Rabbit wouldn't start with a new battery. Having a date night at the mall like teenagers
Symptoms?
No crank or no start?
Quote from: MX793 on March 28, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
No crank or no start?
According to one of the insurance companies' commercials, your battery is dead if the car cranks but doesn't start. :hammerhead:
No crank, no turnover. Something electric for
is the battery cable tight
That happened to me with my A4 once...super weird and freaked me out. I disconnected/connected the battery and it fired right up. Start with the basics and pray. :mask:
Got power to lights/radio and stuff? Normal warning lights?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 28, 2017, 05:22:06 PM
Rabbit wouldn't start with a new battery. Having a date night at the mall like teenagers
Did you have to get it towed?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on March 28, 2017, 06:02:03 PM
According to one of the insurance companies' commercials, your battery is dead if the car cranks but doesn't start. :hammerhead:
Well, if the car cranks too slowly to start, that can also be a "dead" battery.
Are these 2.5's T-belt like the 2.slow?
Quote from: 2o6 on March 28, 2017, 07:44:36 PM
Are these 2.5's T-belt like the 2.slow?
No, they're chain.
My money's on electrical gremlin, since that's what VW does best.
It knows you're trying to replace it.
Must be awesome sitting behind the wheel of that Euro POS pretending to drive while the car is actually being towed... :devil:
:lol:
Speaking of potential dead batteries, what causes them? I mean are there really that many electronic devices in modern cars which mysteriously use so much battery power when the car is not being driven?
Our old ex-2002 Mercedes E320 W211 once had a dead battery. Happened during the winter after the car had not been driven for almost two weeks.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 29, 2017, 02:39:05 AM
Must be awesome sitting behind the wheel of that Euro POS pretending to drive while the car is actually being towed... :devil:
:lol:
Speaking of potential dead batteries, what causes them? I mean are there really that many electronic devices in modern cars which mysteriously use so much battery power when the car is not being driven?
Our old ex-2002 Mercedes E320 W211 once had a dead battery. Happened during the winter after the car had not been driven for almost two weeks.
The CEL always being on probably
It IS a VW after all
Quote from: 68_427 on March 29, 2017, 02:54:26 AM
The CEL always being on probably
It IS a VW after all
It is really weird how Volkswagen has a sketchy quality reputation, but Skoda, one of their umbrella brands, enjoys a reputation for amazing build quality and reliability. Essentially, Skodas
are VWs with different badges! :mask:
Skodas aren't sold in the US
Prognosis:
Dead starter
Also, leaking vacuum pump (common problem, oil leak, why does it need a vacuum pump???), torn CV joints (I knew they weren't in great shape but they weren't clicking), needs belts and possibly an idler pulley, as well as brakes (which I knew and have sitting in the garage) and tires soon (also knew)
VW dealer wants 3Gs.... fuck that. I called up an independent shop and their price to replace the starter was half the price. Just have to get it towed over
Generally, you need a vacuum pump if the engine doesn't pull enough vacuum to power the brakes. If it ls a turbo, a diesel, or just a really good flowing engine, it needs one.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 29, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
Prognosis:
Also, leaking vacuum pump (common problem, oil leak, why does it need a vacuum pump???), torn CV joints (I knew they weren't in great shape but they weren't clicking), needs belts and possibly an idler pulley, as well as brakes (which I knew and have sitting in the garage) and tires soon (also knew)
VW dealer wants 3Gs.... fuck that. I called up an independent shop and their price to replace the starter was half the price. Just have to get it towed over
Did the dealer give you an estimate for all of the above?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on March 29, 2017, 05:29:07 PM
Generally, you need a vacuum pump if the engine doesn't pull enough vacuum to power the brakes. If it ls a turbo, a diesel, or just a really good flowing engine, it needs one.
They make a vacuum pump delete kit for the 2.5 that has got good reviews. I can't see why this wouldn't pull enough vacuum.
The shop I'm looking to tow to specializes in VWAG so I imagine they'd have no problem putting the delete kit on. Needless cost + chance for failure.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 29, 2017, 05:52:46 PM
They make a vacuum pump delete kit for the 2.5 that has got good reviews. I can't see why this wouldn't pull enough vacuum.
The shop I'm looking to tow to specializes in VWAG so I imagine they'd have no problem putting the delete kit on. Needless cost + chance for failure.
Knowing VW, they put it on there for the one time out of a thousand it might be slightly low on vacuum.
Quote from: Rich on March 29, 2017, 03:49:53 AM
Skodas aren't sold in the US
I know, but here in Europe they have a great reputation for quality and reliability. They're often above VW and Seat!
It's weird since they're literally the same cars. Same engines, transmissions, electronics etc.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 29, 2017, 06:13:38 PM
I know, but here in Europe they have a great reputation for quality and reliability. They're often above VW and Seat!
It's weird since they're literally the same cars. Same engines, transmissions, electronics etc.
Well, according to you BMW and VW have great reputations for reliability in Europe. And they don't in the IS
Maybe German cars have good perceived reliability in Europe because they also get British, French, Italian, Eastern European, Indian, and Chinese cars in Europe as well.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 29, 2017, 06:13:38 PM
I know, but here in Europe they have a great reputation for quality and reliability. They're often above VW and Seat!
It's weird since they're literally the same cars. Same engines, transmissions, electronics etc.
Europeans drive less, have stricter inspections, and a generally higher appetite for problems. You think your BMW is reliable; over here we would call a car that chewed through several injectors before 100k km poorly designed and unreliable.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 29, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
Prognosis:
Dead starter
Also, leaking vacuum pump (common problem, oil leak, why does it need a vacuum pump???), torn CV joints (I knew they weren't in great shape but they weren't clicking), needs belts and possibly an idler pulley, as well as brakes (which I knew and have sitting in the garage) and tires soon (also knew)
VW dealer wants 3Gs.... fuck that. I called up an independent shop and their price to replace the starter was half the price. Just have to get it towed over
$1500 JUST TO REPLACE THE STARTER????????
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 30, 2017, 06:30:43 AM
Europeans drive less, have stricter inspections, and a generally higher appetite for problems. You think your BMW is reliable; over here we would call a car that chewed through several injectors before 100k km poorly designed and unreliable.
My car had
ignition coil issues, not injector problems. BMW issued a recall, replaced all four ignition coils free-of-charge and ever since zero issues.
The car is also 10 years old and out of warranty. Driven daily, driven hard and fast on the Autobahns and is holding up well.
Rode in a buddy's Toyota Auris Hatch last year. It might be more reliable overall, but it felt flimsy on the highway and built-to-a-price, and it certainly won't be as fun to drive as the 1er.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 29, 2017, 06:13:38 PM
I know, but here in Europe they have a great reputation for quality and reliability. They're often above VW and Seat!
It's weird since they're literally the same cars. Same engines, transmissions, electronics etc.
But often one generation older, right? More time to work out bugs? And maybe because they're a lower-end brand, maybe some of the complexities are stripped back out?
Quote from: ifcar on March 30, 2017, 08:01:55 AM
But often one generation older, right? More time to work out bugs? And maybe because they're a lower-end brand, maybe some of the complexities are stripped back out?
No idea to be honest. Skoda's come pretty well-equipped but at a cheaper price than a VW with the same platform. Skoda is VWAGs value brand after all.
Skodas with DSG transmissions did and do suffer from the known DSG issues.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 30, 2017, 08:03:32 AM
No idea to be honest. Skoda's come pretty well-equipped but at a cheaper price than a VW with the same platform. Skoda is VWAGs value brand after all.
Skodas with DSG transmissions did and do suffer from the known DSG issues.
I thought real Europeans shifted their own gears. Lazy bastards deserved that!
Quote from: ifcar on March 30, 2017, 08:16:54 AM
I thought real Europeans shifted their own gears. Lazy bastards deserved that!
They used to be. Manuals are still popular here, but more and more people are opting for automated transmissions in cars which used to be predominantly manual; BMW 3er, VW Passat etc.
My generation BMW 1-Series is still a common sight on the roads. Whenever I walk past one in the city I look inside to see the transmission. The overwhelming majority have a manual transmission. But on the newer, current 1-Series I get a 50-50 impression: 50% manuals, 50% automatics. This is just an observation on my part. ;)
Quote from: ifcar on March 30, 2017, 08:01:55 AM
But often one generation older, right? More time to work out bugs? And maybe because they're a lower-end brand, maybe some of the complexities are stripped back out?
Maybe a year older, not a full generation though. Some models, maybe. Some are also different from the Volkswagen models, like the Superb being modified from the Passat with a longer wheelbase and stuff.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 30, 2017, 06:58:47 AM
Naw like 700
???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it easy to get to? You might can do it yourself...
The $200 in labor the other shop is charging is worth it to me. Plus since it's the starter I would have to do it in a parking lot with hand tools. No thanks. Waiting to hear what the estimate is but I feel like getting everything done will be about $1000-1200 which is reasonable given that we've had no repairs in 4 years.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 01, 2017, 10:11:14 AM
Waiting to hear what the estimate is but I feel like getting everything done will be about $1000-1200 which is reasonable given that we've had no repairs in 4 years.
That's not bad at all!! That's like $30/month... (not bothering to do the right maths)
Repairs came out to more like $1500.... and I had to do the vacuum pump delete and brakes on my own. Car is running 99%. Just needs a brake flush and rear pads.
I read that as "brakes delete" and I was super confused.
Lol no I love my wife. I probably did ~100 miles of testing to make sure shit was on the up and up before handing it back to her.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on March 30, 2017, 07:55:32 AM
My car had ignition coil issues, not injector problems. BMW issued a recall, replaced all four ignition coils free-of-charge and ever since zero issues.
The car is also 10 years old and out of warranty. Driven daily, driven hard and fast on the Autobahns and is holding up well.
Rode in a buddy's Toyota Auris Hatch last year. It might be more reliable overall, but it felt flimsy on the highway and built-to-a-price, and it certainly won't be as fun to drive as the 1er.
No matter what we tell people here the actual BMW ownership experience is, they'll keep being super afraid of it while spending craploads of money maintaining "reliable" brands.
Sporty here has probably spent more on his cars this past year than me.
There's MrH's lemoned Genesis too. But whatever, BMWs ARE a TICKING BOMB. Impossible to afford.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 13, 2017, 04:40:48 PM
No matter what we tell people here the actual BMW ownership experience is, they'll keep being super afraid of it while spending craploads of money maintaining "reliable" brands.
Sporty here has probably spent more on his cars this past year than me.
There's MrH's lemoned Genesis too. But whatever, BMWs ARE a TICKING BOMB. Impossible to afford.
Anecdotes = useless. I am an extreme use case. I am like Sid from Toy Story. You cannot use me as an indicator of the typical Honda ownership experience.
Plus Wimmer had some pretty extreme and expensive repairs very early in the mileage cycle that had nothing to do with his usage. You seem to have forgot about your M5's gearbox pump, which was also not user error. And then there is shit like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5QE-X1EmM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWxdaEJMTwU&t=1214s
I mean Honda has been making 100HP/L 8000 RPM engines since 1989 in cars ~1/5th the price with none of these problems. These are design issues, not user error or w/e. The repair I just did on the VW involved replacing a vacuum pump the car didn't need in the first place that wound up leaking oil with a metal plate and a tube. German auto makers just don't make great design decisions a lot of the time, and their customers wind up paying for it.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 13, 2017, 04:40:48 PM
No matter what we tell people here the actual BMW ownership experience is, they'll keep being super afraid of it while spending craploads of money maintaining "reliable" brands.
Sporty here has probably spent more on his cars this past year than me.
There's MrH's lemoned Genesis too. But whatever, BMWs ARE a TICKING BOMB. Impossible to afford.
Have you priced out BMW parts versus Honda parts in the US?
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 13, 2017, 05:00:48 PM
Anecdotes = useless. I am an extreme use case. I am like Sid from Toy Story. You cannot use me as an indicator of the typical Honda ownership experience.
Plus Wimmer had some pretty extreme and expensive repairs very early in the mileage cycle that had nothing to do with his usage. You seem to have forgot about your M5's gearbox pump, which was also not user error.
I mean Honda has been making 100HP/L 8000 RPM engines since 1989 in cars ~1/5th the price with none of these problems. These are design issues, not user error or w/e. The repair I just did on the VW involved replacing a vacuum pump the car didn't need in the first place that wound up leaking oil with a metal plate and a tube. German auto makers just don't make great design decisions a lot of the time, and their customers wind up paying for it.
After saying anecdotes are useless you post a few anecdote videos because that's what they are.
I haven't forgot about the M5's issues. I've spent less than 5K on that car over three years. And we'll, it's got a freaking exotic engine comparable to a Lambo/Ferrari engine of its time.
If we cannot use you as a typical owner, we'll, my cars (1M, E46) have spent easily 5-10.000 km each driven on track. I think that's a bit more extreme. And Wimmer's 1er has quite a few miles and gets driven at high speeds on the autobahn frequently. My M5 does too in our Mexican versions of the autobahn.
Every time someone mentions here a BMW as a possibility half the forum glues into panic about how broke the poor guy is going to become. Ludicrous.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 13, 2017, 05:13:19 PM
Have you priced out BMW parts versus Honda parts in the US?
Of course Honda parts would be cheaper. All I'm saying is every time Sporty (as well as many others here) consider a BMW it's OMG impossible. Then they go and buy something else and spend the same or more on maintenance.
All of sporty's woes have been self inflicted.
If he pulled this shit on a BMW it would have been 3x expensive to fix.
If the engine stalls while driving and you deleted the vacuum pump - doesn't that mean you pretty much have not a lot of braking ability?
Quote from: r0tor on April 13, 2017, 05:27:46 PM
If the engine stalls while driving and you deleted the vacuum pump - doesn't that mean you pretty much have not a lot of braking ability?
Maybe the secondary vacuum pump? Many VW's have this to aid startup. It'
Also, Wimmer only has the US equivalent of about 91k miles. On a 2007 model year car, that's considered low miles.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 13, 2017, 04:40:48 PM
No matter what we tell people here the actual BMW ownership experience is, they'll keep being super afraid of it while spending craploads of money maintaining "reliable" brands.
Sporty here has probably spent more on his cars this past year than me.
There's MrH's lemoned Genesis too. But whatever, BMWs ARE a TICKING BOMB. Impossible to afford.
Agreed. I don't expect the BMW to have Toyota-like reliability, but it's not an unreliable car in the sense that there is something wrong with it every week and as a result has to spend time in the shop.
The ignition coil issues early on were solved when BMW finally sent out a recall and replaced them with products from a reliable supplier.
Over the last 70,000 km I've had no reliability issues except a malfunctioning tail light bulb (replaced in less than 10 minutes and all I paid for was the bulb [0.99 Euros]) and a cracked front windshield which had to be replaced for safety reasons.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 13, 2017, 05:00:48 PM
Plus Wimmer had some pretty extreme and expensive repairs very early in the mileage cycle that had nothing to do with his usage.
The car was still under warranty, so I didn't spend any money on replacing the ignition coils.
In fact the most I've spent on "maintenance costs" for the 1er comes in the form of the TÜV and emissions tests (yeah, you have to pay for that crap here) and general scheduled shop visits where oil, brake and power steering fluids are replaced (these fluids need to be replaced every two years for safety reasons).
Another thing which costs more than what I [don't] spend on mechanical maintenance is insurance. By far I spend more per year on insurance costs than on maintenance costs (fuel costs aside).
Also, for a 10-year-old car that gets driven hard on the Autobahn a few times a week she's holding up very well. No rattles or cracks in the interior, the suspension is still top notch etc. This is a good car.
Quote from: r0tor on April 13, 2017, 05:27:46 PM
If the engine stalls while driving and you deleted the vacuum pump - doesn't that mean you pretty much have not a lot of braking ability?
It doesn't hold enough vacuum on its own like all other cars without vacuum pumps?
Quote from: 2o6 on April 13, 2017, 05:28:56 PM
Maybe the secondary vacuum pump? Many VW's have this to aid startup. It'
What nonsenseness is this?
Are you talking about the smog pump?
Quote from: 2o6 on April 13, 2017, 05:33:18 PM
Also, Wimmer only has the US equivalent of about 91k miles. On a 2007 model year car, that's considered low miles.
Mileage aside, age is also a factor in car reliability, is it not?
All we hear is that German cars are designed to self-destruct after 3 years. ;)
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 13, 2017, 05:20:11 PM
After saying anecdotes are useless you post a few anecdote videos because that's what they are.
I haven't forgot about the M5's issues. I've spent less than 5K on that car over three years. And we'll, it's got a freaking exotic engine comparable to a Lambo/Ferrari engine of its time.
If we cannot use you as a typical owner, we'll, my cars (1M, E46) have spent easily 5-10.000 km each driven on track. I think that's a bit more extreme. And Wimmer's 1er has quite a few miles and gets driven at high speeds on the autobahn frequently. My M5 does too in our Mexican versions of the autobahn.
Every time someone mentions here a BMW as a possibility half the forum glues into panic about how broke the poor guy is going to become. Ludicrous.
The issues in the videos I posted (E92 rod bearings and throttle actuators- did you watch?) are not anecdotal; they are design issues so prevalent the aftermarket has had to step in to rectify them. And there is nothing inherently exotic about the M5's engine, aside from its cylinder count and displacement. Again, mainstream manufacturers have been putting reliable ~8000 RPM engines in $25K hatchbacks for nearly as long as the M5 has been around. You look at most of BMW's engines since the 90s or so, most of them have had major design issues.
The only one who goes into a panic when a BMW purchase is brought up is you; you seem to take anything negative said about modern BMWs, no matter how true/widespread/evidence based it is, as some kind of personal attack. They are great cars but they have issues. And more importantly they are just cars man, it's not that serious.
Quote from: r0tor on April 13, 2017, 05:27:46 PM
If the engine stalls while driving and you deleted the vacuum pump - doesn't that mean you pretty much have not a lot of braking ability?
:confused:
Where did I say anything about the VW stalling? And the brakes work fine, like I said I drove it for about 100 miles after I did the "mod". People do this mod on the 2.5s all the time.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 13, 2017, 05:49:32 PM
:confused:
Where did I say anything about the VW stalling? And the brakes work fine, like I said I drove it for about 100 miles after I did the "mod". People do this mod on the 2.5s all the time.
I think it was an "if" question. And it looks like the answer is "no." You should get three or four full stops with the remaining vacuum assist even with the engine off. Just like most every other car.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 13, 2017, 05:46:52 PM
And there is nothing inherently exotic about the M5's engine, aside from its cylinder count and displacement. Again, mainstream manufacturers have been putting reliable ~8000 RPM engines in $25K hatchbacks for nearly as long as the M5 has been around.
The only one who goes into a panic when a BMW purchase is brought up is you; you seem to take anything negative said about modern BMWs, no matter how true/widespread/evidence based it is, as some kind of personal attack. They are great cars but they have issues. And more importantly they are just cars man, it's not that serious.
Ooooooooooo...keeeeeeey about the M5's engine. That'd be a great quote for my sig.
It's just the level of fear about BMW maintenance around here that is laughable.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 13, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
It doesn't hold enough vacuum on its own like all other cars without vacuum pumps?
I dont know - what position is the throttle and transmission in? why does it exist in the first place?
Quote from: r0tor on April 13, 2017, 05:56:02 PM
I dont know - what position is the throttle and transmission in? why does it exist in the first place?
Why does it exist? I can only assume there may be certain times when the engine doesn't pull quote enough vacuum, and VW went overboard. The pump is run off of a cam gear (another WTF), so it won't provide any functionality with the engine off anyways.
What would throttle position and transmission have to do with it when the engine is stalled?
Quote from: r0tor on April 13, 2017, 05:56:02 PM
I dont know - what position is the throttle and transmission in? why does it exist in the first place?
It seems like it's a holdover from VW's turbo cars. Those need a vacuum pump. I think VW forgot NA engines pull enough vacuum on their own. Stupid extra failure point for no reason.... typical German design.
Plus keep in mind my wife drives the Rabbit and it still had all those issues. Axles? You guys know how I drive and my axles are pristine. Belts/tensioner? Really? It's all stuff that has no business failing when used by a sane and normal human being.
I bought my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 used with 59k miles. Did some needed maintenance work on it, then drove it another 45k miles. No repairs were needed in the time I've had it.
I figure it's got at least another 100k of good miles in it.
Quote from: shp4man on April 14, 2017, 08:00:50 AM
I bought my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 used with 59k miles. Did some needed maintenance work on it, then drove it another 45k miles. No repairs were needed in the time I've had it.
I figure it's got at least another 100k of good miles in it.
I think the saying "drives like a mechanic" applies in this case.
To be fair, I think a BMW product holds up far better than an Audi/VW one, or even a Mercedes.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 14, 2017, 08:42:43 AM
To be fair, I think a BMW product holds up far better than an Audi/VW one, or even a Mercedes.
It's debatable. They all have pretty ridiculous design issues. Shit like suspension bushings that only last 50K miles.... just doesn't make sense.
VW frustrates me the most. They perfected simplicity in the real Beetle. It kept them alive for 30 years. The original Rabbit and its offshoots showed them the same thing.
Modern VWs are the antithesis of those cars from a complexity/elegance perspective.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 14, 2017, 08:50:39 AM
It's debatable. They all have pretty ridiculous design issues. Shit like suspension bushings that only last 50K miles.... just doesn't make sense.
They also tend to consume coolant and oil under normal use, for seemingly no reason at all.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 14, 2017, 08:50:39 AM
It's debatable. They all have pretty ridiculous design issues. Shit like suspension bushings that only last 50K miles.... just doesn't make sense.
Not just that, they use internal specs rather than widely recognised industry standards for stuff like oil. Everyone but the Germans specs SAE oil standards, why the hell do I need to find oil per VW specification XYZ123.45Q?
Yea the oil thing is stupid too. Thankfully there are some mainstream oils that fit their spec. I can still get an oil change for the Rabbit at Walmart.
Speaking of which, the 2.5 takes 6 quarts (!!!!). Civic takes 4, G freaking 37 takes 5. Maybe they have extra capacity for whatever it's gonna burn off :lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on April 14, 2017, 08:42:43 AM
To be fair, I think a BMW product holds up far better than an Audi/VW one, or even a Mercedes.
I have little experience with other brands. Monika had a Beetle for a while. That held up well and I liked it but it didn't have many miles.
I really like how my E46 has held up. I am even taking it later to Leon to join the family there. The E90 I had (and that my friend wants to sell back to me) hasn't held up in the same way with now similar mileage on both. The E46 interior is of better quality for sure.
I think a good indicator for reliability in luxury cars is what people choose for Uber black cars. Around here it's mostly Acuras and huge American SUVs. You sometimes get a Merc/Audi/BMW/Infinity but it's pretty rare.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 14, 2017, 10:20:19 AM
I have little experience with other brands. Monika had a Beetle for a while. That held up well and I liked it but it didn't have many miles.
I really like how my E46 has held up. I am even taking it later to Leon to join the family there. The E90 I had (and that my friend wants to sell back to me) hasn't held up in the same way with now similar mileage on both. The E46 interior is of better quality for sure.
I think a good indicator for reliability in luxury cars is what people choose for Uber black cars. Around here it's mostly Acuras and huge American SUVs. You sometimes get a Merc/Audi/BMW/Infinity but it's pretty rare.
Acuras are OK, but I don't trust anything with a V6 automatic Honda. Honda was making garbage V6 + AT combos for years.
Uber Black here gravitates towards Lincolns, namely the MKS and MKT.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 14, 2017, 10:20:19 AM
I have little experience with other brands. Monika had a Beetle for a while. That held up well and I liked it but it didn't have many miles.
I really like how my E46 has held up. I am even taking it later to Leon to join the family there. The E90 I had (and that my friend wants to sell back to me) hasn't held up in the same way with now similar mileage on both. The E46 interior is of better quality for sure.
I think a good indicator for reliability in luxury cars is what people choose for Uber black cars. Around here it's mostly Acuras and huge American SUVs. You sometimes get a Merc/Audi/BMW/Infinity but it's pretty rare.
Yeah, but E46's still have weird design issues like the rear subframe tearing... My friend had to spend $$$ to get his welded up so it wouldn't fail.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on April 14, 2017, 10:32:28 AM
Yeah, but E46's still have weird design issues like the rear subframe tearing... My friend had to spend $$$ to get his welded up so it wouldn't fail.
Yeah almost forgot about that. I've seen that on those more than once.
Also, VANOS failure is not uncommon on BMW cars.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on April 14, 2017, 10:32:28 AM
Yeah, but E46's still have weird design issues like the rear subframe tearing... My friend had to spend $$$ to get his welded up so it wouldn't fail.
That is true. Mine has held up so far.
Just cracks me up that BMW/MB are "luxury" here but run of the mill cars in Germany.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 14, 2017, 10:34:07 AM
Yeah almost forgot about that. I've seen that on those more than once.
Also, VANOS failure is not uncommon on BMW cars.
Varies by specific engine. The S54 is pretty solid.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on April 14, 2017, 10:34:54 AM
Just cracks me up that BMW/MB are "luxury" here but run of the mill cars in Germany.
Is that even true? That seems more like a myth that people like repeating. Just quick search shows that they're still more expensive than the average car, even if they come with smaller engines and less options.
Quick search shows the 1-series (116i) starts at 6,000EUR more than a base Golf, and it comes with less options, and less space.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 14, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
Yea the oil thing is stupid too. Thankfully there are some mainstream oils that fit their spec. I can still get an oil change for the Rabbit at Walmart.
Speaking of which, the 2.5 takes 6 quarts (!!!!). Civic takes 4, G freaking 37 takes 5. Maybe they have extra capacity for whatever it's gonna burn off :lol:
German cars have typically had bigger oil sumps; I always assumed for high speed cruising purposes. Some of the older Audis took 11 or 12 quarts.
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Quote from: AutobahnSHO on April 14, 2017, 10:34:54 AM
Just cracks me up that BMW/MB are "luxury" here but run of the mill cars in Germany.
I think they're luxury there too. Just available with smaller engines and less standard equipment. They definitely are more expensive than mainstream brands over there too.
Germany has a very high per capita income, a less extreme income distribution and of course national pride. All that makes them buy a lot of domestics IMO.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 14, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
Yea the oil thing is stupid too. Thankfully there are some mainstream oils that fit their spec. I can still get an oil change for the Rabbit at Walmart.
Speaking of which, the 2.5 takes 6 quarts (!!!!). Civic takes 4, G freaking 37 takes 5. Maybe they have extra capacity for whatever it's gonna burn off :lol:
I don't think oil capacity is that related to engine capacity. My 2.0L engine also used 6 quarts. IIRC the 3.0L V6 in my Audi also used 6 quarts.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 14, 2017, 10:38:12 AM
German cars have typically had bigger oil sumps; I always assumed for high speed cruising purposes. Some of the older Audis took 11 or 12 quarts.
12 quarts! JFC man.
I feel like the Germans just got so used to huge oil capacity in the air cooled days that they forgot that water cooled engines only need half as much.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 14, 2017, 11:50:49 AM
I feel like the Germans just got so used to huge oil capacity in the air cooled days that they forgot that water cooled engines only need half as much.
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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 14, 2017, 08:50:39 AM
It's debatable. They all have pretty ridiculous design issues. Shit like suspension bushings that only last 50K miles.... just doesn't make sense.
On which brands?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 14, 2017, 11:50:49 AM
I feel like the Germans just got so used to huge oil capacity in the air cooled days that they forgot that water cooled engines only need half as much.
Autobahn speeds require more cooling capacity. Vehicles designed for use in countries with lower speed limits tend to overheat in sustained 100 mph speeds. Like a lot of American cars from the 70s and 80s (those that would do 100+).
Oil is also used to transport heat away from the engine and this is most definitely a feature on virtually all German cars.
One word: Autobahn.
If you've ever blasted down one at high speed for hours at a time and then pop the hood, you'll literally feel really hot air escaping the compartment. I'm talking really, really, really, really hot air. This is a subjective opinion, but when you're cruising at low speed or doing city driving and then pop the hood the escaping air doesn't feel as hot after a long high speed Autobahn cruise. So just imagine the cooling requirements for the engine.
I think on some German cars the large engine oil reserves are even used to cool the transmission.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 14, 2017, 10:38:11 AM
Is that even true? That seems more like a myth that people like repeating. Just quick search shows that they're still more expensive than the average car, even if they come with smaller engines and less options.
Quick search shows the 1-series (116i) starts at 6,000EUR more than a base Golf, and it comes with less options, and less space.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 14, 2017, 10:39:38 AM
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I think they're luxury there too. Just available with smaller engines and less standard equipment. They definitely are more expensive than mainstream brands over there too.
Germany has a very high per capita income, a less extreme income distribution and of course national pride. All that makes them buy a lot of domestics IMO.
BMW are used as police cars. MB are used as taxis. Not luxury at all.
Of course when I left (2005) you could still buy most of them with manual windows.
Yes they're expensive than smaller cars- but you're also talking about Fusions vs. Fiestas in size sometimes.
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As far as reliability, sure parts here are expensive, they have a lot of features which are costly to repair, but a friend let me drive their 20yr old 3-series (manual) that had 500,000+ km on the odometer.
An engine is actually really likely to over heat in crawling, stop-and-go traffic as well. My motorcycle gets hottest crawling through urban stop-and-go (cooling fans run almost constantly and water temps over 200F). Sailing along at 70+, the fans never turn on and water temp is like 175.
Naw, the 1, 3, and 5 series cars are more expensive than the C, D and E segment cars from "regular" makes from Opel, Ford and VW. A 316i is still more expensive than a base Mondeo or Passat, but it's Golf Sized.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 14, 2017, 01:24:46 PM
On which brands?
All of them. It does seem they've got their act together with the current crop but time will tell
Quote from: MX793 on April 14, 2017, 01:40:27 PM
An engine is actually really likely to over heat in crawling, stop-and-go traffic as well. My motorcycle gets hottest crawling through urban stop-and-go (cooling fans run almost constantly and water temps over 200F). Sailing along at 70+, the fans never turn on and water temp is like 175.
I can imagine.
But all I'm saying is when you're flat-out speeding on the
Autobahn]/i] for hours straight and then pop the hood, you'll feel some really, really, really hot air escaping. Place your hand near the engine and you'll feel some serious heat (hotter than what you'd normally feel after a normal drive). It's difficult to describe, but when you experience it you'll understand.
Or - buy a '76 Plymouth Volare for $100, max it out in Montana and then when it overheats pop the hood and feel the heat. :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 14, 2017, 02:15:53 PM
All of them. It does seem they've got their act together with the current crop but time will tell
Got proof?
None of our high mileage German cars has ever needed the suspension bushings replaced (anecdotal evidence, I know, I know...). And here you'd think they'd wear out quicker because of the high speed highways which we have here. And contrary to popular belief, the
Autobahns aren't these smooth roads - they are in desperate need of repair because many sections have asphalt breaking off and smaller potholes. Imagine the stress on the car and the suspension when you drive on such surfaces at high speed; daily, weekly, monthly and yearly.
We had a 1992 Mitsubishi Galant GTI which needed an entire shock absorber replacement on all four wheels at 68,000 km. Damn, do Japanese cars (all of them) suck or what!? :devil:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 15, 2017, 04:15:45 AM
Got proof?
None of our high mileage German cars has ever needed the suspension bushings replaced (anecdotal evidence, I know, I know...). And here you'd think they'd wear out quicker because of the high speed highways which we have here. And contrary to popular belief, the Autobahns aren't these smooth roads - they are in desperate need of repair because many sections have asphalt breaking off and smaller potholes. Imagine the stress on the car and the suspension when you drive on such surfaces at high speed; daily, weekly, monthly and yearly.
We had a 1992 Mitsubishi Galant GTI which needed an entire shock absorber replacement on all four wheels at 68,000 km. Damn, do Japanese cars (all of them) suck or what!? :devil:
Well, I've driven several medium mileage German cars that needed bushings replaced. The E60 535i Sport I drove needed them, I could feel and hear it. Aside from tie rods I don't think I've ever had to replace bushings on any of the 7 Japanese cars I've owned, and most of them were in rough ass NYC where the roads are horrible.
Overarching and more important point is that German cars are less durable and German automakers make strange and poor design decisions more often than not.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 15, 2017, 04:15:45 AM
Got proof?
None of our high mileage German cars has ever needed the suspension bushings replaced (anecdotal evidence, I know, I know...). And here you'd think they'd wear out quicker because of the high speed highways which we have here. And contrary to popular belief, the Autobahns aren't these smooth roads - they are in desperate need of repair because many sections have asphalt breaking off and smaller potholes. Imagine the stress on the car and the suspension when you drive on such surfaces at high speed; daily, weekly, monthly and yearly.
We had a 1992 Mitsubishi Galant GTI which needed an entire shock absorber replacement on all four wheels at 68,000 km. Damn, do Japanese cars (all of them) suck or what!? :devil:
The autobahns are nothing compared to the LIE. There are holes on that road that will shatter rims.
And Mitsubishi is, or was, the Chrysler of the major Japanese manufacturers. Not surprisingly, Chrysler owned a huge chunk of Mitsu in the 80s and early 90s and the two shared components heavily.
Autobahn was way better kept than roads here. Even secondary highways in Germany were kept very well.
I still think we should pull together a GoFundMe to pay for Wimmer to spend a week in America driving some of his beloved Detroit Iron. If we can find a running one I'd like to put him in a de Ville with the V8-6-4.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 15, 2017, 04:26:39 PM
I still think we should pull together a GoFundMe to pay for Wimmer to spend a week in America driving some of his beloved Detroit Iron. If we can find a running one I'd like to put him in a de Ville with the V8-6-4.
I've got that covered, although I don't believe it'll stay running on four cylinders. The owner was working on that last I talked to him. Between the wagon club, the concourse d'lemons, and the military vehicle club I think I could provide an entertaining day or two for him.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 15, 2017, 04:26:39 PM
I still think we should pull together a GoFundMe to pay for Wimmer to spend a week in America driving some of his beloved Detroit Iron. If we can find a running one I'd like to put him in a de Ville with the V8-6-4.
:lol:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on April 15, 2017, 08:36:05 PM
:lol:
With the prices on some of the stuff he likes we could probably gift him a car. It would be about $10 per spinner.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 15, 2017, 08:44:32 PM
With the prices on some of the stuff he likes we could probably gift him a car. It would be about $10 per spinner.
And he could use it to sail back home after!
Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 15, 2017, 09:15:12 PM
And he could use it to sail back home after!
Seawater would chew through that thing in a NY minute
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 15, 2017, 04:26:39 PM
I still think we should pull together a GoFundMe to pay for Wimmer to spend a week in America driving some of his beloved Detroit Iron. If we can find a running one I'd like to put him in a de Ville with the V8-6-4.
Please do! Here's my list of cars I want to drive.
1972 Lincoln Continental Mark IV
1972 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Wagon
1974 Dodge Monaco
1976 Plymouth Volare / Dodge Aspen
1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Diesel (Yep, that famous 350cid V8 Diesel!)
1979 Chevrolet Caprice Classic
1980 Chevrolet Citation (Just to see if it really was
that horrible! :lol: )
1981 Ford LTD
Purchasing all of these for my driving pleasure would amount to what? $500,- max? :devil:
Thanks!
X bodies weren't bad cars, they just didn't stay together very well. Development was rushed.
When GM revised it as the A body (Celebrity, et al) it was a lot better made. Those cars weren't bad, just unremarkable, and went on for far too long. By the Cutlass Ciera's death in 1996, it was horribly dated.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 16, 2017, 09:38:07 AM
X bodies weren't bad cars, they just didn't stay together very well. Development was rushed.
When GM revised it as the A body (Celebrity, et al) it was a lot better made. Those cars weren't bad, just unremarkable, and went on for far too long. By the Cutlass Ciera's death in 1996, it was horribly dated.
I kind of like the Citation from a design point of view. I can imagine back then it wasn't a bad-looking car at all, and it does appear to be very spacious even when compared to those '60s and '70s behemoth sedans.
There was an article on
The Truth About Cars about the Citation and there's something like 200 comments there from people who owned one (or whose families did). Not a single positive comment. :lol:
Here it is: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/curbside-classic-1980-chevrolet-citation-gms-deadliest-sin-ever/
Back in the day I thought the Citation X-11 with the hi po V6 was a very cool car.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 16, 2017, 10:17:25 AM
Back in the day I thought the Citation X-11 with the hi po V6 was a very cool car.
It does look kind of cool. If you're an '80s kid like me you grew up seeing these things in movies and thought to yourself,
"Damn, that looks nerdy and cool!"These days I know better. I know that a lot of the '70s and '80s American cars I lust after are not the best from a quality POV, but they look so damn good. :wub:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 16, 2017, 04:42:03 AM
Please do! Here's my list of cars I want to drive.
1972 Lincoln Continental Mark IV
1972 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Wagon
1974 Dodge Monaco
1976 Plymouth Volare / Dodge Aspen
1978 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Diesel (Yep, that famous 350cid V8 Diesel!)
1979 Chevrolet Caprice Classic
1980 Chevrolet Citation (Just to see if it really was that horrible! :lol: )
1981 Ford LTD
Purchasing all of these for my driving pleasure would amount to what? $500,- max? :devil:
Thanks!
10 years ago this would have been closer to the truth.
Today, nice examples of any one of those could easily be $10,000. The wagon and the Lincoln would be closer to 20.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 16, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
10 years ago this would have been closer to the truth.
Today, nice examples of any one of those could easily be $10,000. The wagon and the Lincoln would be closer to 20.
$10K for a Dodge Aspen????
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 16, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
10 years ago this would have been closer to the truth.
Today, nice examples of any one of those could easily be $10,000. The wagon and the Lincoln would be closer to 20.
Yeah, I figured those must cost an arm and a leg now in great condition.
But a rusty yet drivable Citation or Volare is like what? $100,- tops? :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 16, 2017, 11:30:57 AM
$10K for a Dodge Aspen????
In good condition in a "desirable" package like a two door rally coupe? Easy. Here's a run of the mill Volare of the same age in fair condition for 6 grand.
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/plymouth/volare/1866059.html
A couple here:
http://www.fossilcars.com/carsforsale/dodge-aspen.html
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 16, 2017, 11:32:41 AM
Yeah, I figured those must cost an arm and a leg now in great condition.
But a rusty yet drivable Citation or Volare is like what? $100,- tops? :lol:
You're looking at at least $500 for something you could drive. Note: your Teutonic idea of what is drivable may be challenged at this price point.
Damn. :wub:
(https://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/56112277-770-0@2X.jpg?rev=1)
How many children were conceived on that fine almost-Corinthian leather during this car's lifetime? :rockon:
(https://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/56112280-770-0@2X.jpg?rev=1)
Quote from: cawimmer430 on April 16, 2017, 12:33:02 PM
Damn. :wub:
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How many children were conceived on that fine almost-Corinthian leather during this car's lifetime? :rockon:
(https://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/56112280-770-0@2X.jpg?rev=1)
Focusing on that specifically is a little bit......Well....Normal for you I guess.
:evildude:
Lol man. That's not faux-Corinthian leather. That's Genuine ass and thigh heat fusion vinyl. That shit could leave scars if the trifecta of short shorts, hot sunny days, and that material ever combined.
And they did.
And those motherfucking metal seat belt buckles will melt flesh!
Wonder if these had the "Decapitate-A-Kid" power window switches. That might have been a luxury reserved for Chryslers
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 16, 2017, 04:19:35 PM
Focusing on that specifically is a little bit......Well....Normal for you I guess.
That's what I associate '70s cars with: sex and drugs. :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 16, 2017, 05:13:25 PM
Lol man. That's not faux-Corinthian leather. That's Genuine ass and thigh heat fusion vinyl. That shit could leave scars if the trifecta of short shorts, hot sunny days, and that material ever combined.
And they did.
In other words that leather can make a man out of a boy because of scarring. Sounds brutal. :lol:
Vinyl. It's a thick vinyl that doesn't breathe at all and clings to skin.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 17, 2017, 11:10:14 AM
Vinyl. It's a thick vinyl that doesn't breathe at all and clings to skin.
I think the BDSM community likes that. :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 17, 2017, 11:10:14 AM
Vinyl. It's a thick vinyl that doesn't breathe at all and clings to skin.
Cling might be an understatement. The adhesion on bare skin when hot rivaled duct tape.
Quote from: 93JC on April 16, 2017, 10:40:38 PM
And those motherfucking metal seat belt buckles will melt flesh!
I remember having a mirrored "GM" branded onto my hand, like that guy from Raiders of the Lost Ark, every summer from those things.
Quote from: MX793 on April 17, 2017, 11:12:50 AM
The adhesion on bare skin when hot rivaled duct tape.
:lol:
Quote from: MX793 on April 17, 2017, 11:15:08 AM
I remember having a mirrored "GM" branded onto my hand, like that guy from Raiders of the Lost Ark, every summer from those things.
:lol: :lol: I thought of that when I posted the remark. There must be thousands of people out there with "the Mark of Excellence" seared into their flesh.
Oh so many childhood memories...
Quote from: 93JC on April 17, 2017, 12:03:13 PM
:lol: :lol: I thought of that when I posted the remark. There must be thousands of people out there with "the Mark of Excellence" seared into their flesh.
Our POS 1977 Pontiac Grand Safari had that shit. Those fucking chrome belt buckles, ughhhhh.
Quote from: 93JC on April 17, 2017, 12:03:13 PM
There must be thousands of people out there with "the Mark of Excellence" seared into their flesh.
:lol:
Quote from: Laconian on April 17, 2017, 12:12:56 PM
Our POS 1977 Pontiac Grand Safari had that shit. Those fucking chrome belt buckles, ughhhhh.
I'd forgive the car because it makes up for it by looking so damn good! :wub:
(http://momentcar.com/images/pontiac-grand-safari-11.jpg)
I guess I got lucky my parents were into tacky and horrible looking seat covers in the 80's
Quote from: r0tor on April 17, 2017, 12:25:49 PM
I guess I got lucky my parents were into tacky and horrible looking seat covers in the 80's
My grandpa always used old horse blankets. Usually the ones that weren't good enough for the horse.
I think I remember a cross between tweed and beads on my dad's F150 seat covers
And even if you remembered to pull the back of your shorts down and use your shirt as a makeshift mitten to close the buckle, you were still screwed when your knee bumped into the $&@%!#* steel ashtray they put right where a knee naturally goes. :rage:
But the WORST was when you remembered to be careful, took all the right countermeasures, but made it MORE painful: you pull your shorts down to cover your thighs but it gets the small of your back, your shirt mittens slip off the buckle and it hits you on the stomach, etc...
Quote from: MX793 on April 17, 2017, 11:12:50 AM
Cling might be an understatement. The adhesion on bare skin when hot rivaled duct tape.
Quote from: 93JC on April 16, 2017, 10:40:38 PM
And those motherfucking metal seat belt buckles will melt flesh!
Quote from: Soup DeVille on April 16, 2017, 05:13:25 PM
Lol man. That's not faux-Corinthian leather. That's Genuine ass and thigh heat fusion vinyl. That shit could leave scars if the trifecta of short shorts, hot sunny days, and that material ever combined.
And they did.
:clap:
How about the 8-track decks that would eat your hand if you stuck it in? Gawd those cars sucked for kids
Quote from: Laconian on April 17, 2017, 04:57:23 PM
How about the 8-track decks that would eat your hand if you stuck it in? Gawd those cars sucked for kids
Kids were expected to watch their asses or die. Like the seats that would chop your toes off in two-doors, or the fact there were working cigarette lighters in the back.
The owner's manual in my Cadillac literally states "if your child insists on standing, they should do so only in the rear seats."
:clap:
My dad's Corvette, a convertible with a black interior, has those seatbelt buckles. YOWZA that shit hurts
Quote from: 68_427 on April 18, 2017, 12:39:13 AM
My dad's Corvette, a convertible with a black interior, has those seatbelt buckles. YOWZA that shit hurts
:lol:
Aw c'mon. Nobody actually wore those belts back then. :lol:
Forget Darwinism. "Domesticism" seems to be a more effective means of population control
So after ALL THAT FUCKING WORK my father in law, who has the Rabbit while we're here in Israel, gets rear ended :facepalm:
Still haven't seen the pics, so I assume it's totalled :facepalm:
We were planning to sell them the Rabbit as well, I did all that work for them :facepalm:
THAT SUCKS.....
Wow. Shitty chain of events in sportyland. :(
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 25, 2017, 11:51:36 PM
So after ALL THAT FUCKING WORK my father in law, who has the Rabbit while we're here in Israel, gets rear ended :facepalm:
Still haven't seen the pics, so I assume it's totalled :facepalm:
We were planning to sell them the Rabbit as well, I did all that work for them :facepalm:
Ouch. Hopefully you can show the receipts for the recent work to the insurance to demonstrate that the car was in great shape.
:'-(
Quote from: ifcar on April 26, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
Ouch. Hopefully you can show the receipts for the recent work to the insurance to demonstrate that the car was in great shape.
They're probably gonna give me like $100 more than a scrap yard would so I'm not optimistic. I'm just hoping it's not bad. It was a low speed thing coming out of an office complex so hopefully it just needs a new bumper and maybe a new hatch. Good thing is it should all be through his insurance so our rates shouldn't go up. Other guy, who is the SFIL's coworker, did not have insurance though :facepalm:
I just totally do not understand people who drive without insurance.
How do people drive without insurance? Here you can't register a car and get a licence plate without proof of insurance.
Quote from: 93JC on April 27, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
How do people drive without insurance? Here you can't register a car and get a licence plate without proof of insurance.
Most states require you carry either traditional insurance or an alternate insurance vehicle (like proof of financial responsibility, which is a sort of bond). There's only a couple that require nothing. And all of those that require it require proof of insurance to register a vehicle. That said, I think most of those without it had it when they got their plates and then either let it lapse or cancelled it. I know that here, if you let your insurance lapse, the DMV suspends your registration and if you don't either turn in your plates or show proof of new insurance (and pay a fine for the lapsed period) within a certain period of time, they suspend your license. That said, lots of folks are willing to risk it. Unless cops are randomly running plates, you're unlikely to get caught just for uninsured operation or driving with a suspended registration. It's only when they get pulled over for some other infraction, or in an accident, that it gets caught. For folks too broke to afford insurance, I guess they feel that don't have much to lose if they do cause an accident because you can't get much out of suing somebody who's already broke.
Quote from: 93JC on April 27, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
How do people drive without insurance? Here you can't register a car and get a licence plate without proof of insurance.
You pay for the first month, get your registration, then cancel.
Father in law's coworker, who doesn't have auto insurance, hit him? That totally sucks.
Quote from: MX793 on April 27, 2017, 08:24:28 PM
Most states require you carry either traditional insurance or an alternate insurance vehicle (like proof of financial responsibility, which is a sort of bond). There's only a couple that require nothing. And all of those that require it require proof of insurance to register a vehicle. That said, I think most of those without it had it when they got their plates and then either let it lapse or cancelled it. I know that here, if you let your insurance lapse, the DMV suspends your registration and if you don't either turn in your plates or show proof of new insurance (and pay a fine for the lapsed period) within a certain period of time, they suspend your license. That said, lots of folks are willing to risk it. Unless cops are randomly running plates, you're unlikely to get caught just for uninsured operation or driving with a suspended registration. It's only when they get pulled over for some other infraction, or in an accident, that it gets caught. For folks too broke to afford insurance, I guess they feel that don't have much to lose if they do cause an accident because you can't get much out of suing somebody who's already broke.
And that's why uninsured insurance is the most important coverage
I imagine uninsured motorist coverage functions well now but I know a guy who years ago got hit by an uninsured driver and his insurance company refused to pay for damages because he couldn't prove that the uninsured driver did not pay him out of pocket. It is incredible the games some insurance companies will play to get out of paying for damage.
Quote from: 93JC on April 27, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
How do people drive without insurance? Here you can't register a car and get a licence plate without proof of insurance.
At least in Ontario, when you go to register a car/get plates, they don't run your insurance policy number on the spot. They put it into their system (you need to provide a policy #, I don't think you actually need to even show your pink slip) and take your word for it. Now I assume the policy number does get validated at some point, but I don't think it happens on the spot.
It does seem like the government does run the policy numbers towards the beginning of a calendar year and send out letters to individuals under some circumstances - I don't remember what those reasons were but it was clear the government knew when the policy expired which they could've only known from running the policy number.
My registration always says "insurance verified by Avis"
Utah pays some third party to verify liability coverage.. Serious hassle back when I was registering with them.
Interesting that DMVs can communicate accidents and traffic violations to insurers but insurers can't communicate insurance status back :hmm:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 28, 2017, 05:51:37 PM
Interesting that DMVs can communicate accidents and traffic violations to insurers but insurers can't communicate insurance status back :hmm:
NY tracks it. There was an error in the paperwork when transferring my insurance from my Nissan to my Mazda and about 30 days after I bought the Mazda, I got a letter informing me I'd been without insurance and needed to provide proof of new insurance or have my insurance company send an electronic verification of insurance and pay a fine or they'd suspend my registration and then my license.
Lol, VW gonna VW.
:lol:
Fuck, that was actually pretty funny :lol:
Got the Rabbit back. Not as bad as I thought. Looks like the guy just kissed the side of it and the wheel took the brunt of the impact. *Hopefully* all I have to replace is the rear bumper cover, driver side tail light and the driver side lateral suspension link. The driver's side rear quarter panel is dented as well but it's fine. If we sell to the in laws they will know exactly what the deal is.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 30, 2017, 11:58:38 AM
Got the Rabbit back. Not as bad as I thought. Looks like the guy just kissed the side of it and the wheel took the brunt of the impact. *Hopefully* all I have to replace is the rear bumper cover, driver side tail light and the driver side lateral suspension link. The driver's side rear quarter panel is dented as well but it's fine. If we sell to the in laws they will know exactly what the deal is.
Did you take it to a body shop? Usually any quarter panel damage = totaled.
Quote from: 2o6 on May 01, 2017, 12:42:33 PM
Did you take it to a body shop? Usually any quarter panel damage = totaled.
Quarter panels are not that expensive to replace. Unless the car is only worth a couple grand, it shouldn't total it. Depending on where it is on the panel and how bad, it may be possible to pull the dent without replacing the panel (maybe a little body filler and fresh paint).
Quote from: MX793 on May 01, 2017, 12:47:51 PM
Quarter panels are not that expensive to replace. Unless the car is only worth a couple grand, it shouldn't total it. Depending on where it is on the panel and how bad, it may be possible to pull the dent without replacing the panel (maybe a little body filler and fresh paint).
Isn't it like a 2006? A car this old, it might get totaled
Quote from: 2o6 on May 01, 2017, 12:54:07 PM
Isn't it like a 2006? A car this old, it might get totaled
Depending on mileage and options, it may still be worth 6-7 grand. And depending on the dent, it may be cosmetically repairable (pulled and filled) for much less than a replacement.
Quote from: MX793 on May 01, 2017, 01:01:33 PM
Depending on mileage and options, it may still be worth 6-7 grand. And depending on the dent, it may be cosmetically repairable (pulled and filled) for much less than a replacement.
It's worth more like $3-4K in immaculate condition. It looks like it can be pulled and filled, just not sure it's worth it at this point. My hope and dream is that I will just be able to replace the trailing arm and tail light and have it at least be functional. The cosmetic stuff is whatever. Then if we can get the in laws to buy it we'll be golden. Def gonna force that issue.
Interesting stuff... instead of sending an agent out, they did the estimate by photos I send in. Hope I don't get Farfegnugened again when they say "actually we didn't see this frame damage.... totalled kthbye"
Rabbit = totalled. Not going to bother fixing it.... just take the check and keep moving. Fucking sucks, we literally paid it off maybe a month prior :cry:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 26, 2017, 12:52:13 PM
Rabbit = totalled. Not going to bother fixing it.... just take the check and keep moving. Fucking sucks, we literally paid it off maybe a month prior :cry:
told you :(
Thank God we had insurance. Pro tip, a high deductible makes sense on a more expensive car, but on cheap shit it can make a huge difference. O well. By next Tuesday wifey will be riding high.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 26, 2017, 01:16:59 PM
Thank God we had insurance. Pro tip, a high deductible makes sense on a more expensive car, but on cheap shit it can make a huge difference. O well. By next Tuesday wifey will be riding high.
One thing I noticed on Le Sigh is going from a $500 deductible to $250 was only like $50 every six months. Pretty easy choice imo.
Quote from: Xer0 on May 26, 2017, 01:41:03 PM
One thing I noticed on Le Sigh is going from a $500 deductible to $250 was only like $50 every six months. Pretty easy choice imo.
Wait, which choice did you make? The $500 deductible makes more sense to me.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 26, 2017, 01:16:59 PM
Thank God we had insurance. Pro tip, a high deductible makes sense on a more expensive car, but on cheap shit it can make a huge difference. O well. By next Tuesday wifey will be riding high.
You can't register a car in NC without insurance.
Quote from: Tave on June 07, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
You can't register a car in NC without insurance.
How do they prove it?
Quote from: 2o6 on June 07, 2017, 01:52:56 PM
How do they prove it?
You have to bring your valid insurance slip in with you when you register it at the DMV.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 07, 2017, 01:52:56 PM
How do they prove it?
Seriously? Haven't you worked for a dealer?
Quote from: Tave on June 07, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
You can't register a car in NC without insurance.
Yes, but you can cancel it afterwards and there's general no check on that.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on June 07, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
Yes, but you can cancel it afterwards and there's general no check on that.
Not in NC. Your insurance company will notify DMV of any lapse and it's an automatic $50 penalty, and you have to provide proof of re-insurance or DMV revokes your registration.
Quote from: Tave on June 07, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
You can't register a car in NC without insurance.
All they need is a policy number. CarMax didn't actually check that the MKX was on it- I just remembered to actually add it last night....
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 07, 2017, 02:26:21 PM
All they need is a policy number. CarMax didn't actually check that the MKX was on it- I just remembered to actually add it last night....
You'll probably be OK as they give you a little leeway when you transfer the policy to a new car, but try to remember to notify your insurance company ahead of time on your next purchase, and don't be surprised if you get a lapse notice in the mail.
Quote from: Tave on June 07, 2017, 01:59:55 PM
Seriously? Haven't you worked for a dealer?
The state of Ohio is literally saying "check here if you have insurance".
There's no actual way they hold you to proving if you have insurance.
Utah has some 3rd party which checks and notifies the DMV if you cancel or don't pay.