Final nail in Phaeton's coffin: Piech out from VW

Started by 12,000 RPM, April 25, 2015, 01:27:24 PM

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O the tangled webs woven at Volks...

http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-chairman-piech-loses-his-head-in-bid-to-take-1700170706#kxsegs=o7mp4e3md,o9i68fk9g,pexi6me2k

Someone very aptly compared this to the Porsche/VW saga. "He thought he was doing it... but he wasnt really doing it"
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cawimmer430

I can't wait until this is turned into a soap opera on TV!  :rockon:

Anthony Hopkins should play Piech!
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Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 26, 2015, 06:04:51 AM
I can't wait until this is turned into a soap opera on TV!  :rockon:

Anthony Hopkins should play Piech!
:lol:

I dont think there is a writing staff on earth that could come up with the plot twists VWAG has undergone over the last 20 years. You seriously can't make this stuff up. I guess a recap soap opera/movie would be interesting. ESPECIALLY if Piech had creative control. The dude has 14 kids and over 4 baby mamas
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r0tor

I'm wondering if I should unload my VAG stock... Piech has been good to me
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Only dead weight at VW is their cheap brands... Porsche, Audi, Bentley etc are uber profitable and growing, VWAG will continue to generate shareholder value, especially without Piech's pet projects like the Phaeton
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AltinD

There would have been no Bentley Continental GT (and later the Flying Spur) without the VW Phaeton. The former was just a restyled and turbo-ed version of the later. Even without the Phaeton, the same engineering and the R&D costs would have been spent anyway.

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Rich

Quote from: AltinD on April 27, 2015, 03:34:17 AM
There would have been no Bentley Continental GT (and later the Flying Spur) without the VW Phaeton. The former was just a restyled and turbo-ed version of the later. Even without the Phaeton, the same engineering and the R&D costs would have been spent anyway.

they have plenty of other chassis to chose from for this stuff.
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Quote from: AltinD on April 27, 2015, 03:34:17 AM
There would have been no Bentley Continental GT (and later the Flying Spur) without the VW Phaeton. The former was just a restyled and turbo-ed version of the later. Even without the Phaeton, the same engineering and the R&D costs would have been spent anyway.
Phaetons/Continental GTs are just steel Audi A8s. Continental GT was a no brainer, it was going to happen with or without the Phaeton as ditching coachbuilding + sharing a platform would drop the price considerably while not really hurting profit. Phaeton was completely unnecessary
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cawimmer430

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 26, 2015, 08:20:11 AM
:lol:

I dont think there is a writing staff on earth that could come up with the plot twists VWAG has undergone over the last 20 years. You seriously can't make this stuff up. I guess a recap soap opera/movie would be interesting. ESPECIALLY if Piech had creative control. The dude has 14 kids and over 4 baby mamas

It's probably possible if we hire the writers who wrote for excellent TV shows like The Mentalist, Person of Interest etc.  :praise:
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Madman

Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 26, 2015, 06:04:51 AM
I can't wait until this is turned into a soap opera on TV!  :rockon:

Anthony Hopkins should play Piech!


Now that you mention it, they DO look a lot alike!

I think it would work.  After all, Hollywood has a long history of casting British actors to play German baddies.  :lol:
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Quote from: Madman on April 27, 2015, 11:32:19 AM

Now that you mention it, they DO look a lot alike!

I think it would work.  After all, Hollywood has a long history of casting British actors to play German baddies.  :lol:

:lol:
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Quote from: Madman on April 27, 2015, 11:32:19 AM

Now that you mention it, they DO look a lot alike!

I think it would work.  After all, Hollywood has a long history of casting British actors to play German baddies.  :lol:
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Two of Piëch's nieces, Louise Kiesling, and Julia Kuhn-Piëch, will take over the position he and his wife had.

AltinD

Quote from: HotRodPilot on April 27, 2015, 03:44:15 AM
they have plenty of other chassis to chose from for this stuff.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 27, 2015, 04:50:05 AM
Phaetons/Continental GTs are just steel Audi A8s. Continental GT was a no brainer, it was going to happen with or without the Phaeton as ditching coachbuilding + sharing a platform would drop the price considerably while not really hurting profit. Phaeton was completely unnecessary

The Bentley Continental GT IS a VW Phaeton, not merely using the same platform .... which is BTW, not related to the Audi A8. BTW, the Phaeton came before the Audi A8 D3


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AltinD

And of course, VW has confirmed that the next generation Phaeton will be back in USA.

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Madman

Quote from: AltinD on May 12, 2015, 05:33:13 AM
And of course, VW has confirmed that the next generation Phaeton will be back in USA.


Yeah, because that worked out so well last time.

Why does VW insist upon sending us a car nobody wants and even fewer will buy?

Meanwhile, you still can't buy a Polo, Up, Scriocco or any VW van over here.  :facepalm:
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"I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses." - Johannes Kepler

"One of the most cowardly things ordinary people do is to shut their eyes to facts." - C.S. Lewis

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Aside from the AWD, Subaru is doing damn near everything VW is supposed to be. Everyone who wants a small VW CUV, which is probably the biggest gaping hole in their lineup, most likely ends up in a Forester or CX-5. It's only going to get worse with the CX-3 and HR-V.
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SJ_GTI

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 12, 2015, 07:03:25 AM
Aside from the AWD, Subaru is doing damn near everything VW is supposed to be. Everyone who wants a small VW CUV, which is probably the biggest gaping hole in their lineup, most likely ends up in a Forester or CX-5. It's only going to get worse with the CX-3 and HR-V.

Huh? You want them to make something smaller than the Tiguan?  :confused:

I mean, I guess they could...but I don't think tat is a "gaping hole."  :huh:

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Quote from: SJ_GTI on May 12, 2015, 07:55:32 AM
Huh? You want them to make something smaller than the Tiguan?  :confused:

I mean, I guess they could...but I don't think tat is a "gaping hole."  :huh:
Tiguan is not competitive. Overpriced and not very practical
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Char

Quote from: 565 on December 26, 2012, 09:13:44 AM
... Nissan needs to use these shocks on the GT-R.  It would be like the Incredible Hulk wielding Thor's hammer.... unstoppable.

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giant_mtb

Quote from: AltinD on May 12, 2015, 05:31:21 AM
The Bentley Continental GT IS a VW Phaeton, not merely using the same platform .... which is BTW, not related to the Audi A8. BTW, the Phaeton came before the Audi A8 D3



That's gotta be one of the best looking Audis ever in my book.  I love those.

Char

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 14, 2015, 06:16:42 AM
That's gotta be one of the best looking Audis ever in my book.  I love those.

That looks like a 3 or 4 generation old Audi A4/6/VW Passat. It's terribly boring and anonymous and not in a good way (like a Honda Accord)
Quote from: 565 on December 26, 2012, 09:13:44 AM
... Nissan needs to use these shocks on the GT-R.  It would be like the Incredible Hulk wielding Thor's hammer.... unstoppable.

AltinD

Quote from: Char on May 14, 2015, 12:14:51 PM
That looks like a 3 or 4 generation old Audi A4/6/VW Passat. It's terribly boring and anonymous and not in a good way (like a Honda Accord)

That's the D3 )previous generation) Audi A8 that came out at the end of 2002 (I think US sales started in mid-2003)

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giant_mtb

Quote from: Char on May 14, 2015, 12:14:51 PM
That looks like a 3 or 4 generation old Audi A4/6/VW Passat. It's terribly boring and anonymous and not in a good way (like a Honda Accord)

That is your opinion. You can have it.

Char

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 18, 2015, 09:51:05 AM
That is your opinion. You can have it.

No, that's OUR opinion. You'll be converted soon enough.
Quote from: 565 on December 26, 2012, 09:13:44 AM
... Nissan needs to use these shocks on the GT-R.  It would be like the Incredible Hulk wielding Thor's hammer.... unstoppable.

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Quote from: Char on May 18, 2015, 12:42:15 PM
No, that's OUR opinion. You'll be converted soon enough.
U have dissociative personality disorder too? O boy.
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giant_mtb

Quote from: Char on May 18, 2015, 12:42:15 PM
No, that's OUR opinion. You'll be converted soon enough.

Okay, uhhh. Whether I'm addressing a group or an individual, the word "your" still applies just fine.  Not sure what your point is here or whose mouth you're putting words into, but...carry on...? :wtf:

Char

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 18, 2015, 03:11:02 PM
Okay, uhhh. Whether I'm addressing a group or an individual, the word "your" still applies just fine.  Not sure what your point is here or whose mouth you're putting words into, but...carry on...? :wtf:

Sshhh, just agree with me. Things go much easier when you allow me to do the thinking for you.
Quote from: 565 on December 26, 2012, 09:13:44 AM
... Nissan needs to use these shocks on the GT-R.  It would be like the Incredible Hulk wielding Thor's hammer.... unstoppable.

giant_mtb

Quote from: Char on May 18, 2015, 05:55:53 PM
Sshhh, just agree with me. Things go much easier when you allow me to do the thinking for you.

:lol: