(https://i.postimg.cc/nzr8CQn5/FJUd-Kq7-WUAE4-Gk2.jpg)
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/5487275/ (https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/5487275/)
Looks like it was sourced here (note the guy who put this together likes Tesla & is therefore suspect :lol: ).
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/all-reports/ (https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/all-reports/)
Infiniti should give up IMO. JLR maybe should give up on Jag too: they have Land Rover, which has worth.
why is tesla on this list
Well, Alfa has room to grow :-D.
Looks like Jag is in big trouble, too.
Quote from: Rich on January 17, 2022, 12:17:06 PM
why is tesla on this list
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 17, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
Electricity is a luxury
The price points of the Tesla models are very similar to Lexus, BMW, etc. Lexus ES for example starts at around 40 thousand and Tesla Model S and Model X are more expensive than majority of other luxury cars. Also, I don't think people cross shop Tesla with 4 cylinder Camcords and the like.
Quote from: veeman on January 18, 2022, 10:04:34 AM
The price points of the Tesla models are very similar to Lexus, BMW, etc. Lexus ES for example starts at around 40 thousand and Tesla Model S and Model X are more expensive than majority of other luxury cars. Also, I don't think people cross shop Tesla with 4 cylinder Camcords and the like.
A friend of mine literally just cancelled their Tesla order and bought a 335i.
cost =/ luxury.
People buying a lotus ain't cross shopping it with a camry either. Or, for that mater a Big Horny Ranch® truck.
It looks like the the continued dilution of BMW brand over the last decade has not negatively affected sales. Plus 1 for the bean counters. I hope Audi does not start taking pages out of that playbook. What Audi really needs is new designs for their Audi SUVs. The Q7 should be larger. I know that sounds sacrilege but that's what people want.
Quote from: Rich on January 18, 2022, 10:21:01 AM
cost =/ luxury.
People buying a lotus ain't cross shopping it with a camry either. Or, for that mater a Big Horny Ranch® truck.
If they didn't include Tesla on this list, it would not explain why to a large extent many of the "other" luxury brands are stagnant or have progressively decreasing sales over the last several years.
If you don't want to include a 100 grand model S as a luxury car because it's interior is spartan and the ride is not luxurious, that's legitimate.
This chart is much more informative with Tesla included.
I guess you could label the chart as Luxury cars vs Tesla vs Porsche vs Buick or something like that.
Quote from: veeman on January 18, 2022, 10:32:39 AM
I guess you could label the chart as Luxury cars vs Tesla vs Porsche vs Buick or something like that.
I think we need a chart of Jeep XJs versus all vehicles.
Quote from: veeman on January 18, 2022, 10:32:39 AM
I guess you could label the chart as Luxury cars vs Tesla vs Porsche vs Buick or something like that.
I've renamed the thread - Premium Brands... to match the chart.
Quote from: Morris Minor on January 18, 2022, 11:28:24 AM
I've renamed the thread - Premium Brands... to match the chart.
It's not you, it's the chart... they consider tesla luxury.
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I get it, an electric vehicle can be a luxury: it's quiet, you don't need to fill up at gas stations, it accelerates quickly.
But nothing about a Tesla interior looks luxurious on the inside, and the build quality surely isn't.
On the west coast, a lot of folks that would have bought BMWs and M-Bs are buying Teslas instead.
They might not seem luxurious, but the buyers consider them to be an adequate luxury substitute..
Whatever you want to call them, its pretty clear Teslas are being sold to people that would have otherwise bought a traditional luxury brand.
Normal cars are pretty damn luxurious these days. Real luxury cars are so ridiculously luxurious that it's almost too much for anybody. People buy the badge more than the actual luxury. Tesla is a premium badge because they are expensive and you have to order one.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 18, 2022, 12:38:54 PM
Normal cars are pretty damn luxurious these days. Real luxury cars are so ridiculously luxurious that it's almost too much for anybody. People buy the badge more than the actual luxury. Tesla is a premium badge because they are expensive and you have to order one.
Maybe it should be called the Status Symbol comparison.
Quote from: RomanChariot on January 18, 2022, 12:55:39 PM
Maybe it should be called the Status Symbol comparison.
Then you'd have to include $80,000 lifted heavy duty pickups in the comparison. :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 18, 2022, 12:57:29 PM
Then you'd have to include $80,000 lifted heavy duty pickups in the comparison. :lol:
That's status amongst a different crowd; but neither of you are wrong.
Quote from: RomanChariot on January 18, 2022, 12:55:39 PM
Maybe it should be called the Status Symbol comparison.
I'm not sure how driving a white base model 3 just like everyone else is considered a status symbol..
Quote from: NomisR on January 21, 2022, 02:24:52 PM
I'm not sure how driving a white base model 3 just like everyone else is considered a status symbol..
You could say the same thing about a M-B CLA or an Audi A3 :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 21, 2022, 02:30:13 PM
You could say the same thing about a M-B CLA or an Audi A3 :lol:
At least they're more varied in colors, although it's usually a variety of grey tones.
I'm shocked how many people are too cheap to get a non-white Tesla
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 21, 2022, 04:49:59 PM
I'm shocked how many people are too cheap to get a non-white Tesla
Most of these people are getting the base model with no add ons.. and judging from the groups and forums, it's the "best car they've ever owned" with 7 year car loan.. so $1000 would be a lot to tack on top of that..
What's the premium of driving something that doesn't look like a refrigerator?
Did cars from the Big 3 have a status in Detroit in their heyday? I'm curious if Teslas in Silicon Valley might also have a bit of hometown pride status that isn't as diminished when everyone has one, like other luxury products. Although luxury tech like iPhones and airpods still have decent status even if tons of people have them.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 21, 2022, 04:49:59 PM
I'm shocked how many people are too cheap to get a non-white Tesla
Sometimes, even though the overall added cost is a small percentage of the vehicle price, people don't want to pay extra for paint. There's a feeling that a customer shouldn't get charged "extra" for something that should be included in the price.
Personally I wouldn't pay an extra $1000 or even $500 for a different paint color on a car. Especially when what you get is not some hifi exotic paint color or quality.
Most other manufacturers don't make you pay extra for their paint color options except for "tricoat" white. Which is kinda interesting because the Tesla white is their only "free" one.
My friend got a white Model Y, which she wrapped in a matte pearl vinyl.
Quote from: Laconian on January 26, 2022, 03:32:13 PM
My friend got a white Model Y, which she wrapped in a matte pearl vinyl.
My brother in law, who has a grey model S, wanted to wrap his car. I think I convinced him not to do it. I said that it would look like crap in a few years. I also said that the only cars I ever see wrapped are Lambos, Audi R8s, and Teslas and the Lambos and R8s which are wrapped are usually owned by young punk kids who have very rich Dads.
Quote from: veeman on January 26, 2022, 03:57:57 PM
My brother in law, who has a grey model S, wanted to wrap his car. I think I convinced him not to do it. I said that it would look like crap in a few years. I also said that the only cars I ever see wrapped are Lambos, Audi R8s, and Teslas and the Lambos and R8s which are wrapped are usually owned by young punk kids who have very rich Dads.
Here's a wrap for you then; its my cousin's
car.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/c8-corvette-superhero-wrap-would-make-captain-america-proud-144998.html
BTW, lots of wraps go pretty low profile, and might not have been noticed.
That's a great wrap.
Lots of Teslas get wrapped. Terrible paint quality and lack of color choices makes them prime candidates for wraps. I was next to a model 3 with a matte metallic blue the other day. It was obnoxious, but I liked it.
Quote from: MrH on January 27, 2022, 07:20:32 AM
Lots of Teslas get wrapped. Terrible paint quality and lack of color choices makes them prime candidates for wraps. I was next to a model 3 with a matte metallic blue the other day. It was obnoxious, but I liked it.
Also because they charge sometimes $1500 or even $2000 for a particular paint color option. A wrap might be twice that cost.
Quote from: veeman on January 27, 2022, 07:53:18 AM
Also because they charge sometimes $1500 or even $2000 for a particular paint color option. A wrap might be twice that cost.
Yeah, my paint option was $1000 more which isn't bad, but now it's a free option so it's going to be more common.. i'm a bit annoyed by that.
The trofeo white tri-coat paint on my Alfa was $2,200
Quote from: r0tor on January 28, 2022, 03:49:49 PM
The trofeo white tri-coat paint on my Alfa was $2,200
Damn good looking car, in either white...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eui_CDSManQ
The look at night under street lights is just magic