easy access. 8)

(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/DSCN1387.JPG)
That pipe seems to be at a bad angle for me. I may have no choice but to cut, modify and reweld the end tanks.

(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/DSCN1388.JPG)
The return pipe to the throttle body is coming from the passenger side.

(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/DSCN1390.JPG)
Passenger side hole.

(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/DSCN1392.JPG)
Kind of a tight space...not sure about brackets yet.

(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/DSCN1394.JPG)
My new air cleaner position. It's a lot lower than before and I'll have to wrap the 3" pipe around the frame rail and up to the turbo.

I think I may run the oil cooler on the opposite side, but the oil cooler hoses are stiff as hell and I have no way to mount anything. I may go with a custom one, but I can't find a nice small one like the stock 280ZX one.

(http://www.redz31.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10010/DSCN1398.JPG)
The Evo I/C itself.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 06, 2006, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: Run Away on July 19, 2006, 04:14:15 PM
How about a BMW V12?

http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11869 (http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11869)

Wow, I wonder how much a BMW V12 crate motor costs nowadays?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raza on October 07, 2006, 06:08:43 PM
10 dollars.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 07, 2006, 06:10:34 PM
BMW motors require a dry sump oiling system, because the sumps don't clear the front crossmember.

It's complicated and expensive to do, but it can be done.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 07, 2006, 06:23:21 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 07, 2006, 06:10:34 PM
BMW motors require a dry sump oiling system, because the sumps don't clear the front crossmember.

It's complicated and expensive to do, but it can be done.

Complicated and expensive... I seem to run into that same problem quite often.

Quote from: Raza on October 07, 2006, 06:08:43 PM
10 dollars.
Wow, less than $1 a cylinder; but then you have to install that complicated and expensive dry sump system, that will probably run you about $10,000.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raza on October 07, 2006, 06:28:28 PM
Quote from: NACar on October 07, 2006, 06:23:21 PM
Complicated and expensive... I seem to run into that same problem quite often.
Wow, less than $1 a cylinder; but then you have to install that complicated and expensive dry sump system, that will probably run you about $10,000.

That's how they get you.  It's always the batteries. 
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 07, 2006, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: SaltyDog on September 08, 2006, 11:56:28 PM
I posted this in the Chat and maybe you saw it but it seems like a good way of getting a near-pro paint job for $50. It's a long read though.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2331682&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

I think I might just end up doing this. Possibly in the spring.

I like the idea of running out to Lowe's and getting 12 oz. cans of touch-up paint for $5.

I'm getting real tired of not having paint for this car. I need to do something.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 12, 2006, 06:07:36 PM
A friend of mine just posted these up.

This was on Labor day. That's me in the brown 280Z, a guy from the Z club in the 350Z and my friend who posted the pics is in the 240Z.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/sean5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/sean4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/sean3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/sean6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/sean2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/sean1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/roger1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/aaron7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/aaron6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/aaron4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/aaron5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/aaron3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/aaron2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/aaron1.jpg)

And in case you were wondering, this is the inspiration for the 240Z:
(http://www.2000gt.net/Datsun/240ZBRE.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on November 12, 2006, 09:31:26 PM
Nice pics. It looks like that is a base 350Z so it doesn't have an LSD :(
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 12, 2006, 09:35:16 PM
Hehehe...

You guys and your LSDs. The car is still drivable, you know.

LSDs are good, but I think some people obsess over them.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on November 12, 2006, 10:02:46 PM
Of course ;) but if i was autocrossing i'd definently opt for the enthusiast trim that has one or get the Nismo LSD.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: J86 on November 12, 2006, 10:15:32 PM
Sweet pics.

Good luck with the paint choice btw.  The orange (new one) would be cool because it would be sticking with heritage, but at the same time painting the same color as the vette would be pretty badass.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 12, 2006, 10:57:01 PM
Quote from: JYoDeR240 on November 12, 2006, 10:02:46 PM
Of course ;) but if i was autocrossing i'd definently opt for the enthusiast trim that has one or get the Nismo LSD.

I don't know what trim his car is. I know he got the manumatic gearbox.

The Z in your new sig looks nice.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on November 12, 2006, 11:00:29 PM
Thats a shame, i wish it was offered manual only like the S2000.

Thanks but it should only be temporary. I went to a 350Z meet today and a lot of pics were taken if there are any good ones i'll use one for my sig.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 13, 2006, 06:40:59 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 12, 2006, 06:07:36 PM
A friend of mine just posted these up.

This was on Labor day. That's me in the brown 280Z, a guy from the Z club in the 350Z and my friend who posted the pics is in the 240Z.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/sean4.jpg)
Your car is my childhood dream.? If you want to paint it then sell it (Dirt cheap) let me know.? :ohyeah:
I don't even care that the wheels don't match.  :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2006, 10:16:46 AM
You have a lot of hair. 

Also, seeing pictures of the Z33 makes me think I need to give it another chance.  How can something so pretty be so shallow?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: The Pirate on November 13, 2006, 10:40:06 AM
Cool stuff man, I almost bought a '72 240Z a year back, but it burned a lot of oil, had a moderate amount of rust and the guy was firm on a price that was a bit optimistic.  Reading this makes me want to take another look though.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 93JC on November 13, 2006, 11:03:58 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 12, 2006, 06:07:36 PM(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/zul8er/sean2.jpg)

Cut your damned hair, hippie!


:lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on November 13, 2006, 11:10:45 AM
Quote from: Raza on November 13, 2006, 10:16:46 AM
You have a lot of hair.?

Also, seeing pictures of the Z33 makes me think I need to give it another chance.? How can something so pretty be so shallow?

They really do grow on you. I love my car more the more i drive it. The problem is the 06's are softened up. The suspension is a little softer, rides a little higher, lighter more vague clutch, more sound deadening, and a heavier car. The 07 looks to be even worse than the 06, it even gets this ugly hood because of the new VQ35HR.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b149/VQ35DEV6/IMG_2681.jpg)

Thats why i wanted the 35th anniversay edition. It is the only way top get the "rev-up" motor with 300hp, leather seats, brembos, and still has the low weight.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 13, 2006, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: 93JC on November 13, 2006, 11:03:58 AM
Cut your damned hair, hippie!


:lol:

Hey, give me a break, it looks worse with helmet head! :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 93JC on November 13, 2006, 12:46:12 PM
I was going to ask how you get the damned helmet on. :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2006, 06:06:27 PM
Quote from: 93JC on November 13, 2006, 12:46:12 PM
I was going to ask how you get the damned helmet on. :lol:

I was thinking the same thing.  I figured he didn't need to, since it's like wearing a pillow.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on November 13, 2006, 08:30:56 PM
Quote from: Raza on November 13, 2006, 06:06:27 PM
I was thinking the same thing.  I figured he didn't need to, since it's like wearing a pillow.

Hell, up until recently i had roughly that much hair...maybe a little less, not so much anymore, Chicks dig pimp hair like mine  :ohyeah:


Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 13, 2006, 09:05:30 PM
I'm gonna get it cut Friday, it's starting to bother me.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: heelntoe on November 13, 2006, 11:33:30 PM
wuss, i have longer hair than you.

nice pice btw.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on November 14, 2006, 02:00:37 AM
It seems the Z cars dance the line between serious and awesome GT, and overweight and underwhelming pig.

But I dig the 240 and your 280.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raza on November 14, 2006, 12:13:59 PM
Once I can feel my hair touching my ears, I start to go nuts.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on November 14, 2006, 04:52:12 PM
Quote from: Raza on November 14, 2006, 12:13:59 PM
Once I can feel my hair touching my ears, I start to go nuts.

My hair covers my ears almost completely....then again, i have slightly odd ears so it looks better this way
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on December 17, 2006, 01:10:24 AM
Alright, after much deliberation, I think this is going to be the color of my Z. 1969 Chevrolet Dusk Blue.

(http://www.classicdreamcars.com/69dskbluerear.JPG)

This color is so multi-dimensional in different light. And it's the exact same color as my dad's Corvette.

I wanted to go orange, but it's $370 a gallon vs. ~$230 a gallon. Red pigment is expensive.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on December 17, 2006, 01:16:09 AM
Quote from: JYODER240 on November 13, 2006, 11:10:45 AM
it even gets this ugly hood because of the new VQ35HR.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b149/VQ35DEV6/IMG_2681.jpg)


Looks like they tried to make it look like the bulge on the first gen cars.

Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JYODER240 on December 17, 2006, 11:07:03 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 17, 2006, 01:16:09 AM
Looks like they tried to make it look like the bulge on the first gen cars.



It kinda reminds me of a dolphin.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 04, 2007, 09:33:12 PM
UPDATE:

I almost forgot about this thread.

This winter storage season began with me checking out my squeeling (okay...barking) brakes. The brakes always stopped and even felt pretty good, so I didn't think much of it. Unfortuneatly, it turns out that 3 of the 4 pistons in the front calipers were seized up. Also, the brake pad pins were rusted and rough, there were no shims at all, the brake pads had spider cracks, the brake fluid was filthy, the brake master cylinder is deeply pitted (therefore it is trash), the rear brake hoses were cracked, one of the springs in the drum brake came loose and consequently ruined the brake shoe and spider cracked it as well. I also replaced the seals in my rear wheel cylinders as one of them developed a huge leak this fall.

So far, I've bought two Bendix remanufactured calipers, Raybestos rear brake shoes, Hawk HPS front brake pads, two rear wheel cylinder rebuild kits, new Valvoline synthetic brake fluid, and one genuine Nissan front brake hardware kit.

I'm going to buy a Bendix remanufactured brake master cylinder, Beck-Arnley drum brake hardware kit, Dupli-color caliper paint kit, and MSA stainless steel braided brake hoses.

I may also have the front rotors turned and replace one of the rear brake drums. The only major thing I won't have touched is the brake booster, which I hope still works!

I never thought the braking was bad before, but now, it's gonna be great! :praise:

I also got a carpet kit for the car (which it desperately needed). I haven't put it in yet, but I will before spring. I also had to modify my aftermarket shock boots as they were rubbing against the spring perch at every turn.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on February 04, 2007, 09:56:55 PM
I'm torn between one of these or a SVX for my future "fun" car.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on February 04, 2007, 09:57:56 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 17, 2006, 01:10:24 AM
Alright, after much deliberation, I think this is going to be the color of my Z. 1969 Chevrolet Dusk Blue.

(http://www.classicdreamcars.com/69dskbluerear.JPG)

This color is so multi-dimensional in different light. And it's the exact same color as my dad's Corvette.

I wanted to go orange, but it's $370 a gallon vs. ~$230 a gallon. Red pigment is expensive.

And doesn't it require a lot of maintenance as well?  I see a ton of crappy looking red paint on older cars.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 04, 2007, 10:00:51 PM
I actually have a different color in mind now, but I'm not going to say what it is because I know that I'll probably change it again later.

Once the car is in primer I think it will be safe to announce my decision. :tounge:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on February 04, 2007, 10:02:45 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 04, 2007, 10:00:51 PM
I actually have a different color in mind now, but I'm not going to say what it is because I know that I'll probably change it again later.

Once the car is in primer I think it will be safe to announce my decision. :tounge:
Haha.

Don't blame ya.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 04, 2007, 10:08:55 PM
Oh BTW, here's an old vid I found on my PC of the car when it was running:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/?action=view&current=280ZTest.flv?t=1170651977
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on February 04, 2007, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 04, 2007, 10:08:55 PM
Oh BTW, here's an old vid I found on my PC of the car when it was running:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/?action=view&current=280ZTest.flv?t=1170651977

Sounds nice with the exhaust you have on there.  I like I-6s.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 04, 2007, 10:20:07 PM
It's a lot meaner souding out on the road under load.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on February 05, 2007, 08:12:46 AM
I bet.  Is there a good forum on the web of Z car owners and enthusiasts?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 05, 2007, 12:07:14 PM
Yes.

Zcar.com is a good database for searching, but there are a lot of newbs and some jerks that you have to watch out for.

HybridZ.org is a newer format website like this one, but it has too many sub-forums, IMO, and the search function never works as well as Zcar.com.

If you have a problem with your heater core, go to Zcar.com. If you want to know if a 500 cid Cadillac V8 fits in a Z (it does, BTW) go to Hybrid Z. There are more racers on Hybrid Z than Zcar.com.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on February 05, 2007, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 05, 2007, 12:07:14 PM
Yes.

Zcar.com is a good database for searching, but there are a lot of newbs and some jerks that you have to watch out for.

HybridZ.org is a newer format website like this one, but it has too many sub-forums, IMO, and the search function never works as well as Zcar.com.

If you have a problem with your heater core, go to Zcar.com. If you want to know if a 500 cid Cadillac V8 fits in a Z (it does, BTW) go to Hybrid Z. There are more racers on Hybrid Z than Zcar.com.

Very cool. Thanks.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 24, 2007, 07:10:30 PM
She lives!

I finally got around to buying that USB->serial adapter for my laptop. Someone is letting me use a chipped ECU so I can work on my bin file until Nistune is officially out.

I know a guy who got me an advance copy, so I used it to run my car on an '88 300ZX tune. It sounds pretty healthy, especially considering I haven't run it in so long. It warmed up a little roughly, but it smoothed out and reved up good:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/th_DSCN1448.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/?action=view&current=DSCN1448.flv)

This is the Nistune interface I can use to adjust my maps. Once I get a wideband 02 sensor and get the map tracing to work, it will be awesome! Make no mistake, this is hardcore tuning software, it's definately not push a button and the car goes fast. It will be good practice for my mechanical engineering classes!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/nistune.jpg)

I updated the brakes, as I mentioned before. Bendix rebuilt calipers with genuine Nissan hardware, Earl's stainless steel braided brake lines, and Hawk HPS brake pads:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1450.jpg)

The rear drums needed attention too. Carquest premium brake shoes with Beck-Arnley hardware, rebuilt brake cylinders, and the previously mentioned stainless steel brake lines:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1449.jpg)

The interior comes next. I bought an MSA carpet kit I haven't got around to installing it:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1452.jpg)

I also tried to bleed the brakes today. The old plastic on my brake fluid resevoir was fatigued and brittle and split at the parting line of the mold. I got brake fluid all over the place. Brake fluid is bad for paint, folks. :nono:

Now I wish I would have paid the extra money for a new brake master cylinder instead of a rebuilt.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 28, 2007, 11:07:16 PM
This is odd. I tried to upload a video on Sunday (it didn't work) so I gave up. Now it shows up on my photobucket a couple days later:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/th_DSCN1447.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/?action=view&current=DSCN1447.flv)

Anyway, this clip was shot a few minutes earlier than the other one. It was before I bumped up the idle and let it warm up.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 01, 2007, 08:43:37 AM
That Nistune software looks neat.  I would love to learn how to use software like that to tune vehicles.  That seems to be a somewhat lucrative business.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 01, 2007, 11:28:40 AM
Quote from: R-inge on March 01, 2007, 08:43:37 AM
That Nistune software looks neat. I would love to learn how to use software like that to tune vehicles. That seems to be a somewhat lucrative business.

Me too. :lol:

It's just one guy down in Australia doing this. They're $380 AUD each which is about $320 USD after shipping and paypal commission. He's put a lot of time into this and seems like a great guy, so he deserves it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 17, 2007, 03:39:01 PM
Damn! I hate drum brakes.

They are the worst to adjust. Discs have no adjustment, which is nice.

The driver's side rear is being a bitch. I have one spare drum that doesn't fit at all, and another that does fit, but it looks warped and grabs intermittently. I'd convert to discs if it wasn't so $$$$. Not sure what to do now.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 18, 2007, 03:14:24 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 17, 2007, 03:39:01 PM
Damn! I hate drum brakes.

They are the worst to adjust. Discs have no adjustment, which is nice.

The driver's side rear is being a bitch. I have one spare drum that doesn't fit at all, and another that does fit, but it looks warped and grabs intermittently. I'd convert to discs if it wasn't so $$$$. Not sure what to do now.

Yeah they suck.

If you can get a set that aren't warped the best way I have found to get them into proper adjustment is to use the "back up real quick and slam on your brakes" method.  Just get the adjustment close beforehand, without the rotors dragging, and then do several quick stops in reverse at a decent clip.  It works on dual-servo drum brakes anyway...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JWC on March 18, 2007, 04:07:15 PM
Man, you guys would hate old Beetles.

Four wheel drum brakes and no self adjusters.

Once you get used to doing it, it is a ten minute job....I see it as another way to bond with my car.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 18, 2007, 04:11:52 PM
Quote from: JWC on March 18, 2007, 04:07:15 PM
Man, you guys would hate old Beetles.

Four wheel drum brakes and no self adjusters.

Once you get used to doing it, it is a ten minute job....I see it as another way to bond with my car.

Some guy on Zcar.com was talking about that.

He said if you adjust them wrong, you have no brakes at all!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 19, 2007, 12:55:52 PM
I hate drum brakes. :frown:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: TheIntrepid on March 19, 2007, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: R-inge on March 19, 2007, 12:55:52 PM
I hate drum brakes. :frown:

Right. ABS FTW :rockon:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 93JC on March 19, 2007, 02:19:42 PM
ABS? :nutty:

That has nothing to do with drums or discs. You could (can?) get drums with ABS...

ABS blows by the way. Useless in winter, unnecessary in summer: I can't find any reason to ever want it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: TheIntrepid on March 19, 2007, 02:21:33 PM
I don't think you can get drums with ABS anymore.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 93JC on March 19, 2007, 02:25:10 PM
Probably one or two vehicles we just don't know off the top of our heads. There's nothing stopping it from being done, but I think most companies like to bundle ABS with optional disc packages.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Danish on March 19, 2007, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 19, 2007, 02:02:54 PM
Right. ABS FTW :rockon:

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: ro51092 on March 19, 2007, 02:30:03 PM
WHAT HE SAID
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 19, 2007, 02:52:38 PM
Quote from: 93JC on March 19, 2007, 02:19:42 PM
ABS? :nutty:

That has nothing to do with drums or discs. You could (can?) get drums with ABS...

ABS blows by the way. Useless in winter, unnecessary in summer: I can't find any reason to ever want it.

You can only make ABS work well with disc brakes, so a car with rear drums will have front-only ABS, from what I have read. Could be wrong.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 93JC on March 19, 2007, 04:12:06 PM
:nutty:

In fact, as far as I know many trucks in the early '90s equipped with disc/drums and ABS would have ABS on the rear wheels.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Tave on March 21, 2007, 09:36:04 PM
I never realized how horrible ABS was until I was driving my parents Durango around in the snow. I can easily envision them getting me into a wreck.

Sometimes being locked up is better than not braking at all. Those pulses kept putting me further and further into intersections. Screw that.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 21, 2007, 09:39:33 PM
Yes, I am not the biggest ABS fan in the world, although I think it would be great on a motorcycle.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 21, 2007, 09:40:39 PM
Quote from: 93JC on March 19, 2007, 04:12:06 PM
:nutty:

In fact, as far as I know many trucks in the early '90s equipped with disc/drums and ABS would have ABS on the rear wheels.

My Ranger had rear ABS drums, non ABS front discs. Pretty retarded if you ask me, but I guess it's to keep idiots from spinning out when the bed is unloaded.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 21, 2007, 10:11:35 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 18, 2007, 04:11:52 PM
Some guy on Zcar.com was talking about that.

He said if you adjust them wrong, you have no brakes at all!

No, but you could concievably only get one wheel braking.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: The Pirate on March 22, 2007, 10:00:57 AM
Quote from: NACar on March 21, 2007, 09:40:39 PM
My Ranger had rear ABS drums, non ABS front discs. Pretty retarded if you ask me, but I guess it's to keep idiots from spinning out when the bed is unloaded.


Mine did too, except the system was kinda messed up, so when it engaged, it was really slow.  There'd be a second in between the engage/disengage cycle, and you could feel it working throughout the whole truck.

Made for some interesting dynamics in hard braking.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 05, 2007, 10:43:38 PM
I'm terribly conflicted at the moment...

I can't decide whether to paint my Z or add more power! I don't think I have money to do both.

I want to paint it because I want to:
-Strip off all of the ugly badges and dealer added trim (fill in holes)
-Fix the giant gapping holes in my rocker panel
-Cover up the previous owner's failed attempt to match the paint
-Cover up a bunch of scratches
-Have touch up paint (don't know what color the PO painted it)
-Cover up the gouge some asshole left when my car was keyed at school
-Just give it some shine again!
-etc.

I also want to add power by:
-Walbro 255 inline fuel pump
-Intercooler install for my Mitsubishi Evo VIII I/C
-Nistune tuning on my 300ZX Turbo ECU
-Bigger injectors
-Z32 MAF
-Centerforce Clutch
-etc.

On the other hand, I know I'm going to start breaking halfshafts and stuff like that with even more power. Right now, I run 7 psi un-intercooled.

Which road do I take?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: nickdrinkwater on May 06, 2007, 07:29:28 AM
I'm a perfectionist, so I would do the paint first.  For me, there's nothing quite like having a spotless car!  You can always do the performance upgrades later, I think it would be best to get it looking how you want it to first.

It's all down to personal preference though!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on May 06, 2007, 11:50:23 PM
I usually go for function first, and finish the project by making it look good, but I get the impression that the Z isn't gonna ever be finished, so I'd go paint.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Danish on May 07, 2007, 12:11:33 AM
Wouldn't working on the Z mess up your nice paint job?

I'd say work under the hood first.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on May 09, 2007, 09:29:48 AM
You don't need to bugger the paint job by working on it afterwards.  I suppose if it were me, if the paint and body were in crummy condition I would start there, assuming the powertrain was solid first.  sounds like it is, so go for the paint!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 09, 2007, 11:24:03 AM
Working on it afterwards?

Bwahahaha...

Until I'm making 500 rwhp, I'm not "done". Let me make that clear. And it's not that hard to protect the paint if you need to.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JWC on May 12, 2007, 06:30:48 PM
How about $50 for a paint job?  Takes a lot of time though. 

I've been reading up on paint options for my VW and I came across someone who "rolled" the paint on their car and the wet sanded it smooth and polished it.  At first I thought "what a moron", but in the photos it looks good and it turns out he isn't the originator of this technique. 

Another option is Duplicolor's Paint Shop System.  Laquer paint, quick drying.  Runs $20/quart primier, color, and clear coat.


http://www.duplicolor.com/products/paintshop.html



Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 12, 2007, 06:36:19 PM
Those paint jobs are not worth the trouble. For the time you put into it, you're better off just putting in extra hours at work to afford a real paintjob!

It would make my car look worse. That paint doesn't shine very well and you're limited with colors.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JWC on May 12, 2007, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on May 12, 2007, 06:36:19 PM
Those paint jobs are not worth the trouble. For the time you put into it, you're better off just putting in extra hours at work to afford a real paintjob!

It would make my car look worse. That paint doesn't shine very well and you're limited with colors.


True, but the colors availabe are exactly what I want, yellow and white.  Plus, I'm old enough to remember lacquer and it requires buffing to shine.  Once, buffed, it outshines enamels.   Corn silk used to be the preferred buffing compound, but I would think something has come along that is better.

I've checked into paint shops in my area.  No one will touch a Beetle for less than 3k.  They all say the same thing, the curves cause the paint to run too easily and they have to charge for that.  Unprofessional painters in my opinion, they seem to admit they can only spary flat surfaces successfully.    In my youth, I sprayed lacquer and acrylic enamel.  Without a bake booth, lacquer is better.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 12, 2007, 06:47:07 PM
You know I'm talking about the roll on paint jobs, right?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JWC on May 12, 2007, 06:53:00 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on May 12, 2007, 06:47:07 PM
You know I'm talking about the roll on paint jobs, right?


No, I just threw that out there...I couldn't ever bring myself to take "rollers" seriously...but, I wasn't sure what you were in to. ;)

This car is from a VW forum member who just painted it using the Duplicolor Paint Shop system.  He hadn't color sanded it yet, but still doesn't look bad.


http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i190/gfw1985/Projects/?action=view&current=001.jpg
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on May 14, 2007, 07:22:37 PM
That actually looks alright, I'm sure after a good sand it will look nice.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 06, 2007, 11:01:33 PM
I just got my 15x6 1981 280ZX Turbo "snowflake" rims painted and on the car, wrapped in 205/60VR-15 BF Goodrich G-Force Sport summer tires. They look great and grip 10x better than the all seasons I had on there before. I'll post pics later.

I just got my Walbro inline fuel pump installed. It should be good for ~500 rwhp. The damn thing is loud though!

My Evo intercooler is going on soon. I just ordered couplers and T-bolt clamps and I have the piping already. I picked up a 1g DSM BOV for $13. My chipped and socketed ECU was repaired and is going back on the car soon.

I'm also getting a DXD 300ZX clutch for the car pretty soon.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: footoflead on July 06, 2007, 11:09:51 PM
I take it you went with the power route  :lol: :rockon:

It doesn't look thatttt bad as is..at least in pictures but my mustang looks good in pictures but not so hot when you get in person and can see the dings etc

Awesome though  :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 22, 2007, 08:45:26 PM
Here's some pics from the autocross today:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/GVSU001.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/GVSU005.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/GVSU008.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/GVSU009.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/GVSU010.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/GVSU015.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/GVSU016.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/GVSU017.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/GVSU018.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 15, 2007, 01:17:15 PM
240Z bumper swap time! I just bought an OEM 240Z bumper from Nissan. It drops 40 lbs of weight, shortens up the car, and makes it look better, IMO.

It looks better and seems faster with all that weight gone (placebo effect?) but I still need an air dam (the stock front valance looks odd with the new bumper) and some rubber strips to cover up the holes. Not sure what to do about the back. I don't think the rear one looks that bad, but it is 50 lbs of dead weight.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1596.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1595.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1594.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1593.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1592.jpg)

Lots of new space for an Evo intercooler! :rockon:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1597.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: CJ on September 15, 2007, 01:28:25 PM
Looks awesome!  Are you going to ad a lower grille so it looks complete?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 15, 2007, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: CJ on September 15, 2007, 01:28:25 PM
Looks awesome!  Are you going to ad a lower grille so it looks complete?

Nope, I'm adding a front air dam like this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/fairladyZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: the Teuton on September 15, 2007, 01:35:46 PM
Not bad at all.  What's the weight distribution on a 280Z from the factory?  If they big bumper in back keeps it closer to 50-50, then it might be worth keeping.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 15, 2007, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on September 15, 2007, 01:35:46 PM
Not bad at all.  What's the weight distribution on a 280Z from the factory?  If they big bumper in back keeps it closer to 50-50, then it might be worth keeping.

I don't know.

I'll let you know when I have it scaled.

50 lbs of dead weight at the very end of the car is not good, regardless of weight distribution.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on September 16, 2007, 02:13:03 PM
Neato burrito.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raghavan on September 16, 2007, 02:16:06 PM
Nice car, but i like the fastback versions better.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 28, 2007, 03:43:54 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 24, 2007, 07:10:30 PM

I updated the brakes, as I mentioned before. Bendix rebuilt calipers with genuine Nissan hardware, Earl's stainless steel braided brake lines, and Hawk HPS brake pads:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1450.jpg)


Weaksauce!

Got my new front brakes today. They are 4 piston Toyota 4x4 calipers and 300ZX VENTED front rotors. The calipers bolt right up, but the rotors will need a specially machined front spacer. It's a huge step up from 2 piston calipers and thin, solid front rotors. NO MORE BRAKE FADE, DAMN IT!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/Toyotacalipers001.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/Toyotacalipers002.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/Toyotacalipers004.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/Toyotacalipers005.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/Toyotacalipers006.jpg)

They came with some brake pads, but I'm going to buy Porterfield R4-S pads for it.

The rears will also use 300ZX rotors, although those are not vented. It also uses 240SX calipers. That setup will look like this:
(http://www.rotaryz.com/albums/20050625/PICT0190.sized.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2007, 10:00:37 PM
I need to figure out an intake and recirculation valve setup, but the intercooler fits and so do all the pipes! No cutting to the unibody was required!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1629.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1630.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1631.jpg)

Notice that the hot pipe goes behind the radiator instead of having the cold pipe there. This keeps the hot air off of the radiator from reheating my intake air.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2007, 10:02:26 PM
Looks nice and clean. Good job.  :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2007, 10:09:46 PM
I think I've got a boost leak somewhere.

Can you help me find it in the picture? :huh:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2007, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2007, 10:09:46 PM
I think I've got a boost leak somewhere.

Can you help me find it in the picture? :huh:

On the pipe attached to the throttle body, where it curves to the left side of the car and then breaks... How are the pipes connected there?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2007, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: NACar on October 13, 2007, 10:15:12 PM
On the pipe attached to the throttle body, where it curves to the left side of the car and then breaks... How are the pipes connected there?

Your imagination...until I get it welded. :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2007, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on October 13, 2007, 10:19:04 PM
Your imagination...until I get it welded. :lol:

:evildude:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 19, 2007, 10:37:33 PM
I'm ordering Porterfield R4-S pads all around. The 240SX rear caliper brackets and 300ZX Brembo rotors are on order. I'm painting all the calipers tomorrow.

I got one drum backing plate cut off tonight, I stopped working on the other one since I pulled back some skin on my thumb via a hammer and chisel.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on December 08, 2007, 11:24:47 PM
I got more brake parts the other day.

The hub spacers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1638.jpg)

The rear calipers are on:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1645.jpg)

The passenger side brake lines runs right into the rear brake line distribution block:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1636.jpg)
The driver's side is a bit of a mystery. I need some hardline, but I'm not sure where to mount it.

I got Porterfield R4-S pads all around:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1646.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1648.jpg)

I also got an new OEM 15/16" Brake master cylinder to keep the pedal travel reasonable.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1641.jpg)

I picked up a 300ZX coil to give me more clearance for I/C piping.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1640.jpg)

I'm reusing the stock brake lines in front. I'm getting rid of the dust shields.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1650.jpg)


I just test fit the wheel. I took some paint off of the caliper. I was hoping it would fit, but I didn't expect it to.

I was able to shim it out with 2 washers, so I need a ~5/16" inch spacer and longer studs. Anybody know where I can get some?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 08, 2007, 11:27:02 PM
Why did you get hub spacers for the front?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on December 08, 2007, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: NACar on December 08, 2007, 11:27:02 PM
Why did you get hub spacers for the front?

Because the rotor hats for the 300ZX rotors are too short. The black spacer makes it all fit.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 08, 2007, 11:32:33 PM
Oh, I missed the part where you said you were upgrading to 300Zx brakes. Cool.

I never bought wheels spacers before. Maybe http://www.wheeladapter.com
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on December 08, 2007, 11:35:30 PM
This could get pricey.

Maybe I'll just go with parts store "Mr. Gasket" spacers.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on December 08, 2007, 11:36:55 PM
Quote from: NACar on December 08, 2007, 11:32:33 PM
Oh, I missed the part where you said you were upgrading to 300Zx brakes. Cool.

I never bought wheels spacers before. Maybe http://www.wheeladapter.com

84-85 Non Turbo 300ZX rotors all around
89-94 240SX rear calipers
86-87 Toyota 4x4 4 piston front calipers
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 08, 2007, 11:37:39 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 08, 2007, 11:35:30 PM
This could get pricey.

Maybe I'll just go with parts store "Mr. Gasket" spacers.

If they fit use them. So, maybe you have to settle for 3/8" instead. No big deal - as long as the tires don't start rubbing fenders.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on December 08, 2007, 11:46:21 PM
Quote from: NACar on December 08, 2007, 11:37:39 PM
If they fit use them. So, maybe you have to settle for 3/8" instead. No big deal - as long as the tires don't start rubbing fenders.

They shouldn't even come close. I'm afraid it will make my rear wheels look more sunken in, though.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 08, 2007, 11:48:29 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 08, 2007, 11:46:21 PM
They shouldn't even come close. I'm afraid it will make my rear wheels look more sunken in, though.

That's the cool thing to do now. Make your rear wheels look all sunken in, like an Isetta. :rockon: :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on December 08, 2007, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: NACar on December 08, 2007, 11:48:29 PM
That's the cool thing to do now. Make your rear wheels look all sunken in, like an Isetta. :rockon: :lol:

:cry:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 18, 2008, 06:33:49 PM
Would this be a cool color for the Z or what?
(http://photos.ebizautos.com/6313/1901208_1.jpg)

I'd like to paint the Z with single stage urethane paint this summer as well as get some 16x8 Sportmax wheels like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/BobyYoo/280zx/IMG_2299.jpg)

Right now, I have the left side of the motor ripped off replacing the intake/exhaust gasket. I'm also replacing the front wheel bearings and trying to find a place for my brake proportioning valve.

I got universal 1/4" wheels spacers and installed longer studs from a Nissan Quest minivan.

When my car comes out in the spring it will have awesome brakes and a leak free exhuast. :huh:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 18, 2008, 08:52:55 PM
turbo?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 18, 2008, 08:56:37 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/280Z003.jpg)

I already haz terbow.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 18, 2008, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 18, 2008, 08:56:37 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/280Z003.jpg)

I already haz terbow.

I CAN HAS TERBOW PLZ NOW?  :(
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 18, 2008, 09:17:43 PM
Quote from: NACar on February 18, 2008, 09:12:01 PM
I CAN HAS TERBOW PLZ NOW?  :(

It would be a waste. You'd just torque steer into the weeds.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 18, 2008, 09:20:13 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 18, 2008, 09:17:43 PM
It would be a waste. You'd just torque steer into the weeds.

I BE CARFUL. PROMIZ. :(
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 18, 2008, 09:24:54 PM
I'm also probably going to shave the rear bumper off to drop a good 50 lbs or so from the tail.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1591.jpg)
(http://img2.putfile.com/main/10/30010592883.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 20, 2008, 07:57:06 PM
Can anybody recommend a good paint?

I'm thinking Single Stage Nason Fullthane urethane. I don't need/want a showcar shine and I'm not worried about it weathering, but I want quality paint. I'm not afraid to spend a few hundred on this.

I've also read that metallic paint is easier to lay down than solid. Is that true? I want to use metallic blue paint anyway.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: J86 on February 21, 2008, 05:42:50 PM
Does anyone use Awlgrip on cars?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 22, 2008, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: J86 on February 21, 2008, 05:42:50 PM
Does anyone use Awlgrip on cars?

:huh:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 22, 2008, 09:20:51 PM
I'm going to try and get the hubs done tommorow and start bleeding the brakes. I try to post pics.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 22, 2008, 09:29:03 PM
Quote from: J86 on February 21, 2008, 05:42:50 PM
Does anyone use Awlgrip on cars?

No, but I've seen it on trucks and carrydeck cranes.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: J86 on February 23, 2008, 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 22, 2008, 10:36:07 AM
:huh:

Used to coat boats.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 11:59:00 AM
I would never use anything other than automotive paint on a car.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 23, 2008, 12:01:08 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 11:59:00 AM
I would never use anything other than automotive paint on a car.

Boat paint is hardcore, man.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 12:02:32 PM
Quote from: NACar on February 23, 2008, 12:01:08 PM
Boat paint is hardcore, man.

You're the kind of guy who would roll Dutchboy paint on your cars.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 23, 2008, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 12:02:32 PM
You're the kind of guy who would roll Dutchboy paint on your cars.

Heil ja! Dutchboy is a pimp!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 01:09:35 PM
Here's my authetic plate on the car:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1657.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: The Pirate on February 23, 2008, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 01:09:35 PM
Here's my authetic plate on the car:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1657.jpg)


That's one hell of an exhaust pipe you have there...


I'm not mocking, your car rocks!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: The Pirate on February 23, 2008, 01:16:05 PM
Oh, and you have you driven the car with the SS brake lines.  I'm thinking of getting those for my car.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 23, 2008, 01:36:33 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 01:09:35 PM
Here's my authetic plate on the car:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1657.jpg)

Cool. So now it's registered for ever and you don't have to pay for it?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raza on February 23, 2008, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 20, 2008, 07:57:06 PM
Can anybody recommend a good paint?

I'm thinking Single Stage Nason Fullthane urethane. I don't need/want a showcar shine and I'm not worried about it weathering, but I want quality paint. I'm not afraid to spend a few hundred on this.

I've also read that metallic paint is easier to lay down than solid. Is that true? I want to use metallic blue paint anyway.

(http://www.ceosmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/behr-paint.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: The Pirate on February 23, 2008, 02:10:40 PM
Quote from: Raza  on February 23, 2008, 02:00:17 PM
(http://www.ceosmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/behr-paint.jpg)

Behr paint sucks ass.  I painted some shelves with it once, it was terrible.  The paint stuck to, and pulled off onto, everything that I set on the shelf.  I promptly went back to Sherwin-Williams paints.


Edit:  I realize your post was tongue-in-cheek, but take note.  Should you ever find yourself purchasing paint, run far away from Behr.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Raza on February 23, 2008, 02:18:19 PM
Quote from: The Pirate on February 23, 2008, 02:10:40 PM
Behr paint sucks ass.  I painted some shelves with it once, it was terrible.  The paint stuck to, and pulled off onto, everything that I set on the shelf.  I promptly went back to Sherwin-Williams paints.


Edit:  I realize your post was tongue-in-cheek, but take note.  Should you ever find yourself purchasing paint, run far away from Behr.

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/cheez_doing_it_wrong.jpg)

Behr paint is the best.  I've painted everything with Behr paint.  My walls, shelves, floors, roommate, pets; everything.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 03:11:18 PM
Quote from: The Pirate on February 23, 2008, 01:15:20 PM

That's one hell of an exhaust pipe you have there...


I'm not mocking, your car rocks!

It's 3". There's a 24" glasspack midway down the system. The reason it's drooping down is because the exhaust manifold is off the car.

I have driven the car with S/S brake lines and my stock "2007 season" brakes. In 2006, my brakes were in such bad shape before I put the lines on that I can't tell you if the lines themselves really made a difference.

The "2008 season" brakes also use S/S lines, but with vented front rotors, 4 piston fixed calipers, and rear discs. :rockon:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: NACar on February 23, 2008, 01:36:33 PM
Cool. So now it's registered for ever and you don't have to pay for it?

A one time fee of $30 and it's good forever. The plate is from my dad's Corvette from when he first got it.

At least Michigan still likes classic cars. :wub:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 23, 2008, 03:24:51 PM
You keep saying how rusty your car is, but it looks pretty damned clean to me, especially for a Michigan Z.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 23, 2008, 03:24:51 PM
You keep saying how rusty your car is, but it looks pretty damned clean to me, especially for a Michigan Z.

You have to know where to look.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 23, 2008, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 04:16:22 PM
You have to know where to look.

I see a lot of Zs with rust poking through the corners of the rear bumper, and at the bottom of the rear hatch glass.

I see none of that in that pic, at least.

Granted, your running boards and inside rear wheel wells may be a different story...

Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 04:27:21 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/ee49e236.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 23, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
Gross :cry:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: J86 on February 23, 2008, 04:29:49 PM
What's wrong with boat paint!

I'm not much of a painter by trade...Soup, do you know why Awlgrip is no go on cars?

Sweet plate, btw.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: NACar on February 23, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
Gross :cry:

It's all POR-15'd now.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 04:32:42 PM
Quote from: J86 on February 23, 2008, 04:29:49 PM
What's wrong with boat paint!

I'm not much of a painter by trade...Soup, do you know why Awlgrip is no go on cars?

Sweet plate, btw.

What's wrong with automotive paint?

It probably doesn't shine like automotive paint or adaquetly protect against UV damage. I don't know.

If I wanted cheap shit, I'd just do Rustoleum paint.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 23, 2008, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 04:31:02 PM
It's all POR-15'd now.


OH GOOD
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: J86 on February 23, 2008, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 04:32:42 PM
What's wrong with automotive paint?

It probably doesn't shine like automotive paint or adaquetly protect against UV damage. I don't know.

If I wanted cheap shit, I'd just do Rustoleum paint.

Nothing :lol:

I wouldnt call Awlgrip cheap...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 04:34:20 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 23, 2008, 04:18:12 PM
I see a lot of Zs with rust poking through the corners of the rear bumper, and at the bottom of the rear hatch glass.

I see none of that in that pic, at least.

Granted, your running boards and inside rear wheel wells may be a different story...



I don't.

The main areas are the rocker panels, behind all four wheels, battery tray, frame rails, and floors.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 23, 2008, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: J86 on February 23, 2008, 04:29:49 PM
What's wrong with boat paint!

I'm not much of a painter by trade...Soup, do you know why Awlgrip is no go on cars?

Sweet plate, btw.

I don't know why it wouldn't work. People tend to like their cars shiny though...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 23, 2008, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 04:34:20 PM
I don't.

The main areas are the rocker panels, behind all four wheels, battery tray, frame rails, and floors.

Those are pretty much a given on everything though...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 23, 2008, 05:02:03 PM
Well, I'm going to need a helicoil for one of my rotor to hub bolts. The threads are gone now. :huh:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1638.jpg)

I'm going to have my machinist fix it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JWC on February 23, 2008, 05:07:52 PM
You seem to have the same luck as I.

Shit happens when working on 30+ year old cars.  I keep telling myself I'm having fun.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: J86 on February 23, 2008, 06:11:14 PM
i HATE helicoil....good call sourcing that out!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Danish on February 25, 2008, 01:21:08 AM
Helicoil?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: J86 on February 25, 2008, 06:27:43 AM
making new threads.  it sucks,
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 25, 2008, 04:03:59 PM
How about these wheels:

(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x168/C2AUTOSPL/gmxxr-1.jpg)
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x168/C2AUTOSPL/blkxxr.jpg)

16x8, 0 offset, available in black, red, silver, gunmetal. You can't beat the price at $400 shipped. They'd work great with 225/50/16 Falken Azensis's.

I really like them!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: CALL_911 on February 25, 2008, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 25, 2008, 04:03:59 PM
How about these wheels:

(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x168/C2AUTOSPL/gmxxr-1.jpg)
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x168/C2AUTOSPL/blkxxr.jpg)

16x8, 0 offset, available in black, red, silver, gunmetal. You can't beat the price at $400 shipped. They'd work great with 225/50/16 Falken Azensis's.

I really like them!

Those look great.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 28, 2008, 01:28:09 PM
Anybody ever do any porting?

I'm thinking about porting the exhaust manifold.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: J86 on February 28, 2008, 07:31:45 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 28, 2008, 01:28:09 PM
Anybody ever do any porting?

I'm thinking about porting the exhaust manifold.

no, but had the cylinder heads on a gm 4.3l v6 ported by some other guy.  Didnt cost too much if i remember...

I imparted that information because I knew you would find it absolutely invaluable.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 28, 2008, 07:34:55 PM
All my info comes from these guys: http://www.diyporting.com/
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 28, 2008, 07:39:38 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on February 28, 2008, 01:28:09 PM
Anybody ever do any porting?

I'm thinking about porting the exhaust manifold.

I ported a 2-cycle moped and a flathead lawnmower once.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 28, 2008, 07:52:04 PM
Here's a thread with some pics of a ported one:

http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=124285&highlight=exh+manifold
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on February 29, 2008, 11:06:10 PM
I got ONE hub and brake rotor mounted today!

I also brought the other hub to my machinst.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 01, 2008, 08:46:34 AM
Exhaust manifold porting is often a cost-effective alternative to aftermarket tube headers, and often more durable over time.  With your turbocharger, it may promote better spool and slightly more power across the board.

I plan on porting my entire exhaust up to the turbo sometime soon; probably when I get a third car to use while the WRX is down, which should be soon.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 01, 2008, 08:56:36 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 28, 2008, 07:34:55 PM
All my info comes from these guys: http://www.diyporting.com/

I would love to build that flow bench and start doing some porting on the side.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 02, 2008, 01:30:14 AM
w00t!

I got the prop valve mounted using the stock fastener and washer. I have to get 4 fittings (2 for each end) to convert NPT to metric.

As soon as I get the hub back from the machine shop.

I'm also moving the HVAC vacuum control inside the car to clean up the engine bay.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 02, 2008, 11:35:43 PM
Looks like the motor is gonna come out.

I've been looking for an excuse to pull it, and as I was unscrewing the oil cooler adapter from the block I realized that it hit the motor mount.  :banghead:

The only way to change the leaky O-rings behind it is to pull the motor.

Now I can put in my new clutch, paint the block and change the rear main seal.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 03, 2008, 12:08:12 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 02, 2008, 11:35:43 PM
Looks like the motor is gonna come out.

I've been looking for an excuse to pull it, and as I was unscrewing the oil cooler adapter from the block I realized that it hit the motor mount.  :banghead:

The only way to change the leaky O-rings behind it is to pull the motor.

Now I can put in my new clutch, paint the block and change the rear main seal.
Swap that bish out for a Chevy small block V8. :devil:

:lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 03, 2008, 08:25:16 AM
Quote from: thecarnut on March 03, 2008, 12:08:12 AM
Swap that bish out for a Chevy small block V8. :devil:

:lol:

Bullschmit!  Heresy! :rage:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 03, 2008, 08:25:51 AM
After spending some time on HybridZ I think I need one of these...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 05:49:13 PM
The motor is out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1658.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1669.jpg)

I think the O-ring around my oil cooler adapter block went bad. There was a bunch of sludge under it before I cleaned it:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1659.jpg)

I'm thinking about painting the engine semi-gloss black:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1660.jpg)

One of the front brakes is together:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1661.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1662.jpg)

The rear brakes are together too:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1667.jpg)

I found a nice spot for the prop valve. I just need to cut and reflare the old brake lines so I can use SAE fittings:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1666.jpg)

Is my flywheel bad? I only put a couple thousand miles on it since I had it turned last:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1665.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1664.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1663.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 22, 2008, 05:50:47 PM
I wouldn't say so.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 06:01:35 PM
Painting the engine bay would be a PITA. Paint your engine instead.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 06:02:49 PM
BTW, your oil cooler is pretty damn fugly. Paint that, too. :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: NACar on March 22, 2008, 06:01:35 PM
Painting the engine bay would be a PITA. Paint your engine instead.

It wouldn't be hard at all, really. Everything is out.

The engine block will be Ford Red. :rockon:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 22, 2008, 06:03:52 PM
I just noticed something (I know next to nothing about Z-motors BTW).

The intake and exhaust ports are on the same side of the head? That's just weird!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 06:05:08 PM
Quote from: NACar on March 22, 2008, 06:02:49 PM
BTW, your oil cooler is pretty damn fugly. Paint that, too. :lol:

You won't see it. The I/C will cover it up.

I'm going to have new hoses made for it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 22, 2008, 06:03:52 PM
I just noticed something (I know next to nothing about Z-motors BTW).

The intake and exhaust ports are on the same side of the head? That's just weird!

It's called non-crossflow.

Volkswagen did it too.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 06:08:29 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 22, 2008, 06:03:52 PM
I just noticed something (I know next to nothing about Z-motors BTW).

The intake and exhaust ports are on the same side of the head? That's just weird!

I think there are lots of old I-6 motors like that. It saves space on one side, but makes the other side really crowded - good, perhaps, for a slant-6.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: NACar on March 22, 2008, 06:08:29 PM
I think there are lots of old I-6 motors like that. It saves space on one side, but makes the other side really crowded - good, perhaps, for a slant-6.

It makes a nice cozy home for the blazing hot turbo under the intake.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 06:16:44 PM
It makes a nice cozy home for the blazing hot turbo under the intake.

:ohyeah:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 06:20:13 PM
That's why I'm keeping the heat shield.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 22, 2008, 06:20:49 PM
I wish I had this much ambition...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 06:32:11 PM
Quote from: R-inge on March 22, 2008, 06:20:49 PM
I wish I had this much ambition...


Why don't you? Do you get tired of working on cars at work so you don't want to do your own?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on March 22, 2008, 06:33:05 PM
I have this much ambition, I just have neither the time, money or tools :P
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 06:33:33 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on March 22, 2008, 06:33:05 PM
I have this much ambition, I just have neither the time, money or tools :P

I have the ambition, the time, and the tools. I just don't have the garage or the money. :P
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 06:34:59 PM
Quote from: NACar on March 22, 2008, 06:33:33 PM
I have the ambition, the time, and the tools. I just don't have the garage or the money. :P

I have the ambition, the time, the tools, and the garage. I just don't have the money.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 06:34:59 PM
I have the ambition, the time, the tools, and the garage. I just don't have the money.

Damn - and you were so close...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on March 22, 2008, 06:52:22 PM
I could just rent a storage unit as a working garage if I wanted to, it's been done :P
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 09:21:55 PM
Hooray!

I have a pilot bushing again!

I ran the car for 3 years without one.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 09:21:55 PM
Hooray!

I have a pilot bushing again!

I ran the car for 3 years without one.

:wtf:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 09:24:28 PM
Quote from: NACar on March 22, 2008, 09:22:26 PM
:wtf:

Nothing bad happened.

The motor was from a 3 speed automatic car. I didn't know what a pilot bushing was 3 years ago, so it never got installed. :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 09:33:03 PM
You need an annoying blow off valve and no mufflers. Also, more boost. How much rebuilding are you going to do while you have the motor out?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 09:39:21 PM
Quote from: NACar on March 22, 2008, 09:33:03 PM
You need an annoying blow off valve and no mufflers. Also, more boost. How much rebuilding are you going to do while you have the motor out?

None. Just an external refresh.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 09:40:28 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 09:39:21 PM
None. Just an external refresh.

Take the head off and drop it off at a machine shop. Tell them to give it more horsepower.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 09:43:16 PM
Quote from: NACar on March 22, 2008, 09:40:28 PM
Take the head off and drop it off at a machine shop. Tell them to give it more horsepower.

$$$$$$$$$$

Plus, some cowfucker machine shop won't understand anything that isn't a Chevy.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 09:44:57 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 09:43:16 PM
$$$$$$$$$$

Plus, some cowfucker machine shop won't understand anything that isn't a Chevy.

Do it yourself. I did it to my lawnmower, and it worked fine. :devil:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 22, 2008, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 09:43:16 PM
$$$$$$$$$$

Plus, some cowfucker machine shop won't understand anything that isn't a Chevy.

No, they don't. I've had a hard enough time getting them to work on my iron Cadillac heads, which aren't really that much different from a Chevy head, but they're still idiots about it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 22, 2008, 11:46:20 PM
Quote from: NACar on March 22, 2008, 06:32:11 PM
Why don't you? Do you get tired of working on cars at work so you don't want to do your own?

Actually, that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 22, 2008, 11:47:52 PM
Quote from: R-inge on March 22, 2008, 11:46:20 PM
Actually, that's pretty much it.

That sucks. I hope it doesn't happen to me. Cars are like crack to me - I don't think I can ever get enough.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 23, 2008, 12:03:08 AM
I am saving some spare cash here and there to do something meaningful to the car...for now It's just been constant work quelling all of the rattles in this cheap fuckin' car...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 23, 2008, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: R-inge on March 23, 2008, 12:03:08 AM
I am saving some spare cash here and there to do something meaningful to the car...for now It's just been constant work quelling all of the rattles in this cheap fuckin' car...

I don't how you track down random rattles. That has to be one of the hardest things. Do you have to do that at work?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on March 23, 2008, 12:16:43 AM
Quote from: NACar on March 23, 2008, 12:04:58 AM
I don't how you track down random rattles. That has to be one of the hardest things. Do you have to do that at work?

...yep.  And yes, it's one of the more difficult and frustrating things to do.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: hotrodalex on March 24, 2008, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: NACar on March 23, 2008, 12:04:58 AM
I don't how you track down random rattles. That has to be one of the hardest things. Do you have to do that at work?

I do it fairly often in my Camaro. It can get annoying, but after a couple of minutes I can usually find the source. It might be harder in new cars though, since there's a lot more clutter in the dash & engine compartment (thus more things that could be rattling)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 04, 2008, 09:25:32 PM
I just broke a tap in my hub!

Damn it!

I wasted $40 on machining + taps for that thing and I just ended up destroying it by trying to tap it. The set screws I had put in were fucked up or something. Time to buy a new (old) one.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on April 04, 2008, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 04, 2008, 09:25:32 PM
I just broke a tap in my hub!

Damn it!

I wasted $40 on machining + taps for that thing and I just ended up destroying it by trying to tap it. The set screws I had put in were fucked up or something. Time to buy a new (old) one.

Tap extractor!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 04, 2008, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 04, 2008, 09:29:01 PM
Tap extractor!

Why don't YOU drive over here and extract the fuckin' thing? :lol:

I'm just going to break more taps trying to deal with these set screws. I'm cutting my losses and buying a new hub for $30.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on April 04, 2008, 11:53:50 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 04, 2008, 10:02:54 PM
Why don't YOU drive over here and extract the fuckin' thing? :lol:

I'm just going to break more taps trying to deal with these set screws. I'm cutting my losses and buying a new hub for $30.

Mail it to me or something and I will, dammit!~~
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 05, 2008, 12:02:18 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 04, 2008, 11:53:50 PM
Mail it to me or something and I will, dammit!~~

Alright, but don't bother mailing it back because I'll have a new one by then.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on April 05, 2008, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 05, 2008, 12:02:18 AM
Alright, but don't bother mailing it back because I'll have a new one by then.

Well then there'd be no point to that, would there?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 05, 2008, 12:21:18 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 05, 2008, 12:08:17 AM
Well then there'd be no point to that, would there?

That's right. :lol:

Even if I could extract the tap, I don't trust those set screws.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:24:20 PM
I've decided that the Z won't come back out until I have an intercooler and boost controller hooked up. :rockon:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on April 06, 2008, 10:25:32 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:24:20 PM
I've decided that the Z won't come back out until I have an intercooler and boost controller hooked up. :rockon:

There's no intercooler presently?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:27:31 PM
No. Nissan didn't think they needed it. It was meant to run 7 psi and 7.3:1 compression on 87 octane gas with no intercooler.

Intercoolers were not the norm back in 1981, AFAIK.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on April 06, 2008, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:27:31 PM
No. Nissan didn't think they needed it. It was meant to run 7 psi and 7.3:1 compression on 87 octane gas with no intercooler.

Intercoolers were not the norm back in 1981, AFAIK.

Yes, but I just kind of assumed...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 06, 2008, 10:30:14 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:27:31 PM
No. Nissan didn't think they needed it. It was meant to run 7 psi and 7.3:1 compression on 87 octane gas with no intercooler.

Intercoolers were not the norm back in 1981, AFAIK.

YOU NEED A INTERCOOLER!

HERE, PICK ONE, THEY ARE CHEAP
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1437
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:30:18 PM
Intercoolers are hard and expensive to hook up. I'm gonna have to make brackets, have pipes welded, find a new home for the MAF sensor and air filter, etc.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2008, 10:30:14 PM
YOU NEED A INTERCOOLER!

HERE, PICK ONE, THEY ARE CHEAP
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1437

I have one.

It's from an Evo.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 06, 2008, 10:32:24 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:30:43 PM
I have one.

It's from an Evo.

THEN U JUST NEED SOM PYPES
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1615
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2008, 10:32:24 PM
THEN U JUST NEED SOM PYPES
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1615

I have pipes. They are 2.25".
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 06, 2008, 10:33:21 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:33:04 PM
I have pipes. They are 2.25".

THEN PUT THE SHIT ON THERE
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:35:09 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2008, 10:33:21 PM
THEN PUT THE SHIT ON THERE

I told you. It's hard.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 06, 2008, 10:36:36 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:35:09 PM
I told you. It's hard.

if it's hard, you don't have the right pipes
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2008, 10:36:36 PM
if it's hard, you don't have the right pipes

They are correct, they just need skilled welder modz.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 06, 2008, 10:38:35 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:38:01 PM
They are correct, they just need skilled welder modz.

JB WELD! :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:40:15 PM
Works for the oil pan.

Actually, it could use another smattering of that shit. It is starting to leak again.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 06, 2008, 10:42:22 PM
All you have to do is set the pipes up, figure out where you want the things, mark them, and take it to someone to have it welded. Do it now, or you FAIL.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:43:05 PM
I need to find a good welder.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 06, 2008, 10:47:08 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:43:05 PM
I need to find a good welder.

Any good exhaust shop should be able to handle it (NOT a fucking Midas)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2008, 10:47:08 PM
Any good exhaust shop should be able to handle it (NOT a fucking Midas)

C'mon..."Trust the Midas touch"
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 06, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
C'mon..."Trust the Midas touch"

The Midas touch can go fuck itself.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
The Midas touch can go fuck itself.

Everything King Midas touched turned to gold.

Everything Midas service centers touch turns to scrap metal.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 06, 2008, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:50:47 PM
Everything King Midas touched turned to gold.

Everything Midas service centers touch turns to scrap metal.

Oh, good. You already know.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on April 07, 2008, 03:32:27 AM
Random question: Is the wheelbase of your 2+2 Z any longer than that of the regular Z?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 07, 2008, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: Psilos on April 07, 2008, 03:32:27 AM
Random question: Is the wheelbase of your 2+2 Z any longer than that of the regular Z?

By about 12 inches.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 05, 2008, 09:24:56 PM
I discovered some bad stuff today.

I can't fix the transmission leak, there are bad oil seals on one of the shafts. It leaks like a sieve, but I can't fix it without taking apart the whole gearbox, so fuck it.

The motor mounts I got have cock-eyed mounting holes so they are useless. I have no choice but to pay $90 for new Nissan mounts.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Submariner on June 12, 2008, 09:36:57 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on April 06, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
C'mon..."Trust the Midas touch"

The midas touch you speak of?

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/093i19o98T74X/610x.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 14, 2008, 07:56:36 PM
Pics of my hot rod red motor:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1673.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1671.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1670.jpg)

Pics of my intercooler fitment. Just need to make brackets and weld some pipe yet.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1681.jpg)

I just painted part of the car. A no-prize to the person that can guess where and how much:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1684.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1683.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1682.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on June 15, 2008, 10:50:50 PM
That car just gets slicker and slicker...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 16, 2008, 02:33:30 PM
I am especially proud of my road legal spirit of '76 license plate. :praise:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Cookie Monster on June 16, 2008, 03:04:05 PM
You should paint your car Honda Championship White. :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 18, 2008, 08:53:49 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on June 16, 2008, 03:04:05 PM
You should paint your car Honda Championship White. :lol:

As opposed to Hyundai Pony Horrid Failure White?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 18, 2008, 09:21:22 PM
That engine looks mighty purty all painted up and clean and shit...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 18, 2008, 09:26:42 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 18, 2008, 09:21:22 PM
That engine looks mighty purty all painted up and clean and shit...

(http://www.thecobrasnose.com/images3/OSlawrencecr.gif)
Fuckin' A, man.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 18, 2008, 09:28:14 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on June 16, 2008, 03:04:05 PM
You should paint your car Honda Championship White. :lol:

Nissans are supposed to be blue, noob.

Unfortunately, Datsuns are supposed to be brown, just like his...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 18, 2008, 09:29:45 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 18, 2008, 09:28:14 PM
Nissans are supposed to be blue, noob.

Unfortunately, Datsuns are supposed to be brown, just like his...

Brown from rust, mostly.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 18, 2008, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on March 22, 2008, 05:49:13 PM
The motor is out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1658.jpg)

The motor was blue, BTW.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 31, 2008, 09:20:27 PM
The "big brake kit" is done:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1661.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1667.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1666.jpg)

I got the Evo intercooler mounted:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1701.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1702.jpg)

I had to install a cheap tube and fin oil cooler in place of the stock one due to packaging issues:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1703.jpg)

Pipes all welded up:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1704.jpg)

I installed a new sandwich plate which came with the oil cooler:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1706.jpg)

DSM BOV location. Still need a bypass hose going to the MAF to turbo boot:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1705.jpg)

I did a lot of rewiring and cut out all of the wires that I didn't need. I ran the injector wires through an old A/C pipe hole in the firewall:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1708.jpg)

I got a MSA urethane air dam since I thought the car looked odd with the 280Z front valance and a 240Z bumper:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1709.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on September 03, 2008, 05:30:18 PM
That dam will look orange coolius.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on September 06, 2008, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2008, 10:30:14 PM
YOU NEED A INTERCOOLER!

HERE, PICK ONE, THEY ARE CHEAP
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/1437

SS Autochrome is cheap junk.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on September 06, 2008, 04:46:07 PM
Looks good man, nice work fabricating the tubing for the intercooler.  Professionally done, or did you do that?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 06, 2008, 05:54:01 PM
I cut the pipes and had a machinist friend weld them.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on September 07, 2008, 07:14:26 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on September 06, 2008, 05:54:01 PM
I cut the pipes and had a machinist friend weld them.

Good work on the measurement, and his welds look great.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 01, 2008, 12:44:12 PM
Does anybody know where I might find a seal like this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1727.jpg)

There's gotta be some kind of universal replacement for the lower window seal.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 93JC on November 02, 2008, 03:38:42 PM
Try auto parts stores and ask if they have generic weatherstripping stock? :huh:

I would think someone would carry it, and you could just cut the new stuff to fit your window.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 02, 2008, 04:05:59 PM
Maybe. I thought about finding some at a junkyard.

It's $50 PER SIDE from a Z-car parts supplier.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: hotrodalex on November 02, 2008, 04:39:32 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 02, 2008, 04:05:59 PM
Maybe. I thought about finding some at a junkyard.

It's $50 PER SIDE from a Z-car parts supplier.

Wow. I would think it should be under $20 for both sides.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 02, 2008, 05:33:56 PM
Use fish tank silicone and never roll down your windows.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 08, 2008, 09:20:24 PM
I'm starting some bodywork and prep for paint. The plan is to sand it down and reshoot it in the OEM copper color. The color is supposed to be lighter than the current color:
(http://digiads.com.au/carsales/used-cars/car_ad_photos/digiads_car_ads_85499_1.jpg)

The OEM color hides underneeth trim pieces:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1738.jpg)

I made a patch for this. It's just aluminum and I will bondo over it to smooth it out:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/ee49e236.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1735.jpg)

I POR-15'd over that crap a while ago and it seems to be in remission. Unfortunately, the other side looks like it's the same underneeth:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1737.jpg)

Here's another nasty spot:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1736.jpg)

The driver's side fender has some nasty rust as well. Any ideas of how to fix it?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1741.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/DSCN1732.jpg)

A new fender is $200.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 08, 2008, 09:28:05 PM
Questions:

-Should I take it down to metal? There is only one aftermarket paint job on there, but it is not on there well. Some tape from autocross numbers tends to pull it off.

-I don't want/need a really nice paintjob. This car will never be a show winner and is rarely exposed to the sun, rain, snow, etc. If I do all of the prepwork myself, how much would it cost to have someone shoot it.

-Which brand/type of paint gives the most bang for the buck?

-What type of primer should I use?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on November 08, 2008, 10:01:48 PM
Depending on how thorough and high-quality you want to restore the car, I would recommend sanding down to metal and welding in patch steel sheetmetal, similar to what you did on the rocker but minus the rivets and plus an actual weld job.  Then primer it for now and get the whole car painted when you are ready.

Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 08, 2008, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: R-inge on November 08, 2008, 10:01:48 PM
Depending on how thorough and high-quality you want to restore the car, I would recommend sanding down to metal and welding in patch steel sheetmetal, similar to what you did on the rocker but minus the rivets and plus an actual weld job.  Then primer it for now and get the whole car painted when you are ready.



I can't weld very well and my welder sucks. That rocker panel area is not for novices. I don't know how you'd do it without using filler.

This is not a restoration. I just want it to look presentable.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on November 08, 2008, 10:15:31 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 08, 2008, 10:04:09 PM
I can't weld very well and my welder sucks. That rocker panel area is not for novices. I don't know how you'd do it without using filler.

This is not a restoration. I just want it to look presentable.

As far as I know, filler is fine.  At least, I don't see a problem with it as long as what's beneath it is good enough.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on November 08, 2008, 10:15:54 PM
What kind of welder do you have anyway?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 08, 2008, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: R-inge on November 08, 2008, 10:15:54 PM
What kind of welder do you have anyway?


No gas mig.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on November 08, 2008, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on November 08, 2008, 10:16:48 PM
No gas mig.

Ouch.  MIG is great, but no gas FTL. =(
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on November 08, 2008, 10:38:10 PM
I guess that would just be a wire feed, not a "metal/inert-gas" welder.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 08, 2008, 10:39:17 PM
Quote from: R-inge on November 08, 2008, 10:38:10 PM
I guess that would just be a wire feed, not a "metal/inert-gas" welder.

Yeah. I'm just used to thinking that MIG = Wire feed.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 08, 2008, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: R-inge on November 08, 2008, 10:38:10 PM
I guess that would just be a wire feed, not a "metal/inert-gas" welder.

flux core wire. The flux produces the gas.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 08, 2008, 11:21:55 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 08, 2008, 11:17:55 PM
flux core wire. The flux produces the gas.

Flux core sucks. Splatters blobs of metal more than it welds, but I also suck at welding, so...  :huh:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 08, 2008, 11:26:49 PM
Quote from: NACar on November 08, 2008, 11:21:55 PM
Flux core sucks. Splatters blobs of metal more than it welds, but I also suck at welding, so...  :huh:

Yes, yes it does.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: JWC on November 09, 2008, 01:15:21 AM
Most agri supply stores carry sheet metal.  It would also be easier to just cut out "boxed" section of the rotted metal instead of zig-zagging.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on November 09, 2008, 06:14:56 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 08, 2008, 11:17:55 PM
flux core wire. The flux produces the gas.

Ah neat.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Minpin on November 09, 2008, 01:23:57 PM
Stick welding is the hardest for me.


MIG is easy mode.  :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 30, 2009, 09:52:26 PM
UPDATE:

I sorted out some issues this weekend.

Our raceteam got a toe gauge so I used to give my Z an alignment. I measured 1/4" TOE IN! :facepalm: I reset it at zero toe. Turn in is much sharper and steering effort is less.

I also tried to work on a persistent vibration issue. I had my wheels rebalanced today and found that I had a bent rim. I moved the bent rim to the back and most of the vibration moved with it. There is still some shimmy in the steering wheel, but I don't know how to get rid of it.

I seem to have a lack of caster in the right front. It wants to steer to the right under hard braking. I tried to shim out the compression rod on that side with some washers, but it wasn't enough. I think this was due to the previous owner's shipping company which dropped the car on its right front framerail in the process of unloading it. I may need to buy some adjustable tension rods.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 12, 2009, 10:44:09 PM
Just took the car to Hot Import Nights in Chicago. My car wasn't in the show, but I drove out there with another guy I know with a Z. I might be shown on the Speed channel. I'll post pics if I find some.

A couple of things:

1.) Fumes suck. The exhaust fume issue has been going on since these cars rolled off the lot. That classic Z shape that everyone loves has lousy aerodynamic properties. The exhaust gases get sucked back into the cabin through the rear of the car. Counterintuitively, opening the window seems to make it worse. I'm going to do some testing tomorrow with a CO detector to see if I can help it.

2.) My oil pressure sender/gauge is messed up. The needle was erratic and frequently went to 0, but my car didn't blow up.

3.) The steering wheel shimmy did not seem as bad on the way back. I wonder if I flatspotted the tires and running the car helped round them out? Maybe I got used to it.

4.) The fuel pump is really loud. Don't ever buy a 255 lph Walbro. They are the pump of choice, but they are too loud.

5.) Everyone loves an old Z. I had tons of compliments on my car even though it is not in great shape. The L28ET burble and roar is what people love most.

6.) I need to put my electric fan on an automatic switch. I'm pretty good about checking my gauges, but I'm not perfect.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 07, 2009, 08:35:37 PM
Yeah, put that electric fan on a thermostat, gosh!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: S204STi on October 08, 2009, 10:19:36 AM
Your comment about the Walbro is interesting.  I know a guy at work with one in his SE-R, and you can hear the whine from the fuel pump a mile away.  I wondered if that was a defective unit or if that was normal... apparently the latter.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 16, 2010, 06:38:26 PM
It's time to lube the muffler bearings.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Laconian on February 16, 2010, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 12, 2009, 10:44:09 PM
Just took the car to Hot Import Nights in Chicago. My car wasn't in the show, but I drove out there with another guy I know with a Z. I might be shown on the Speed channel. I'll post pics if I find some.

A couple of things:

1.) Fumes suck. The exhaust fume issue has been going on since these cars rolled off the lot. That classic Z shape that everyone loves has lousy aerodynamic properties. The exhaust gases get sucked back into the cabin through the rear of the car. Counterintuitively, opening the window seems to make it worse. I'm going to do some testing tomorrow with a CO detector to see if I can help it.

2.) My oil pressure sender/gauge is messed up. The needle was erratic and frequently went to 0, but my car didn't blow up.

3.) The steering wheel shimmy did not seem as bad on the way back. I wonder if I flatspotted the tires and running the car helped round them out? Maybe I got used to it.

4.) The fuel pump is really loud. Don't ever buy a 255 lph Walbro. They are the pump of choice, but they are too loud.

5.) Everyone loves an old Z. I had tons of compliments on my car even though it is not in great shape. The L28ET burble and roar is what people love most.

6.) I need to put my electric fan on an automatic switch. I'm pretty good about checking my gauges, but I'm not perfect.
Can you induce some kind of cabin overpressure using air taken from the front of the car? Like, add a snorkel that you can open up that will pressurize the cabin at speed?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 10, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
I just weighed the Z with Intercomp racing scales.

693       715
661       689

Total is 2758 without driver.

Those corner weights are pretty damn close. The cross weights are near 50%. I'm surprised.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: the Teuton on July 10, 2010, 06:10:50 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 10, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
I just weighed the Z with Intercomp racing scales.

693       715
661       689

Total is 2758 without driver.

Those corner weights are pretty damn close. The cross weights are near 50%. I'm surprised.

So can you make it handle like a ZR1 Corvette? Or even a 370Z?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 10, 2010, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on July 10, 2010, 06:10:50 PM
So can you make it handle like a ZR1 Corvette? Or even a 370Z?

I could.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on July 12, 2010, 07:36:06 PM
With your unfantastical all-strut suspension, I find this assertion dubious at best.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 12, 2010, 09:37:09 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 12, 2010, 07:36:06 PM
With your unfantastical all-strut suspension, I find this assertion dubious at best.

Solid rear axle RX-7s can still run with Miatas in SCCA E-production. What's your point?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on May 17, 2012, 11:26:53 PM
I ordered some new trim because the window seal lip was toast. What a bitch to get in. Reproduction trim pieces suck. It looks a bit wavy since I had to beat the hell out of it to get it seated. Oh well. It will keep water out of the door.

I also ordered some generic weatherstripping from McMaster Carr for $45. It was either do that or pay $300 buck or something ridiculous for a weatherstripping kit from Motorsport Auto. I'm tired of slamming my doors so I ordered a smaller size than the crap I put in there before.

Tomorrow I need to buy a new battery and start pulling the trans to get the clutch out of there. It's got a bad judder.

Next up is going to be a new radiator and a catalytic converter. I need to get the stink out of this car.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 16, 2012, 10:39:35 PM
The McMaster-Carr weather stripping works good. No more door slamming. Some adjustment to the window regulator and window frames allowed me to get it sealed tighter than before. It's WAY better than any $300 aftermarket kit.

I just pulled the trans out. It was all super greasy. I need to get that under control before I start a fire on the exhaust. No cat until that's fixed.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/2012-06-16_21-40-40_869.jpg)

My DXD clutch looks good, other than a couple of hot spots. I'm not sure what the judder is. I'm going to resurface and balance the flywheel and stick my old disc in there. The DXD clutch disc has bits of copper in it and feels super rough compared to the stock one.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 16, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 12, 2010, 07:36:06 PM
With your unfantastical all-strut suspension, I find this assertion dubious at best.

240/260/280Zs have been tearing up SCCA for decades now.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 16, 2012, 10:48:25 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 16, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
240/260/280Zs have been tearing up SCCA for decades now.

With enough money, you can make anything do anything.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 16, 2012, 10:54:25 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 16, 2012, 10:48:25 PM
With enough money, you can make anything do anything.


Even with struts!

BTW, if they're on the back, they're not McPherson struts anymore.

They're Chapman struts.

Yep, that Chapman.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 16, 2012, 11:10:16 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 16, 2012, 10:39:35 PM
The McMaster-Carr weather stripping works good. No more door slamming. Some adjustment to the window regulator and window frames allowed me to get it sealed tighter than before. It's WAY better than any $300 aftermarket kit.

I just pulled the trans out. It was all super greasy. I need to get that under control before I start a fire on the exhaust. No cat until that's fixed.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/2012-06-16_21-40-40_869.jpg)

My DXD clutch looks good, other than a couple of hot spots. I'm not sure what the judder is. I'm going to resurface and balance the flywheel and stick my old disc in there. The DXD clutch disc has bits of copper in it and feels super rough compared to the stock one.

What kind of weatherstripping did you get, exactly? I want to try DIY before I fart out an eighth of a paycheck on a kit specially formed for my car.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 16, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
240/260/280Zs have been tearing up SCCA for decades now.

Oh that comment is two years old, you old cock.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 16, 2012, 11:15:06 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 16, 2012, 11:10:16 PM
Oh that comment is two years old, you old cock.

Its OK, the alzheimers makes every day seem like two years ago anyways.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 16, 2012, 11:15:31 PM
http://www.mcmaster.com/#bulb-seal-weatherstripping/=i0f84a

Edge grip seals
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 29, 2012, 11:05:25 PM
Well, I'm sending my injectors out to be flow tested and cleaned. The plugs looked a bit lean.

I may also crack open the drain plug on the gas tank this winter if I don't sell it. There's a lot of shit in there that keeps plugging up the filters I put in before the pump. I need to burn more of the gas up first.

The radiator is also beat to hell. I may put a new stocker in there, just to be safe.

I don't want this car to blow up after I sell it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on October 01, 2012, 12:11:28 PM
Selling it, not selling it, selling it, not selling it, now selling it!

How much are you asking for it?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on October 03, 2012, 09:02:37 PM
$4500

No way I'm getting that much for it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on November 25, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
Dropping the tank on the Z, probably next weekend. I need to see how bad the rust is. I already drained it and didn't find much. Some spoiled gas in the bottom, but that's it.

My tank is supposed to be baffled, but it cuts out in corners below half a tank.

http://atlanticz.ca/zclub/techtips/fuel/gastank/index.htm
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 21, 2013, 10:57:36 PM
The gas tank is out. I dropped it off at the radiator shop to be blasted, coated, and tested. It has some huge dents on the bottom which may explain why I have fuel pickup problems.

I had the injectors flow tested and they looked really good. I already put them back on. I needed to reseal the fittings on my fuel rail because my buddy didnt know to use an NPT tap when he built it. :facepalm:

All in all I think I'll be glad to get rid of it. The car is too far away from where I want it to be. The chassis is a wet noodle, the handling sucks, the interior is awful, and it's uncomfortable to drive.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 21, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Yeah honestly the only cool thing about that car is the motor. Getting rid of it gives you the chance to out-weird Rupert.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 22, 2013, 12:49:49 AM
Hush your whore mouth: that car is plenty cool.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on June 22, 2013, 12:58:52 AM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 21, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Yeah honestly the only cool thing about that car is the motor. Getting rid of it gives you the chance to out-weird Rupert.

He could put the motor in a TR6...
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 22, 2013, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 21, 2013, 11:33:07 PM
Yeah honestly the only cool thing about that car is the motor. Getting rid of it gives you the chance to out-weird Rupert.

It's more cool than an old white station wagon. :huh:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 22, 2013, 09:12:08 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 22, 2013, 08:39:05 PM
It's more cool than an old white station wagon. :huh:

False. Everybody loves wagon.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 22, 2013, 09:15:30 PM
The Z turns more heads. I guarantee it.

Old American iron is pretty common. :huh:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: CALL_911 on June 22, 2013, 10:08:00 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 22, 2013, 09:15:30 PM
The Z turns more heads. I guarantee it.

Old American iron is pretty common. :huh:

Woah, you just used the 'c' word.

Chimp's gonna have the thing on craigslist by the morning
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: hotrodalex on June 22, 2013, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 22, 2013, 09:15:30 PM
The Z turns more heads. I guarantee it.

2 instead of 1?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 22, 2013, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 22, 2013, 10:08:00 PM
Woah, you just used the 'c' word.

Chimp's gonna have the thing on craigslist by the morning

This hipster affectation you've made up for me is really weird.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: hotrodalex on June 22, 2013, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 22, 2013, 10:23:21 PM
This hipster affectation you've made up for me is really weird.

I'm pretty sure 3/4 of the board has a similar view. :huh:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 22, 2013, 10:30:26 PM
Yeah, most hipsters don't think they're hipsters. :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 22, 2013, 10:50:30 PM
Yes, I like odd things, but I've never even made a suggestion that I consciously choose the weird just to make myself feel special.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 22, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
I don't know. I think the kind of guy that would notice an old Dodge wagon is exactly the same kind of guy that will notice an old Jap sports car.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: CALL_911 on June 23, 2013, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 22, 2013, 10:50:30 PM
Yes, I like odd things, but I've never even made a suggestion that I consciously choose the weird just to make myself feel special.

said every hipster that ever lived
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 23, 2013, 12:05:52 AM
So, If I like weird things, and think of myself as having hipsterish tendencies, does that by definition make me NOT a hipster?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: CALL_911 on June 23, 2013, 12:07:35 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 23, 2013, 12:05:52 AM
So, If I like weird things, and think of myself as having hipsterish tendencies, does that by definition make me NOT a hipster?

acknowledging your hipsterish tendencies is very, very not like a hipster
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 23, 2013, 12:10:50 AM
My head hurts now. This is all getting a little silly. I need to go trim my mustache and download some local experimental jazz/reggae fusion music.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 23, 2013, 12:12:17 AM
Quote from: CALL_911 on June 23, 2013, 12:04:45 AM
said every hipster that ever lived

How exactly does this personally affect you, I don't get it
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: CALL_911 on June 23, 2013, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 23, 2013, 12:12:17 AM
How exactly does this personally affect you, I don't get it

(http://audioaltimeter.com/picture/it-would-appear-that-your-jimmies-have-been-rustled.jpeg?pictureId=15904566)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 23, 2013, 12:28:51 AM
I didn't realize this whole thing bothered you so much that it breaks all images you post.
Title: Re: Re: Project Z
Post by: CALL_911 on June 23, 2013, 08:51:48 AM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on June 23, 2013, 12:28:51 AM
I didn't realize this whole thing bothered you so much that it breaks all images you post.

Irascible hipster tries to diss me!
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Cookie Monster on June 23, 2013, 11:19:25 AM
I've never thought of Chimp as a hipster. Maybe it's because I've never seen him with skinny jeans, a fixie and huge black plastic frame glasses.

Liking weird things does not make you a hipster. :huh:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on June 23, 2013, 11:39:53 AM
Only a hipster would say that. <_<

But really, liking things ironically /= genuinely liking weird things.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 23, 2013, 11:42:38 AM
Quote from: Rupert on June 23, 2013, 11:39:53 AM
Only a hipster would say that. <_<

But really, liking things ironically /= genuinely liking weird things.

There's no such thing as liking things ironically.

You're either embarrassed about liking things you like and use irony as a cover, or you're just trying to fit in by saying you like things ironically.

Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: hotrodalex on June 23, 2013, 12:39:35 PM
There's also a big difference between real hipsters and wanna-be hipsters.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 23, 2013, 12:39:35 PM
There's also a big difference between real hipsters and wanna-be hipsters.

You make it sound like its difficult. I think you're taking the folklore a bit too far.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: hotrodalex on June 23, 2013, 05:51:28 PM
There's folklore about hipsters? :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 05:52:34 PM
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 23, 2013, 05:51:28 PM
There's folklore about hipsters? :lol:

Sounds like you guys are making it up as you go.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 23, 2013, 06:28:02 PM
Quote from: hotrodalex on June 23, 2013, 05:51:28 PM
There's folklore about hipsters? :lol:

There is, but you've probably never heard of it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on June 23, 2013, 09:10:41 PM
One last thing I want to do before I sell it is replace the radiator. O Reilly's has the stock rad for $150, so I figure I'll throw that on there since it was getting pretty toasty and the damn thing has been repaired twice.

I also want to add in a thermostat fan switch. I had a Derale adjustable probe unit, but it failed on me, so its just on a switch now.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 07, 2013, 09:47:24 PM
I didn't do any of that shit, but the tank is back in, it runs, and it's time for us to part ways:

http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/3899940129.html (http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/3899940129.html)
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Secret Chimp on July 07, 2013, 10:45:48 PM
Okay shit, I had no idea it was in such good condition cosmetically. You made it sound like a crumbly dustpile.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 07, 2013, 10:54:51 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 07, 2013, 10:45:48 PM
Okay shit, I had no idea it was in such good condition cosmetically. You made it sound like a crumbly dustpile.

Seriously, its not. If I had the cash on hand, a spare spot in the garage, and ever thought I'd get time for it, I'd buy it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: CALL_911 on July 07, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on July 07, 2013, 10:45:48 PM
Okay shit, I had no idea it was in such good condition cosmetically. You made it sound like a crumbly dustpile.

+1
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Cookie Monster on July 08, 2013, 08:54:23 AM
Yeah, that looks great dude.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on July 10, 2013, 04:48:45 PM
Yeep. Seems like it should go pretty fast at that price.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 10, 2013, 07:32:22 PM
Soup needs to sell his Cadillac first.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on July 11, 2013, 12:04:12 PM
No phone number in CL listing. How the hell am I supposed to call and ask you questions(that are answered in the listing) and then offer you 1400 dollars for it.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on August 04, 2013, 12:52:26 PM
I made a crappy video so buyers can see the car run:

1976 280Z Turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUHl3w_cbI#)

Made a pull up to about 100 mph. Sure doesn't look that fast, but it feels like you're going about 200 in a car this old and rickety. :lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 04, 2013, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on July 10, 2013, 07:32:22 PM
Soup needs to sell his Cadillac first.

That may happen this week. I'll see.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 04, 2013, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 04, 2013, 12:52:26 PM
I made a crappy video so buyers can see the car run:

1976 280Z Turbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUHl3w_cbI#)

Made a pull up to about 100 mph. Sure doesn't look that fast, but it feels like you're going about 200 in a car this old and rickety. :lol:

Hmm, sounds like it's got some bottom end noise. What's the least you'll take for it? Will you pick up the shipping too?


:lol:
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: 280Z Turbo on August 04, 2013, 02:15:16 PM
Fuck anybody that asks that question. I'm not telling you the least I'll take. That's not how bartering works.
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 04, 2013, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on August 04, 2013, 02:15:16 PM
Fuck anybody that asks that question. I'm not telling you the least I'll take. That's not how bartering works.

Okay, let's say I offer you 1000 dollars more than your bottom dollar. What would that offer be?
Title: Re: Project Z
Post by: Rupert on August 08, 2013, 01:12:37 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 23, 2013, 11:42:38 AM
There's no such thing as liking things ironically.

You're either embarrassed about liking things you like and use irony as a cover, or you're just trying to fit in by saying you like things ironically.

Though you can like things because they are ironic.