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Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: Fire It Up on June 05, 2005, 09:06:16 AM
Click (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Articles/articleId=105919)
I say, "rejoice!"
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: giant_mtb on June 05, 2005, 09:07:03 AM
Sad.  :P  
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: BMWDave on June 05, 2005, 09:20:28 AM
I dont know if this is the right idea...GM should spend time making Buick a unique division, instead of displaying their usual "dump it" strategy.
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: ifcar on June 05, 2005, 09:29:31 AM
QuoteI dont know if this is the right idea...GM should spend time making Buick a unique division, instead of displaying their usual "dump it" strategy.
They're only dumping the Ranier, which is just one of many clones, and the Rendezvous, which does have the potential for improvement, but only when a better platform arrives. And if GM develops a good SUV platform, the Rendezvous would only be one of many vehicles on it anyway.

Neither of those models are particularly important to Buick.  
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: BMWDave on June 05, 2005, 09:34:07 AM
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QuoteI dont know if this is the right idea...GM should spend time making Buick a unique division, instead of displaying their usual "dump it" strategy.
They're only dumping the Ranier, which is just one of many clones, and the Rendezvous, which does have the potential for improvement, but only when a better platform arrives. And if GM develops a good SUV platform, the Rendezvous would only be one of many vehicles on it anyway.

Neither of those models are particularly important to Buick.
My point was that Buick should have more vehicles than GM is giving them...I personally think they should kill the clones, but hell, you should replace them with something that makes Buick unique.
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: giant_mtb on June 05, 2005, 09:36:41 AM
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QuoteI dont know if this is the right idea...GM should spend time making Buick a unique division, instead of displaying their usual "dump it" strategy.
They're only dumping the Ranier, which is just one of many clones, and the Rendezvous, which does have the potential for improvement, but only when a better platform arrives. And if GM develops a good SUV platform, the Rendezvous would only be one of many vehicles on it anyway.

Neither of those models are particularly important to Buick.
My point was that Buick should have more vehicles than GM is giving them...I personally think they should kill the clones, but hell, you should replace them with something that makes Buick unique.
I agree...
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: ifcar on June 05, 2005, 09:41:40 AM
A unique Buick SUV wouldn't be worth the expense.  
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: BMWDave on June 05, 2005, 09:44:54 AM
QuoteA unique Buick SUV wouldn't be worth the expense.
Would making Buick a unique brand be worth the expense?
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: ifcar on June 05, 2005, 09:48:41 AM
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QuoteA unique Buick SUV wouldn't be worth the expense.
Would making Buick a unique brand be worth the expense?
Depends on how far unique you need to go. I'd say that platform sharing is fine, as long as other aspects change. For example, I don't think anyone would say that the Grand Prix and LaCrosse are cannibalizing each others' sales, but they share a platform and powertrain.
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: Fire It Up on June 05, 2005, 10:08:28 AM
I still dont understand what GM is tryin to do with Buick...its for old people and middle aged people at the same time. Its wannabeluxury yet mainstream at the same time.  
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: Fire It Up on June 05, 2005, 10:20:57 AM
:cough:ifcargivemeanexplanation:cough:
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: ifcar on June 05, 2005, 10:36:31 AM
Buick has basically settled in between Chevrolet (mainstream) and Cadillac (luxury), and is attempting to attract buyers of all ages who shop there. By killing off the very low-priced Century, they are trying to work their way upmarket to basically Cadillac levels, where Cadillac will be sporty luxury and Buick will be mainstream luxury for less money.
To put this in SAT form for BMWDave's benefit, Cadillac:BMW::Buick:Lexus.
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: Fire It Up on June 05, 2005, 11:06:59 AM
QuoteBuick has basically settled in between Chevrolet (mainstream) and Cadillac (luxury), and is attempting to attract buyers of all ages who shop there. By killing off the very low-priced Century, they are trying to work their way upmarket to basically Cadillac levels, where Cadillac will be sporty luxury and Buick will be mainstream luxury for less money.
To put this in SAT form for BMWDave's benefit, Cadillac:BMW::Buick:Lexus.
Doesnt Lexus:BMW?
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: Fire It Up on June 05, 2005, 11:07:30 AM
Ah double post.
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: ifcar on June 05, 2005, 11:28:49 AM
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QuoteBuick has basically settled in between Chevrolet (mainstream) and Cadillac (luxury), and is attempting to attract buyers of all ages who shop there. By killing off the very low-priced Century, they are trying to work their way upmarket to basically Cadillac levels, where Cadillac will be sporty luxury and Buick will be mainstream luxury for less money.
To put this in SAT form for BMWDave's benefit, Cadillac:BMW::Buick:Lexus.
Doesnt Lexus:BMW?
If I'm wrong, please forgive my limited memory of those worthless analogies, but I believe "Cadillac:BMW::Buick:Lexus" would be the same as "Cadillac:Buick::BMW:Lexus".  
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: BMWDave on June 05, 2005, 11:52:17 AM
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QuoteBuick has basically settled in between Chevrolet (mainstream) and Cadillac (luxury), and is attempting to attract buyers of all ages who shop there. By killing off the very low-priced Century, they are trying to work their way upmarket to basically Cadillac levels, where Cadillac will be sporty luxury and Buick will be mainstream luxury for less money.
To put this in SAT form for BMWDave's benefit, Cadillac:BMW::Buick:Lexus.
Doesnt Lexus:BMW?
If I'm wrong, please forgive my limited memory of those worthless analogies, but I believe "Cadillac:BMW::Buick:Lexus" would be the same as "Cadillac:Buick::BMW:Lexus".
Nope.  By writing it the second way you are saying that Cadillac is to Buick, as BMW is to Lexus.  The first way you wrote it was correct.
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: ifcar on June 05, 2005, 11:59:58 AM
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QuoteBuick has basically settled in between Chevrolet (mainstream) and Cadillac (luxury), and is attempting to attract buyers of all ages who shop there. By killing off the very low-priced Century, they are trying to work their way upmarket to basically Cadillac levels, where Cadillac will be sporty luxury and Buick will be mainstream luxury for less money.
To put this in SAT form for BMWDave's benefit, Cadillac:BMW::Buick:Lexus.
Doesnt Lexus:BMW?
If I'm wrong, please forgive my limited memory of those worthless analogies, but I believe "Cadillac:BMW::Buick:Lexus" would be the same as "Cadillac:Buick::BMW:Lexus".
Nope.  By writing it the second way you are saying that Cadillac is to Buick, as BMW is to Lexus.  The first way you wrote it was correct.
Cadillac is to Buick as BMW is to Lexus, both sides have a higher-priced sportier brand, and both sides have a lower-priced luxury-oriented brand.  
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: Tom on June 05, 2005, 02:03:59 PM
So long, mediocre "SUVs"
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: R33 GT-R on June 06, 2005, 08:06:19 AM
Crap on the utes, Buick needs to bring back the Grand National.  Boo Ya!
Title: Buicks to be killed
Post by: GMPenguin on June 06, 2005, 09:21:56 AM
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QuoteI dont know if this is the right idea...GM should spend time making Buick a unique division, instead of displaying their usual "dump it" strategy.
They're only dumping the Ranier, which is just one of many clones, and the Rendezvous, which does have the potential for improvement, but only when a better platform arrives. And if GM develops a good SUV platform, the Rendezvous would only be one of many vehicles on it anyway.

Neither of those models are particularly important to Buick.
Exactly, they're the two crappiest cars in Buicks lineup, not too big of a deal if they discontinue them.