I bought a 4Runner

[Lebowski]

My understanding is it's on the same platform, though most doubt that it'll get the same engine.  That said, with the land cruiser discontinued in NA as a Toyota, that gives them some room to move the 4Runner upmarket a bit IMO.

[NomisR]

My understanding is it's on the same platform, though most doubt that it'll get the same engine.  That said, with the land cruiser discontinued in NA as a Toyota, that gives them some room to move the 4Runner upmarket a bit IMO.

Isn't Sequoia the more Land Cruiser/LX North America equivalent for Toyota whereas the 4Runner is the Land Cruiser Prado/GX NA equivalent?  It wouldn't make a lot of sense since the GX and 4Runner are already close enough in price, to make it more expensive would cannibalize each other's sales.

[Soup DeVille]

Isn't Sequoia the more Land Cruiser/LX North America equivalent for Toyota whereas the 4Runner is the Land Cruiser Prado/GX NA equivalent?  It wouldn't make a lot of sense since the GX and 4Runner are already close enough in price, to make it more expensive would cannibalize each other's sales.

The LX was the Land Cruiser Amazon, and the GX is the Land Cruiser Prado. The Sequoia is NA only and is based on the Tundra pickup platform; less expensive but larger than the Land Cruiser.

The big difference is the Sequoia is a much better tow vehicle.

[NomisR]

The LX was the Land Cruiser Amazon, and the GX is the Land Cruiser Prado. The Sequoia is NA only and is based on the Tundra pickup platform; less expensive but larger than the Land Cruiser.

The big difference is the Sequoia is a much better tow vehicle.

Yeah, but i mean they basically fit in the same category more or less.  Sequoia is definitely more "Merican"..

[Soup DeVille]

Yeah, but i mean they basically fit in the same category more or less.  Sequoia is definitely more "Merican"..

Definitely- As far as I know only sold in NA, and for the most part, well adapted to what buyers said they wanted in a large SUV.

[Lebowski]

Isn't Sequoia the more Land Cruiser/LX North America equivalent for Toyota whereas the 4Runner is the Land Cruiser Prado/GX NA equivalent?  It wouldn't make a lot of sense since the GX and 4Runner are already close enough in price, to make it more expensive would cannibalize each other's sales.

The Sequoia is a different market I think, more akin to a Suburban ... more passenger space and towing etc.  The third row in both the 4runner and LC is more for occasional use (my 4runner has no third row, and I wouldn't want one in an SUV in this size range). 

As for cannibalizing the GX, I think there's a subset of people who want the Lexus/luxury badge, and aren't going to buy a mainstreamer brand.  GX is ancient, too.

[Soup DeVille]

The third row in the LC was as usable as any other 3rd row seat I've seen in anything smaller than a Suburban. 4Runner 3rd rows are. damned tight. (Mine does not have one)

[Lebowski]

Interesting, I haven't sat in one but for some reason thought it was tight. My main beef with the LC third row is the way they fold up to the side, and are not (easily) removable.

[MrH]

Mine had one.   It was the smallest third row I've ever seen in a vehicle (not counting Model Y).

[Soup DeVille]

Interesting, I haven't sat in one but for some reason thought it was tight. My main beef with the LC third row is the way they fold up to the side, and are not (easily) removable.

They're easy enough to remove; but folded up they never stayed "tight." The tie-down straps they came with were hokey.

[MX793]

The third row in the LC was as usable as any other 3rd row seat I've seen in anything smaller than a Suburban. 4Runner 3rd rows are. damned tight. (Mine does not have one)

Makes me wonder how tight the 3rd row in older RAV4s was.  They aren't large vehicles.  Mine has a nice covered storage well where the 3rd row would have been if so equipped.

[NomisR]

Mine had one.   It was the smallest third row I've ever seen in a vehicle (not counting Model Y).

It's smaller than the Defender's?  Because that one was damn small.